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I occasionally envy you city-dwelling professionals who live in a child-free bubble.

Camping weekend with 12 first grade girls, three hour drive each way to the cabins. I must have heard the Frozen soundtrack 10+ times in three days. Plus them randomly belting out songs constantly and replaying parts they like again, and again and again...

It's amazing not a single dad's head exploded.
 

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Because every sci fi genre movie that has followed it is based on it...

Really? I can't think of a single good sci-fi movie that's clearly derivative of Star Wars. Which probably has a lot to do with the fact that Star Wars isn't really sci-fi at all, but an agglomeration of monomyth tropes that happens to take place "in a galaxy far far away".

Tolkein's Lord of the Rings basically created the fantasy genre, and virtually every fantasy story since has been heavily influenced by it. Not so with Star Wars. What exactly does the Star Trek franchise, or 2001: A Space Odyssey owe to George Lucas?


I tried watching this to see if they'd offer specific examples of other significant films borrowing from Star Wars, but I couldn't get past the first 5 minutes. Pelosi and Gingrich droning on about what a cultural treasure the franchise is? Gimme a fucking break.

Listen, I loved the original trilogy as a child, and look forward to watching them with my kids once they get a little older (the prequels never happened as far as I'm concerned.) But I'm with Bluto on this one. Star Wars broke new ground regarding special effects and merchandising, but: (1) it didn't create a new genre; (2) there's nothing special about it from a narrative perspective; and (3) it doesn't seem to have had much artistic influence on later films.
 

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Argo. Or at least I don't seem as enthralled with it as others.

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Agree... considering repping

Forrest Gump was grossly overrated, as was Tom Hanks acting in it. Virtually every American can act stupid when called upon to do so (or in many cases act stupider).

Disagree... considering neg repping.
 
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To expand on Whiskeyjack's post above, Lucas is influential, Lucas Films is influential, THX is influential and have mostly been influential through Hollywood and into the general cult of personality. Below is a small image that can be found in greater detail at the below link.

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How Star Wars Changed the World

I see very little influence of the movies on other movies other than special effects and production methods associated with Skywalker Ranch. That being said, Lucas readily admits that Akira Kurosawas films were significantly influential on the Star Wars Episodes IV-VI. And as Whiskeyjack stated, Kurosawa's films are vairous takes on the monomyth theme set in fuedal Japan.

Now there are deep ideas in Star Wars such as the duality theme and also Luke's transition through yin and yang:
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White clothing, innocence, ignorance

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Grey clothing, discovery of feelings, pain (mental and physical), knowledge of loss (mental and physical)

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Acceptance, confidence, masculine, hard soul.

They took some artistic license as white is typically associated with the masculine and yang is black or passive, however he adapted it to fit the story in terms of western understanding of light and dark, good and evil.

This is not exclusive nor proprietary to Star Wars, but oriental culture which Lucas drew upon heavily to tell his story of redemption.
 

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Because every sci fi genre movie that has followed it is based on it, not on the Flash Gordon movie, that was a terrible one-off with awful acting, graphics, everything. If the only contribution that a movie made to popular culture was four syllables "Flash!! Aa-aa", then by definition it was not the archetype or the precursor to an entire genre of films.

But if you honestly think that the ONLY contribution that it made to society was money, you missed the entire point that I was making.

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Mythology in Star Wars

The importance of Star Wars is beyond money, and beyond whether or not your classify it as sci-fi or fantasy, or both.


You do realize that I'm referencing the Flash Gordon Film, story lines and characters that had been around long before Star Wars (Lucas specifically citied this series as a source of inspiration) not the 80's film that came later?
 
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Disagree... considering neg repping.



Stupid is as stupid does.

Not saying it wasn't entertaining, just not worthy of a stack of awards, unless it was a make up Oscar for being snubbed for his work in Bachelor Party (a movie which belongs in the underrated thread).
 

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I disagree with the article. I don't think any of those films are overrated.

As for me, just about any Tarantino movie is overrated, As well as any Kevin Smith movie IMO.
 

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Just watched this today....Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. My god what a snoozefest. Couple cool scenes in the beginning and end but the middle sucks.
 

