More Ohio State Trouble

[Ironman8]

HBO will report tonight that Stanley McClover received cash and sexual services while on a recruiting visit to Ohio State. He was committed to OSU for some time, but wound up signing with Auburn in the '03 recruiting class.

HBO report: Buckeyes recruiting target plied with sex

Posted by John Taylor on March 29, 2011, 7:29 PM EDT

Given the self-made pickle Jim Tressel finds himself in, and the basketball team’s loss in the NCAA tournament as a No., 1 seed, it’s not been the best of months for two of the Ohio State University’s flagship athletic programs. And, apparently, the negativity surrounding the school is set to continue.

Wednesday night, the HBO show Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel, a release from the cable network states, departs from its traditional format to present a special hour-long edition dedicated to the state of college sports in America. Basically, the show will delve into the sticky issue of whether college athletes — football players in particular — should be paid, as well as delving “into the controversial and complex subject of premium college-bound athletes receiving benefits that are prohibited by the NCAA.”

Oh, and sex.

The New York Daily News reports that former college football player Stanley McClover will also appear on the show, and reveals that he received not just cash but (gasp!) sexual services during a recruiting visit to Ohio State. McClover ultimately signed with Auburn, so we don’t know if that says more about quality of the school on The Plains or about the quality of the services (allegedly) rendered at the Columbus school.

On a related note, we’re uncertain whether Gary Barnett will make an appearance on the program to deal with the sexual aspect of recruiting.

HBO report: Buckeyes recruiting target plied with sex | CollegeFootballTalk

 

[JadeBrecks]

Can we just remove OSU from sports? Anybody hear anything about the NCAA doing anything yet?

 

[zbikowski88]

Play to Pay at Auburn from the same page

UPDATED 8:14 p.m. ET: Our buddy at SportsByBrooks.com has obtained an advanced copy of the hour-long program and, suffice to say, it does not paint Auburn University in a very positive light. Four ex-Tigers claim during the course of the program that there was a “systematic pay-to-play” scheme in place during and after the recruiting process in which they were given thousands upon thousands of dollars by people — including alumni — purporting to be associated with the school.

Apparently, the key phrase that will be woven throughout the piece will be “money handshake”.

Based on Brooks’ transcription, which can be viewed in its entirety right HERE, there are some very explosive and damning charges that will be leveled against Auburn.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Even as an Ohio State student, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out there are hundreds of girls just waiting to bang a football player. It's jersey chasing like you wouldn't believe. That said, it happens everywhere.

The folklore around campus is that Pryor, on his recruiting visit, went to a party and the football player he was with just said "yo who wanna suck TP's ****?" and he went upstairs with like six girls. He now likes to go to parties and say "yo girl you're coming home with me tonight" to a random girl without saying a word to her before that very moment. Surprisingly some are offended by it. On a funny note, he once brought a girl home and had sex with her, then when she tried to stay the night he kicked her out of his bed and made her sleep on the floor. I would feel bad, but the girl obviously didn't have any self-respect to begin with.

There are a trillion stories of football players being given sexual favors on campus, this really is no surprise at all. Pryor though, surpasses all with his arrogance and is relatively hated among the students.

I like to go about my days thinking (errr, hoping) Notre Dame players have a bit more class than the Ohio State idiotic assclown football players do.

 

[loomis41973]

....and these are the days of our lives.

 

[IrishLax]

So are Auburn and tOSU going down hard or is the NCAA going to cave?

 

[IrishMoore1]

I hate to break it to everybody, but as I student I can say the same things happen at Notre Dame. Not necessarily involving recruitment or anything, just how football players are generally "treated" here on campus.

 

[IrishLax]

I hate to break it to everybody, but as I student I can say the same things happen at Notre Dame. Not necessarily involving recruitment or anything, just how football players are generally "treated" here on campus.

Absolutely, but in my experiences it is a little different than described above, if only because Notre Dame girls tend to have a lot of respect for themselves. It's more just the natural order of things that athletes are going to get poon tang because they're typically tall, strong, "successful," etc. than it is some crazy sex romp as described above. When I was a frosh I heard stories of BQ going around parties propositioning girls until he found one that would acquiesce but I can't verify that... and there is the well documented 100% fact story of Ronald Talley kicking a girl out of his room after parietals and hollering "RUN BITCH!!"... and one summer I went to a party at Eric Olsen's house (at least I am 95% sure it was his place) that was off in the woods and it was night and day different than any other party I ever went to at ND. So yeah, Notre Dame is definitely not immune to jersey chasers and that kind of thing, but it's not to the level described by IrishInColumbus.

