Miami Postgame Thread

[thekid33]

Carr is a dog.

Our coordinators may not be dogs.

O-Line are certainly not dogs.

Leaders on the team need to step up and challenge everyone between now and A&M.

1-1 is fine.

0-2 gives us no margin for error.

 

[Rudy89]

Carr is a dog.

Our coordinators may not be dogs.

O-Line are certainly not dogs.

Leaders on the team need to step up and challenge everyone between now and A&M.

1-1 is fine.

0-2 gives us no margin for error.

I don’t want injuries but during the bye week the team really need to focus on tackling and hitting, they gotta get more physical before A&M & for the rest of the year. Otherwise we are looking at a disappointing season.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Morning after thoughts. No excuse to let a team play harder than you out of the gate. First two and a half quarters was the game. This was their super bowl and the team was too immature to accept that. That's how you end up losing games later in the season you shouldn't and why we lost to N Illinois last year. Leadership is questionable on this team right now from the players standpoint.

 

[irishandy]

Honestly this was the first game I let my 5 year old son stay up for the whole thing. I shit you not, he looked at me and said, “Soemtimes you win, sometimes you lose…right dad?”

And after I fought the urge to slap the ever loving shit out of him…I gave him a hug…and told him he was right. Because he was. Kids, man.

It ain’t that deep…but it is…but it isn’t. Keep that racial shit out of here.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread yet, but this is the best post so far!

 

[jpachuta33]

Silver lining…

Lost the turnover battle by two, both lines were abysmal and got absolutely manhandled when it counted, only to lose by three points on the road with an inexperienced quarterback.

Things that need fixed immediately…

This makes three straight games now where the team has came out and played like ass in the first half. Spotting top ten teams points, or any team in general, is not a recipe for success. Puts a lot of pressure on the team to play perfect in the second half.


Moving forward, we now have eleven one-game seasons. Focus on the now and not the future.

Thank God for the bye week.

 

[irishu]

2024 playoff teams in the regular season:
- Ohio State (2 losses)
- Notre Dame (1 loss)
- Penn State (1 loss + B1G champ loss)
- Texas (1 loss + SEC champ loss)
- Oregon (none)
- Georgia (2 losses)
- Boise State (1 loss)
- Arizona State (2 losses)
- Clemson (3 losses)
- Indiana (1 loss)
- Tennessee (2 losses)
- SMU (1 loss + ACC champ loss)

Losses happen, lads. We’ll be fine. QB is there and I trust OL to be coached better and the DL to perform better against other OL

 

[notredomer23]

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Just stats but to me this would indicate a unlucky loss more than anything else

Tonight, Notre Dame turned the ball over twice while not forcing a fumble or interception. That happened once last season, and it was the loss to NIU.

Similarly, Notre Dame only allowed 205+ yards while not forcing an interception twice last season, once in the win over Georgia and again in the loss to Ohio State.

Dating back to the 2022 season, Marcus Freeman-coached teams are a combined 16-2 when opponents average 3.1 yards or fewer per rush attempt. The losses are the 2022 Stanford game and tonight's Miami game

 

[IrishTusker]

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Just stats but to me this would indicate a unlucky loss more than anything else

The game did remind a bit of the first OSU/Oregon game last year, where basically every bounce went Oregon's way.

That said, the problem on both lines is something anyone can see by watching the game.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Honestly, it's a testament to how good this program/team has become. We lost by 3 on the road to a top ten team with a rookie QB, -2 turnovers, and poor playcalling. And we're all disappointed because we probably should have still won.

I think this team can win all the remaining regular season games. They'll still be favored in all of them. We have no reason to not trust Freeman to instill some urgency into each game moving forward.

 

[Grahambo]

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Just stats but to me this would indicate a unlucky loss more than anything else

Add to that the incredible one handed catch and it was just simply not Notre Dames night.

 

[BeauBenken]

Miami played a hell of a game. Felt like all the big breaks went their way. And we still had a chance at the end.

As long as Miami doesn't implode like last year they should be a playoff team.

If we can get the OL figured out, and perhaps hand off the ball from time to time, we'll be there as well.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

This game was nowhere near as bad as people are acting.

 

[Irish#1]

Not as disappointed for the loss as I was in the play.
Both lines got dominated
Poor tackling
Ash deciding to play mostly conservatively allowing Beck all the time he needed
Denbrock going to the outside screen over and over and not being very creative. Thought we should go hurry up earlier in the game.

Even considering the above we still had a shot.

 

[NDRock]

This game was nowhere near as bad as people are acting.

Yeah, the best part of the 12 team playoff is we don't have to flip out over a 3 point road loss to a top 10 team. Disappointing loss, for sure, but this team still has a great shot to be there in the end. Makes the A&M game a must win though. Go Irish.

 

[Riddickulous]

This game was nowhere near as bad as people are acting.

Yep. Very disappointing but it's a 3 point loss to a Top 10 team on the road, not Northern Illinois.