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You do realize that I'm referencing the Flash Gordon Film, story lines and characters that had been around long before Star Wars (Lucas specifically citied this series as a source of inspiration) not the 80's film that came later?

No, because you never said that. And honestly nobody else would have gotten the reference either. And besides, that was not the only influence that Lucas cited. He also could have cited influences dating back to the Greeks, to be honest. But he read and took to heart the teaching of Joseph Campbell and his book on what is called the hero's journey.

That still does not take away from the fact that Star Wars is undeniably the most important film franchise in the last fifty years, if not of all time.
 

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Just watched this today....Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. My god what a snoozefest. Couple cool scenes in the beginning and end but the middle sucks.

Depends on what you were expecting, honestly. It was not ever billed as anything other than a buddy film or a shoot'em up.

I bet you think that The Sting stunk too.
 

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Depends on what you were expecting, honestly. It was not ever billed as anything other than a buddy film or a shoot'em up.

I bet you think that The Sting stunk too.

It was nominated for an Best Picture...


I loved the Sting which actually had a plot.
 

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The Sting was awesome... especially for it's time.
 

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Hutch Cassidy is one of my alltime favorites. The Sting is terrific. If you tell me Slapshot was overrated I will have a tantrum...
 

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Just watched this today....Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. My god what a snoozefest. Couple cool scenes in the beginning and end but the middle sucks.

I actually agree with this one. Lots of fantastic scenes, but was really overindulgent and needed some editing to cut out around 30 minutes. The bicycle scene, the overly long Mexico montage, and a ton of other stuff was just not necessary to tell the story.
 
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I actually agree with this one. Lots of fantastic scenes, but was really overindulgent and needed some editing to cut out around 30 minutes. The bicycle scene, the overly long Mexico montage, and a ton of other stuff was just not necessary to tell the story.

You're going to like this. I watched Tombstone a couple of years ago for the first time, and it didn't live up to the hype IMO. It was good, not great.
 

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You're going to like this. I watched Tombstone a couple of years ago for the first time, and it didn't live up to the hype IMO. It was good, not great.

I agree more than you 'd think. Tombstone is an above average western with a great character. It does have it's flaws though. The older I get the more I only want to watch the first half of the movie. Once Earp gets his badge the movie just turns into shooting montages for the next 30 minutes and I get bored.
 

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No, because you never said that. And honestly nobody else would have gotten the reference either. And besides, that was not the only influence that Lucas cited. He also could have cited influences dating back to the Greeks, to be honest. But he read and took to heart the teaching of Joseph Campbell and his book on what is called the hero's journey.

That still does not take away from the fact that Star Wars is undeniably the most important film franchise in the last fifty years, if not of all time.

There would be no "summer movies" without Star Wars, at least not the way we know them today. I don't think Star Wars had much influence on the genre in terms of content because as alot of you have said it was basically the retelling of a greek epic, just in space. I do think that overall it made sci-fi much more popular as a genre. So no it doesn't have a direct connection to 2001 but maybe without Star Wars there isn't a market for films like that to be made.
 

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There would be no "summer movies" without Star Wars, at least not the way we know them today. I don't think Star Wars had much influence on the genre in terms of content because as alot of you have said it was basically the retelling of a greek epic, just in space. I do think that overall it made sci-fi much more popular as a genre. So no it doesn't have a direct connection to 2001 but maybe without Star Wars there isn't a market for films like that to be made.

I tend to agree with that, actually.

That is why I think that Star Wars, at least the core of it, stands alone as a movie franchise, because it was able to take epic (as in Greek epics) storytelling and modernize it in ways that really have not been approached by any sci-fi or fantasy movie franchise, to date.
 

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I agree more than you 'd think. Tombstone is an above average western with a great character. It does have it's flaws though. The older I get the more I only want to watch the first half of the movie. Once Earp gets his badge the movie just turns into shooting montages for the next 30 minutes and I get bored.

I happen to think the same thing, although I think that Curly Bill was extremely well played. I just never really noticed it before. Powers Boothe was really good. But yeah, it got really tedious after they shot Curly Bill up until Ringo's demise. Everything else was kinda meh after the train station.
 
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