Anyways, without getting long winded, I'd say there are immature and "sleezy" people at every school (see: PM story time about JC when I first joined this board). But at Notre Dame those people are few and far between compared to other schools and I don't think we ever have someone on the level of Will Hill or Pryor. The vast majority of people I ran into in my four short years in the Bend were generally really good people.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Absolutely, but in my experiences it is a little different than described above, if only because Notre Dame girls tend to have a lot of respect for themselves. It's more just the natural order of things that athletes are going to get poon tang because they're typically tall, strong, "successful," etc. than it is some crazy sex romp as described above. When I was a frosh I heard stories of BQ going around parties propositioning girls until he found one that would acquiesce but I can't verify that... and there is the well documented 100% fact story of Ronald Talley kicking a girl out of his room after parietals and hollering "RUN BITCH!!"... and one summer I went to a party at Eric Olsen's house (at least I am 95% sure it was his place) that was off in the woods and it was night and day different than any other party I ever went to at ND. So yeah, Notre Dame is definitely not immune to jersey chasers and that kind of thing, but it's not to the level described by IrishInColumbus.

Anyways, without getting long winded, I'd say there are immature and "sleezy" people at every school (see: PM story time about JC when I first joined this board). But at Notre Dame those people are few and far between compared to other schools and I don't think we ever have someone on the level of Will Hill or Pryor. The vast majority of people I ran into in my four short years in the Bend were generally really good people.

I'd say that's generally true.

Plus I don't think we ever have former players show up on HBO and say how they got paid or received improper benefits, right?

Also, every football player I've met is a class act. Can't express how proud I am of these guys, especially the '07 recruiting class.

 

[Riddickulous]

I hate to break it to everybody, but as I student I can say the same things happen at Notre Dame. Not necessarily involving recruitment or anything, just how football players are generally "treated" here on campus.

It happens with anyone who has fame or any sort of elevated social status.

 

[ACamp1900]

I started at a D 2 school that is a on and off powerhouse in basketball(They were very 'on' at this time and played for the National Title my freshman year)... the parties there were usual college parties for a school in the ghetto... but whenever the basketball players were there things got a lot wilder real quick and girls got harder to chase for non basketball players...

 

[Riddickulous]

Also:

Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter

Straight from the NCAA rulebook...but then:

However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:
(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;
(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.
Part C of the rule may leave the door open for the NCAA to pursue an allegation made after the standard four-year period has expired.

Part C is critical here, assuming the allegations aren't complete bull****.

 

[Kak7304]

Ex-Auburn players reveal pay for play details - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

Here's some more info about the Auburn part of the story. Definitely not looking good for them.

 

[Kak7304]

one summer I went to a party at Eric Olsen's house (at least I am 95% sure it was his place) that was off in the woods and it was night and day different than any other party I ever went to at ND.

I know what house you are talking about. I went to a party there after the Blue-Gold game a few years back. They had a band playing in the upstairs that was open to a large living room where the party was taking place (it was a pretty sweet set up). The girls do go after the football players, including recruits, but it ismore natural and included talking and hanging out rather than cutting to the chase and "going upstairs." The interaction is like it would be at any bar or party with normal people. I also met and talked to Chris Martin at this party and was pretty surprised by the kid. He did not have a sip of alcohol, and was a cool, nice guy that seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. It was just one night, so take it for what it's worth.

That same night, Wenger and another OL were having fun wrestling around in the front yard. Wenger picked up the other guy (I believe it was Romine) and slammed him on the hood of some girl's new Honda Civic, caving in the hood. She got out of the backseat, where she was making out with the QB recruit son of a very famous ND QB, and yelled at Wenger. He told her to pop the hood and proceeded to PUNCH OUT the collapsed hood. I lived in a dorm room next to Wenger one year and all I have to say is that guy is a tad bit crazy.

Back to the relevant point, the girls going after football players thing happens at all schools. It happens at ND too, but to my knowledge, the recruits aren't set up like they are at other schools.

 

[A Pac]

I love that the kid ended up going to Auburn anyway which means that they offered more money/blow jobs than pO$U did.

 

[BeauBenken]

Wow college football...wow

 

[rtrn2glory]

Another classic case of a "never was" trying to cash in on the moment. Similar to Jose Canseco. I wish the NCAA would just come out with what they're going to do until then I'm not going to read too much into what people are saying.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Appears it's not just O$U trouble. Add Auburn and possibly MSU and LSU.

Report: Four former Auburn players got cash - ESPN

 

[Old Man Mike]

American College Education has been described as a vast genetic breeding experiment framed in the context of academics and sports.


That said, hopefully ND is more "civilized" than most [translation: less girls get their lives and themselves hurt].

 

[OchoShayneO]

Absolutely, but in my experiences it is a little different than described above, if only because Notre Dame girls tend to have a lot of respect for themselves. It's more just the natural order of things that athletes are going to get poon tang because they're typically tall, strong, "successful," etc. than it is some crazy sex romp as described above. When I was a frosh I heard stories of BQ going around parties propositioning girls until he found one that would acquiesce but I can't verify that... and there is the well documented 100% fact story of Ronald Talley kicking a girl out of his room after parietals and hollering "RUN BITCH!!"... and one summer I went to a party at Eric Olsen's house (at least I am 95% sure it was his place) that was off in the woods and it was night and day different than any other party I ever went to at ND. So yeah, Notre Dame is definitely not immune to jersey chasers and that kind of thing, but it's not to the level described by IrishInColumbus.