 

[tussin]

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Silver lining…

Lost the turnover battle by two, both lines were abysmal and got absolutely manhandled when it counted, only to lose by three points on the road with an inexperienced quarterback.

Things that need fixed immediately…

This makes three straight games now where the team has came out and played like ass in the first half. Spotting top ten teams points, or any team in general, is not a recipe for success. Puts a lot of pressure on the team to play perfect in the second half.


Moving forward, we now have eleven one-game seasons. Focus on the now and not the future.

Thank God for the bye week.

Morning after...agree 100%. Bottom line is ND got their asses beat up front (on both sides) and lost the turnover battle 0-2. Miami took the ND 2024 game plan for every week and put it on ND last night.

 

[Huntr]

3 point loss to a top 10 team on the road. It's a tough spot to play that game out of the gate, but it's ND. They're always gonna want to play that game.

Win the rest of them and this doesn't matter.

CJ had a good game for a debut. Better than Manning, better than Simpson. He looked better than Klubnik.

Hinish is too small for what they're doing with him, and the middle of the DL suffers for it. Bowen being a non-factor was surprising to me. I thought he could have helped stuff some of those runs better.

OL...man they looked rusty and incoherent. Knapp - I don't know. He will prob thrive against most of the teams on the schedule, tho. Lambert looked like a rook a couple of times, nbd. The other 3 need to play like they know how to.

Overall, I kind of thought the team played tentative and lacked aggression and you just can't do that.

Again, it was a 3 point loss to a top 10 team on the road and with a 2-0 TO margin, so the game plan was prob good enough. Can't help but think they will feel like they need to hand off to Love and Price more. 16 total carries ain't gonna cut it. Williams was missed, too, so I guess that shoulder is a little worse than they let on.

 

[IrishBryan77]

It looked as though the practice squad dressed in the starters place and the starters stayed behind and smoked doobies and played red dead online instead.

.....oh wait, that's what I did.

 

[Dale]

• Denbrock: Ditching the run game was awful. Not going to put the lack of downfield passing on him entirely though as Knapp and Wagner were on skates much of the night and you can’t throw a deep ball in 1 second. Definitely have to find a solution still and mix something in. Another thing is if we don’t have TEs to run heavy, spread it out then, not having Fields and Faison blocking in a tight formation. Was not always pretty, but RZ offense was still effective.
• Ash: Thought he was fine. Dawson is a fantastic OC and had some things ready to beat us, lot of man beaters. This is not an Ash thing and more a Freeman thing but rotation was heavy and some guys I don’t necessarily want always on the field were beat for big plays. This was the case versus OSU as well in years past. This was basically admitted by Freeman post game as a long term decision. I think you really have to change your diaper if you’ve made some huge takeaway of Ash here. Do people realize we forced FIVE 3 and outs? That Miami started twice in ND territory and scored 3 points? Frankly some of the takeaways seem completely made up and not based in reality. Of course it’s a lot of the same exact posters on the first few pages of the Golden thread….
• Carr: Poise. Arm talent. Check. Check. Assuming the INT was an RPO. That’s on him. Pressed man corner is a clear run read there. This was admitted in post game. But tough to poke many other holes given what was asked/available.
• WRs: Slot WR was literally AWOL. Nothing from Pauling or Greathouse at all. Faison be slippery.
• OL: Woof. Was Knapp hurt or benched? Probably bit of both. Wagner is not a NFL OT and I don’t know why anyone keeps pretending he is. Against NFL prospects he’s not strong enough. Will be intriguing how the coaches viewed Lambert/Absher. Can’t run a full offense when you can’t block.
• DL: Probably the main reason we lost. Basically nothing from the pass rush besides Traore. Beck all day to throw. Can’t play man with all day to throw. DTs caved in too often in the run game. No show from Bryce Young is disappointing. Hinish, don’t even have to elaborate. Why not get hands up more often like Dawson in 1Q if you can’t get home and most passes were short?
• LB: Bowen was underwhelming but that is also on the DTs. Ausberry seemed to play a lot? Not a good or bad just surprising. They cleaned up a lot and contained with the safeties which is why the run stats aren’t as bad as they seemed but more swallowing tackles rather than attacking.
• DBs: Moore was not his best in the 1H, maybe it was the surface. Hobbs is not good. Like was really not good. First TD Hobbs is beat and Talich is 8 yards into the end zone guarding no one. Second TD is on Moore if anything but amazing catch. Moore got beat off line. People blaming Shuler are idiots, the All-22 view also clearly showed he traveled distance, ball in air to get there. He was not simply standing there waiting as many implied from a slow mo 0.5 seconds. Beck made zero other costly mistakes which is closer to 2023 him when he has a NFL OL and all day to throw.

• In the end you lost the TO battle and Middle Eight, which included a miracle TD catch. Breakeven or win either as we usually do and you beat a Top 10 team on the road with a first time QB. Both teams are OL/DL driven programs, theirs is better and might be the best in the country.

 

[allenm5333]

This feels like a late season NFL loss. Not the end of the world, but margin of error is thinner

 

[FOTY977]

Plenty of material to “keep the pain” from this loss.

