Miami Postgame Thread

[DomeFieldAdvantage]

Well, this was a shitty performance all the way around.

Coaching: I agreed before the game that Denbrock should call it to protect Carr, but had incorrectly aimed he'd do it by leaning on the running game. Woof. I had no problem with the first drive calls, but after that, Love needed to be featured.
It was clear Carr was counting defenders in the box and checking into pass, but it was mind boggling to watch them run the same damn bubble a dozen times. No adjustments or creativity... a slot fade? A skinny post?

After reading through virtually all the other posts, one thing I didn't see mentioned was the silent count/snap. It was evident Miami knew it for most of the game, particularly in the red zone. All of the plays down there were disasters and it's a miracle Carr threw 2 tds in spite of it.
Miami was in the backfield by the time love and price were getting the ball in the red zone and it wasn't a coincidence. Hard enough to block Bain, but when he knew the count it became nearly impossible with our average tackles.

I see people going back and forth on Ash and the defense, but the bottom line is they have up 27 with very little havoc caused. This against a freshman in Toney and a bunch of mercs who looked more in sync than our guys. It felt like we had no answers to questions Golden was solving by halftime last year.

Captains: It's hard to point to anything good the captains did on this game. A stunningly bad performance from the leaders of your team. I won't retread Hinish, Wagner and Scrauth, but wanted to low-light Bowen and Shuler. They both missed several tackles after being sound in they area last year.

Shuler's mis-play the Daniels td was mind boggling. The only explanation is he didn't see him. It needed to be a pick or incomplete as the score to end the half gabe the Canes an avalanche of momentum that became to big a hole after they scored outta the half.

And tackling was highlighted as one of the things Ash did at Ohio State that make them so much better and why he could be good.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

So..

Any of you feeling sketchy about the Aggie game now?

I think the game went pretty much how I thought it would. Cristobal went into his typical coach scared in the 2nd half and tried to lose. I guess he finally has enough talent to over come that now. Just hb dive after hb dive after hb dive, going back to oregon you see the same exact play with different offensive coordinators.. cave man, that's all I'm gonna say.

Hopefully we get the next game in South bend soon

In other news, usf vs florida is a game to watch on Saturday. Todd Orlando and alex gulash are some tier 1 coaches. Gators are feeling themselves for whatever reason, gulash ultra high tempo offense is gonna catch them off guard.

I think most of the ND media & fans assume Carr will just keep getting better w/ each game. Overall, he should but to think he can’t turn around & throw 3 picks vs aTm or shit the bed vs an even worse defense down the schedule is naive. I remember in Clausen’s soph season (2008). He looked great in some games but he still threw 17 picks and some were back breakers like the pick six @ UNC.

Don’t get me wrong, Carr played awesome for his 1st start & was nowhere near the top reasons for losing to Miami but to assume “well at least we have the QB position solved” doesn’t make sense after one game.

 

[2013Irish]

I'm assuming the answer's pretty obvious, but why was the Miami defender colliding with Faison on the interception play not PI? Forgive me - I'm rusty on penalties and whatnot.

 

[2013Irish]

I think most of the ND media & fans assume Carr will just keep getting better w/ each game. Overall, he should but to think he can’t turn around & throw 3 picks vs aTm or shit the bed vs an even worse defense down the schedule is naive. I remember in Clausen’s soph season (2008). He looked great in some games but he still threw 17 picks and some were back breakers like the pick six @ UNC.

Don’t get me wrong, Carr played awesome for his 1st start & was nowhere near the top reasons for losing to Miami but to assume “well at least we have the QB position solved” doesn’t make sense after one game.

Agreed. I remember Freeman came out after OSU 2022 and said that they found their solution at QB in Buchner.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm assuming the answer's pretty obvious, but why was the Miami defender colliding with Faison on the interception play not PI? Forgive me - I'm rusty on penalties and whatnot.

I think it was behind the LOS. Didn't we benefit on a pick play that the flag was picked up b/c behind LOS?

I'm not so negative on Shuler's missed pick - WRs hand must have felt like it came from the depths of hell to ruin his day and reel that in. Just have to tip your hat sometimes to someone making what will probably be the best catch of their lifetime.

 

[SoIll]

I think it was behind the LOS. Didn't we benefit on a pick play that the flag was picked up b/c behind LOS?

I'm not so negative on Shuler's missed pick - WRs hand must have felt like it came from the depths of hell to ruin his day and reel that in. Just have to tip your hat sometimes to someone making what will probably be the best catch of their lifetime.

Nah this ain't it. Light him the fuck up. If he even remotely touches him or plays the ball, that's not a touchdown.

