Miami Postgame Thread

[FDNYIrish1]

Weren’t we using a silent count all game? I remember reading that last week.

 

[Dale]

I remember Carr clapping his hands repeatedly a few times but it never struck as something they would bite on. Possible they just figured out his cadence/rhythm early

 

[PutuporShutup]

Or maybe the Miami wr doesn't make an unbelievable catch and Shuler is the man. Shuler judged it correctly as an overthrow pick, watts had a bunch of these. WR made a throw your arm out and hope you get enough of the ball, and he did.

I'm just saying, we can probably do this on a lot of plays

No doubt miami WR made an incredible catch. But to me it was the mentality of the team as a whole that disappointed me with Freeman and all the coaches. We were NOT the violent physical team everyone preached about other than we were more chippy after plays.

Shuler read the play perfectly and moved on it before it was thrown, he read it so good he slowed down and was pretty much flat-footed waiting for it. Again, the mentality of the team. Wait for the ball and make what could be an easy play vs attacking. Miami attacked, ND reacted.

That was not just shuler, that was all of our zone coverage, that was our passive offensive game plan and RPO/Screens, that was not throwing downfield with our WR advantage, that was starting a small soft interior dlineman and continue to play him after he got abused early on, not establishing the run with a Heisman candidate.

I'm more disappointed with the mentality, lack of physicality and aggression than I am the actual loss. I thought this was a game ND could make a statement, and they did, they're currently soft.

 

[NDPhilly]

They were much more passive / hesitant IMO than I remember our defense being in the back half of 24, I’m sure a lot of that is adjusting to Ash. There were plenty of plays where they just looked confused leading up to the snap which was not surprising in retrospect.

Almost worth always scheduling a FCS / bad G5 team in Week 0 just to iron out shit.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Weren’t we using a silent count all game? I remember reading that last week

Watch the TD pass to Faison. We were using the "clap". No 3 and No 0 for Miami are basically by our guys before we even react.

It's almost like we were watching for the ball to move and Miami was listening for the clap.

In fact, you can see Pauling watching the snap, the ball is snapped, he turns his head to block his man, who is already running by him, crazy. Pretty much the same with Wagner.

 

[SoIll]

They were much more passive / hesitant IMO than I remember our defense being in the back half of 24, I’m sure a lot of that is adjusting to Ash. There were plenty of plays where they just looked confused leading up to the snap which was not surprising in retrospect.

Almost worth always scheduling a FCS / bad G5 team in Week 0 just to iron out shit.

first defensive possession of the game the DL was confused!

 

[SportsingHard]

Well now that stealing signals and play calls is now for all intents and purposes, legal, Im not surprised if they did know a thing or two ahead of time.

Always has been legal. A couple things not legal are in-person scouting and visually recording signals (apart from game film and tv broadcasts.)

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That last minute for us was one of the worst executed last minute in memory. Total collapse they rushed 4 and felt like 7. The play calling (no rolling a pocket or anything) was pathetic. Weakest coaching link on this team is an over the hill one season wonder thanks to Jayden Daniel’s miracle season.

This is a very measured response void of any emotion or hyperbole whatsoever.

When the bombs start flying, I want you in the foxhole next to me.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Where did I say for him to go "targeting?"

That’s my point. It’s not your definition of targeting, it’s the officials on the field & in the booth. If he goes for the big hit, he risks it being interpreted as targeting. It’s as subjective as a home plate ump calling balls & strikes.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Surprising Cuse was that close considering they lost by 19

SU is one team I am confident that the front seven can record some sacks.

 

[2013Irish]

That’s my point. It’s not your definition of targeting, it’s the officials on the field & in the booth. If he goes for the big hit, he risks it being interpreted as targeting. It’s as subjective as a home plate ump calling balls & strikes.

Don't lead with your head and play the ball. They're coached to do this. The ref's interpretation shouldn't cross anyone's mind on a play like that.

I feel for Shuler, but you can't rationalize by saying he should play scared to avoid a penalty.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Don't lead with your head and play the ball. They're coached to do this. The ref's interpretation shouldn't cross anyone's mind on a play like that.

I feel for Shuler, but you can't rationalize by saying he should play scared to avoid a penalty.

Correct. They’re coached to do a lot of things but they don’t always perform (see OL). I never said he should play scared. In Fact, I said I don’t know what his thought process was but it could be possible that’s in the back of his mind on plays like that.

 

[IrishLax]

I think people are really overthinking the Shuler play. If it looked like an accurate/on time pass he would've come up and hit the guy. It looked like an overthrow and he was playing the ball. He misread the ball's trajectory by ~2 inches and an interception at minimum saves you 3 points. Everything is easy slowed down and with hindsight.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think people are really overthinking the Shuler play. If it looked like an accurate/on time pass he would've come up and hit the guy. It looked like an overthrow and he was playing the ball. He misread the ball's trajectory by ~2 inches and an interception at minimum saves you 3 points. Everything is easy slowed down and with hindsight.