Massive credit to Cristobal getting his team on the same page fairly quickly.

Their OLine looked like how I thought ours would and should.

On one hand I hate the zone coverage, on the other hand you need pressure to get home and I’m guessing Ash saw the writing on the wall on that front.

17-6 in the 4th is a testament to the culture and there is plenty of room for success this season, but man was it a bummer seeing them come out relatively flat and get bullied on both lines for most of the game.

Carr was the best young QB of the weekend.

 

[Irish du Nord]

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I didn’t want to go 12-0 anyway because there’s nothing like a home playoff game

Unironically a silver lining

 

[peadeam]

The Oline situation is intriguing. I assumed they let the starters last year transfer because the returning injured guys were better. It appears they really fucked up their evaluation from the beginning.

 

[pumpdog20]

Denbrock: clearly Carr scared the shit out of him coming out of fall camp. Hos play calling was atrocious. Some of that was on the line though. Snyder sidebar: punish Price with extra sprints not completely remove him from the game.

Ash: other than the rush 4 that got no where and the tackling at times, defense did alright. Everyone blaming Hobbs, you did the same to Gray last year. Imagine trying to play man with a guy in the slot who's a freaking dart, your d line gets no pass rush, and on a wet field. That td to Toney, Hobbs was right there, it was a good throw and just out of reach. The bullshit td, ugh love to see Schuler go to break up the ball than expect an int but I get it.

OL/TE U = nope

Greathouse: played like someone who didn't take having an "or" next to his name very well. His blocking was inexcusable and he deserved not to see the ball.

Captains: im fine with the all other than Pauling. We dont need leaders from the sideline. Should have never been given the C because hes but going to play that much. With that said, the lack of leadership charge is dumb as hell. Remember the last time we went to Miami and the game was getting away? Yeah, that didn't happen. In fact, they fought back,and I actually thought we were going to pull it out.

Anyways, see you in South Bend in a couple weeks. I'll be at the golf course if anyone wants a beer.

 

[irishandy]

Postgame Thoughts:
1. Notre Dame beat Notre Dame, Miami was very beatable.
2. Denbrock called a worse game than Ash.
3. I've seen better O-line's at Notre Dame, last night's was not one of them.
4. 16 carries between Love & Price with 78 yards and no Williams= problem.
5. Get more out of Love, Price, & Williams opens up our passing game.
6. Happy to see Gilbert get a TD, ND should've left him in.
7. No Greathouse, no Pauling??
8. If KVA didn't start, he should be a starter, and be left in.
9. Did Bryce Young play?
10. I thought Jared Dawson played a solid game.
11. CJ Carr has the "it" factor, my favorite Carr moment was when he went up to Fields after fumbling the ball. Put a "C" on Carr's jersey.
12. ND rebounded and reacted after losing to NIU last year, time to rebound and react.

Go Irish!

 

[stlnd01]

Plenty of material to “keep the pain” from this loss.

Massive credit to Cristobal getting his team on the same page fairly quickly.

Their OLine looked like how I thought ours would and should.

On one hand I hate the zone coverage, on the other hand you need pressure to get home and I’m guessing Ash saw the writing on the wall on that front.

17-6 in the 4th is a testament to the culture and there is plenty of room for success this season, but man was it a bummer seeing them come out relatively flat and get bullied on both lines for most of the game.

Carr was the best young QB of the weekend.

Yeah. Watching Beck sit back there with time and carve up soft zone coverage was incredibly frustrating. The first TD on the crossing route where Hobbs gets beat and Talich's just floating around in back... Yuck.

IDK what was going on with our pass rush but aside from Traore no one did anything. Young and Sneed were nonfactors. And then, yeah, our OL just wasn't good. IDK if Wagner or Knapp are what we need them to be, physically, but IDK if Lambert or Black are ready to play outside. For a program supposedly built around line play, we got beat by a team that's built even more around line play.

And that touchdown at the end of the first half was the sort of play where you just tip your hat to them. Tough throw under pressure, ridiculous catch. Of course if either of our two best DBs just hit the guy, he doesn't haul it in.

 

[BabyIrish]

I’m not quite understanding the criticism of Denbrock and Ash. It was clear the plan was to ease Carr into the game. Freeman even said so in the opening interview on the sidelines. This was clearly decided by the whole coaching staff. It was clear they were also trying to use Love as a decoy with lots of misdirection to get the defense flowing toward him and then quick hit to the opposite side. That seems like a good idea to me. I was baffled that we didn’t see more price in the second half.

To me it seems like we lost because of one reason: we were undersized on both lines. We got bullied in the trenches. That has to be the main focal point going forward. How does that get fixed? Switch personnel? Figure out how to scheme around it? Good thing we got two weeks to figure it out.

 

[Free Manera]

One major problem that may not be fixable by the TAMU game: the DTs are undersized but they make up for it by also being slow.

 

[IrishTusker]

One major problem that may not be fixable by the TAMU game: the DTs are undersized but they make up for it by also being slow.

Wasn't this also true last year?