 

[2013Irish]

I think it was behind the LOS. Didn't we benefit on a pick play that the flag was picked up b/c behind LOS?

I'm not so negative on Shuler's missed pick - WRs hand must have felt like it came from the depths of hell to ruin his day and reel that in. Just have to tip your hat sometimes to someone making what will probably be the best catch of their lifetime.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Nah this ain't it. Light him the fuck up. If he even remotely touches him or plays the ball, that's not a touchdown.

We don’t know what his thought process was but let’s say he lights him up & Daniels can’t come down w/ the catch. But there’s a flag on the play for targeting so UM gets automatic 1st down & Shuler misses rest of game.

 

[SoIll]

We don’t know what his thought process was but let’s say he lights him up & Daniels can’t come down w/ the catch. But there’s a flag on the play for targeting so UM gets automatic 1st down & Shuler misses rest of game.

Where did I say for him to go "targeting?"

 

[mrmcgrail]

Man after rewatching the game again Miami had to have known the snap count or there was a tell by the center. They were off the ball before our guys were even out of their stance. Offensive coaching needs a big week here to figure some stuff out

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

There was never a point while watching that game that I didn't believe they were going to win. I was in it until the clock got to zeroes.

The Freeman Effect. I think everyone in this program feels the same way. That's what matters, but as a fan aged 47 years, I can't recall having this much belief. Ever.

It's about as mild of disappointment as I've ever felt after a loss.

 

[Free Manera]

There was never a point while watching that game that I didn't believe they were going to win. I was in it until the clock got to zeroes.

The Freeman Effect. I think everyone in this program feels the same way. That's what matters, but as a fan aged 47 years, I can't recall having this much belief. Ever.

It's about as mild of disappointment as I've ever felt after a loss.

I felt like that too. I am still really disappointed though because despite ND playing a C- game they had a chance to steal one. That’s when I expected the “violence” and digging deep to show up with a couple late stops and finally giving CJ some time and Love some holes. And I really wanted to shut up Miami fans about their home field advantage that shows up once every 8 years.

 

[NDRock]

There was never a point while watching that game that I didn't believe they were going to win. I was in it until the clock got to zeroes.

The Freeman Effect. I think everyone in this program feels the same way. That's what matters, but as a fan aged 47 years, I can't recall having this much belief. Ever.

It's about as mild of disappointment as I've ever felt after a loss.

Agree completely. No longer is every big game viewed as a referendum on the program. I fully expect us to have a great season and be there for the playoffs. I would not have felt that way with past regimes.

 

[peadeam]

Man after rewatching the game again Miami had to have known the snap count or there was a tell by the center. They were off the ball before our guys were even out of their stance. Offensive coaching needs a big week here to figure some stuff out

It was very evident on the second TD pass. The DE was in the backfield before our line got out of their stance

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Wiki got him.

 

[Dale]

SIAP

 

[Irish du Nord]

SIAP

Surprising Cuse was that close considering they lost by 19

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Man after rewatching the game again Miami had to have known the snap count or there was a tell by the center. They were off the ball before our guys were even out of their stance. Offensive coaching needs a big week here to figure some stuff out

I had thought that they had hacked the play. Some of the inside runs were immediately snuffed.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Freeman has had 4 defensive classes now since he’s been at ND. The only interior Dline player that’s been able to see the field out of those 4 classes is Hinish, and he’s Mac level. Freeman has upgraded so many areas in so many ways but interior dline is an epic failure.

 

[allenm5333]

Freeman has had 4 defensive classes now since he’s been at ND. The only interior Dline player that’s been able to see the field out of those 4 classes is Hinish, and he’s Mac level. Freeman has upgraded so many areas in so many ways but interior dline is an epic failure.

Part of me died when Justin Scott forced a fumble

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Freeman has had 4 defensive classes now since he’s been at ND. The only interior Dline player that’s been able to see the field out of those 4 classes is Hinish, and he’s Mac level. Freeman has upgraded so many areas in so many ways but interior dline is an epic failure.

I enjoyed this site more when you weren’t trolling.

 

[irishjim]

Freeman has had 4 defensive classes now since he’s been at ND. The only interior Dline player that’s been able to see the field out of those 4 classes is Hinish, and he’s Mac level. Freeman has upgraded so many areas in so many ways but interior dline is an epic failure.

Saw this on Twitter today- I know it’s NFL, but shows that the best O linemen in the world are big. To win a NC (most years) we need to be bigger on the D line. Imagine 2 studs like a Nix, Tuitt, or Day on the D line last year.

 

[BeatSC]

I'm assuming the answer's pretty obvious, but why was the Miami defender colliding with Faison on the interception play not PI? Forgive me - I'm rusty on penalties and whatnot.