Anyways, without getting long winded, I'd say there are immature and "sleezy" people at every school (see: PM story time about JC when I first joined this board). But at Notre Dame those people are few and far between compared to other schools and I don't think we ever have someone on the level of Will Hill or Pryor. The vast majority of people I ran into in my four short years in the Bend were generally really good people.

College girls are so easy everywhere. Its really fantastic.

 

[rtrn2glory]

College girls are so easy everywhere. Its really fantastic.

^+1 Amen my friend, that first warm spring day of the year when they come out in there new spring clothes is extraordinary.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Another classic case of a "never was" trying to cash in on the moment. Similar to Jose Canseco. I wish the NCAA would just come out with what they're going to do until then I'm not going to read too much into what people are saying.

And a "never was" is the reason SMU got the Death Penalty back in the 80's. Scary stuff....

 

[rtrn2glory]

And a "never was" is the reason SMU got the Death Penalty back in the 80's. Scary stuff....

yea, but it's kinda strange how this was mum until recently...eitherway boosters are bad news with good intentions and bad morals.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

yea, but it's kinda strange how this was mum until recently...eitherway boosters are bad news with good intentions and bad morals.

Exactly, and it sounds like Auburn had/has a vast network of boosters mucking things up.

 

[OchoShayneO]

^+1 Amen my friend, that first warm spring day of the year when they come out in there new spring clothes is extraordinary.

The only thing Im worried about, especially since all my tests came back negative, is having karma curse me with multiple daughters who share the same moral compass as I.

 

[irishpat183]

I love that the kid ended up going to Auburn anyway which means that they offered more money/blow jobs than pO$U did.

I think it was more of a Southern girls vs. Northern girls. We, down in the south, have that matchup by a LONG SHOT.

You guys up north have no idea....

 

[OchoShayneO]

I think it was more of a Southern girls vs. Northern girls. We, down in the south, have that matchup by a LONG SHOT.

You guys up north have no idea....

Went to school in both the north and the south. Southern girls tend to be more fit year around. Nothern girls have to endure those winter months and tend to do alot of beer drinking/get very pale from the end of october sometimes well into april. However chicks up north, in my experience, do way more stuff.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

Absolutely, but in my experiences it is a little different than described above, if only because Notre Dame girls tend to have a lot of respect for themselves. It's more just the natural order of things that athletes are going to get poon tang because they're typically tall, strong, "successful," etc. than it is some crazy sex romp as described above. When I was a frosh I heard stories of BQ going around parties propositioning girls until he found one that would acquiesce but I can't verify that... and there is the well documented 100% fact story of Ronald Talley kicking a girl out of his room after parietals and hollering "RUN BITCH!!"... and one summer I went to a party at Eric Olsen's house (at least I am 95% sure it was his place) that was off in the woods and it was night and day different than any other party I ever went to at ND. So yeah, Notre Dame is definitely not immune to jersey chasers and that kind of thing, but it's not to the level described by IrishInColumbus.

Anyways, without getting long winded, I'd say there are immature and "sleezy" people at every school (see: PM story time about JC when I first joined this board). But at Notre Dame those people are few and far between compared to other schools and I don't think we ever have someone on the level of Will Hill or Pryor. The vast majority of people I ran into in my four short years in the Bend were generally really good people.

Well in my opinion it's not about the sex per se. I was the stud at my high school and know how girls dig athletic guys for all of the reasons you stated, it is very true and isn't necessarily frowned upon in my view. The problem with OSU football and basketball players is the level or arrogance. My cousin is the captain of the swimming team, but you'd never see actions like that out of him. Another cousin was the captain of the wrestling team, but again you wouldn't see that happening. I guess it's just the extremeness (is that a word? haha) of the actions of the football players.

To juxtapose that with Notre Dame's method, it really is night and day. Ohio State's football and basketball members are housed in graduate-level dorms almost completely isolated from the student body. Notre Dame players are immersed in the college life, including the academic struggles.

Ohio State players are just like the SEC, USC, et al in that they are not students but instead should be considered practically mercenaries.

 

[OchoShayneO]

To juxtapose that with Notre Dame's method, it really is night and day. Ohio State's football and basketball members are housed in graduate-level dorms almost completely isolated from the student body. Notre Dame players are immersed in the college life, including the academic struggles.

Ohio State players are just like the SEC, USC, et al in that they are not students but instead should be considered practically mercenaries.

boom. what he said.

 

[IrishMoore1]

More on OSU and Tressel:

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