This was my take even in real time. That ball is an INT 99.9% of the time. WR just made a big time play. End of story. If Shuler goes for the hit and the ball is overthrown, people would be ripping him for not playing the ball and getting the easy INT.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I think people are really overthinking the Shuler play. If it looked like an accurate/on time pass he would've come up and hit the guy. It looked like an overthrow and he was playing the ball. He misread the ball's trajectory by ~2 inches and an interception at minimum saves you 3 points. Everything is easy slowed down and with hindsight.

I think he thought it was a sure interception, but I'd like to see him try and high point that ball, not just wait for it to fall to him. If he does, at minimum it's a PBU. Ball hawking 101, right? There was a play to be made and he didn't make it. It's one play.

Still a helluva ball player and I'm sure he'll make plenty of plays for us again in 2025. It was sick catch by the wideout, no doubt.

 

[allenm5333]

I think he thought it was a sure interception, but I'd like to see him try and high point that ball, not just wait for it to fall to him. If he does, at minimum it's a PBU. Ball hawking 101, right? There was a play to be made and he didn't make it. It's one play.

Still a helluva ball player and I'm sure he'll make plenty of plays for us again in 2025. It was sick catch by the wideout, no doubt.

Dj Brown tried to highpoint an interception once

 

[Rocketman84]

I think it was behind the LOS. Didn't we benefit on a pick play that the flag was picked up b/c behind LOS?

I'm not so negative on Shuler's missed pick - WRs hand must have felt like it came from the depths of hell to ruin his day and reel that in. Just have to tip your hat sometimes to someone making what will probably be the best catch of their lifetime.

It was behind the LOS, and no excuse with Shuler it was only a great catch because he didn't decide one of two things 1.) attack the ball like Ed Reed 2.) Destroy the WR and remove man from ball like Bob Sanders/Steve Atwater

 

[Free Manera]

Just FYI my 6 year old is watching the recording and after the first screen pass he goes “that sucked.” I don’t have the heart to tell him. He plays RB and LB though so he’s prejudiced against screen passes.

 

[NDWarrior]

Bummer that so many people watched us... lose

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Found an all-22 copy of the Miami td. For anyone interested, it's 13:00 min in. Shuler actually lines up about 5 yards from where Daniels ultimately catches it. It appears that Shuler thought he had a gift wrapped int and there was no way Daniels gets to it... then, heartbreak. Actually feel worse for Shuler after watching it as it's a play he (along with Watts) routinely made last year.

He's praising the throw from Beck. Looks like Beck chucked it to avoid a sack and the WR Daniels intercepted it with a freaky one handed grab.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wait, I thought college football was in shambles and the game was going to hell.

They're paying the help!! THEY'RE PAYING THE HELP!!

 

[pumpdog20]

Wait, I thought college football was in shambles and the game was going to hell.

They're paying the help!! THEY'RE PAYING THE HELP!!

This.. plus Texas vs OSU did like 16m.

 

[stpeteirish]

Funny that the highest rated Sun game in history is that 2016 ND/Texas debacle. I'm thinking ND in a close game is a ratings magnet. Probably because people want us to lose.

 

[Dale]

Hilarious to watch Gameday talk about Clemson, Texas, Alabama and ND losses and have them pretty unanimously agree ND is the least to worry about. Guess they don’t peruse IE

 

[Terry Jillery]

Hilarious to watch Gameday talk about Clemson, Texas, Alabama and ND losses and have them pretty unanimously agree ND is the least to worry about. Guess they don’t peruse IE

Also funny to hear Saban say CJ Carr is good and we need to let him throw it down the field. I guess he was in agreement with most of us who were screaming at our TVs to stop screens and to give Love the ball.

I think we are a better team than Miami. CJ looked easily as good or better in his first ever start than Miami’s 16th year QB.

 

[Kingbish01]

Also funny to hear Saban say CJ Carr is good and we need to let him throw it down the field. I guess he was in agreement with most of us who were screaming at our TVs to stop screens and to give Love the ball.

Ya, but what does Saban know 🙄

 

[Irish du Nord]

Hilarious to watch Gameday talk about Clemson, Texas, Alabama and ND losses and have them pretty unanimously agree ND is the least to worry about. Guess they don’t peruse IE

This has to be the national consensus, by the way. ND lost on a field goal with a minute left playing a top 10 team on the road. None of these other teams can say that.

 

[BeatSC]

Also funny to hear Saban say CJ Carr is good and we need to let him throw it down the field. I guess he was in agreement with most of us who were screaming at our TVs to stop screens and to give Love the ball.

I think we are a better team than Miami. CJ looked easily as good or better in his first ever start than Miami’s 16th year QB.

If properly coached we are. This loss was on conservative coaching on both sides of the ball.

 

[BeatSC]

Also funny to hear Saban say CJ Carr is good and we need to let him throw it down the field. I guess he was in agreement with most of us who were screaming at our TVs to stop screens and to give Love the ball.

I think we are a better team than Miami. CJ looked easily as good or better in his first ever start than Miami’s 16th year QB.

Well CJ had a much tougher challenge that night but Beck played almost perfect. He was better that night as evidenced by the bonehead int.

 

[SDIrishFan]