I thought that as well. First person to mention it. Game was in Miami. They got the PI call when they needed it but not us.

 

[BeatSC]

There was never a point while watching that game that I didn't believe they were going to win. I was in it until the clock got to zeroes.

The Freeman Effect. I think everyone in this program feels the same way. That's what matters, but as a fan aged 47 years, I can't recall having this much belief. Ever.

It's about as mild of disappointment as I've ever felt after a loss.

That last minute for us was one of the worst executed last minute in memory. Total collapse they rushed 4 and felt like 7. The play calling (no rolling a pocket or anything) was pathetic. Weakest coaching link on this team is an over the hill one season wonder thanks to Jayden Daniel’s miracle season.

 

[IAIrish]

Well, this was a shitty performance all the way around.

Coaching: I agreed before the game that Denbrock should call it to protect Carr, but had incorrectly aimed he'd do it by leaning on the running game. Woof. I had no problem with the first drive calls, but after that, Love needed to be featured.
It was clear Carr was counting defenders in the box and checking into pass, but it was mind boggling to watch them run the same damn bubble a dozen times. No adjustments or creativity... a slot fade? A skinny post?

After reading through virtually all the other posts, one thing I didn't see mentioned was the silent count/snap. It was evident Miami knew it for most of the game, particularly in the red zone. All of the plays down there were disasters and it's a miracle Carr threw 2 tds in spite of it.
Miami was in the backfield by the time love and price were getting the ball in the red zone and it wasn't a coincidence. Hard enough to block Bain, but when he knew the count it became nearly impossible with our average tackles.

I see people going back and forth on Ash and the defense, but the bottom line is they have up 27 with very little havoc caused. This against a freshman in Toney and a bunch of mercs who looked more in sync than our guys. It felt like we had no answers to questions Golden was solving by halftime last year.

Captains: It's hard to point to anything good the captains did on this game. A stunningly bad performance from the leaders of your team. I won't retread Hinish, Wagner and Scrauth, but wanted to low-light Bowen and Shuler. They both missed several tackles after being sound in they area last year.

Shuler's mis-play the Daniels td was mind boggling. The only explanation is he didn't see him. It needed to be a pick or pbu as the score to end the half gave the Canes an avalanche of momentum that became too big a hole after they scored outta the half.

Found an all-22 copy of the Miami td. For anyone interested, it's 13:00 min in. Shuler actually lines up about 5 yards from where Daniels ultimately catches it. It appears that Shuler thought he had a gift wrapped int and there was no way Daniels gets to it... then, heartbreak. Actually feel worse for Shuler after watching it as it's a play he (along with Watts) routinely made last year.

 

[stlnd01]

Found an all-22 copy of the Miami td. For anyone interested, it's 13:00 min in. Shuler actually lines up about 5 yards from where Daniels ultimately catches it. It appears that Shuler thought he had a gift wrapped int and there was no way Daniels gets to it... then, heartbreak. Actually feel worse for Shuler after watching it as it's a play he (along with Watts) routinely made last year.

Yes. Shuler probably thought he has a pick there. But it also shows he was right there. If he attacks the WR and puts a shoulder pad into his chest that ball falls incomplete. Maybe Miami has time for a field goal and those three points instead of seven are the difference in the game.

 

[T-Boone]

Man after rewatching the game again Miami had to have known the snap count or there was a tell by the center. They were off the ball before our guys were even out of their stance. Offensive coaching needs a big week here to figure some stuff out

If that is as advantageous to the D as it sounds and thats why the Oline stank...then good, because it sound like an easy fix.

 

[T-Boone]

I really dont understand OL play. The second possession when Carr got tackled for a loss is being blamed on Gerby when it looks more like the centres mistake. Surely if the guy lining up across from you, right in your face goes through untouched it is on you.

 

[Irish#1]

Man after rewatching the game again Miami had to have known the snap count or there was a tell by the center. They were off the ball before our guys were even out of their stance. Offensive coaching needs a big week here to figure some stuff out

Good point. I was wondering why they didn't alter the count. There was one play where I thought the defensive player had jumped offsides and was sure a flag would be thrown, but nothing.

 

[jprue24]

Yes. Shuler probably thought he has a pick there. But it also shows he was right there. If he attacks the WR and puts a shoulder pad into his chest that ball falls incomplete. Maybe Miami has time for a field goal and those three points instead of seven are the difference in the game.

Or maybe the Miami wr doesn't make an unbelievable catch and Shuler is the man. Shuler judged it correctly as an overthrow pick, watts had a bunch of these. WR made a throw your arm out and hope you get enough of the ball, and he did.

I'm just saying, we can probably do this on a lot of plays