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[NDWarrior]

Truth!



And that's why I say Tyler Robinsons is Dead Man Walking. There is no way in Hell if they want to pin this assassination on this kid, they can let him with a Defense lawyer, tell his side of the story and challenge their alleged narrative.

- It is reported that he hasn't even been assigned a Defense lawyer yet (strange) and that at the earliest there may be a preliminary hearing on 9/29
- They would never want him to talk and expose their set up. So they will off him and call it the perfunctory "suicide" and the video will of course be missing or have missing portions; or he will be killed by a "devout Charlie Kirk follower," allowed to get close enough to kill him, a la LH Oswald style
- I'm pretty sure even that shot of him in protected cell in prison and where he answered only his name on Tuesday was recorded and played back to make it sound like he was emotionless and simply answered with his name

 

[TorontoGold]

So we're really going to do the whole Biden vax mandate was horrible (was struck down after 3 months). Thus giving you a carte blanche to frame every injustice as just as bad because for 3 months there was a federal government mandate from Biden that was struck down.

Well you see folks, I am a real life adult and I believe that because Joe Biden had a vaccine mandate (arguably good), my ability to process anything is blinded by that very event.

The victim complex is incredible.

 

[Blazers46]

Let's take the word of Jerry Falwell Jr. Thou shalt pimp their wife to pool boys, I believe it was.

We all fall short.

 

[Blazers46]

Truth!

 

[ozzman]

 

[sixstar]

That's what I've been saying... Someday the oppression of this admin will fall on you...

But, you're missing the point...

1) You're antivax and COVID arguments are not of an equivalent scale - You're looking at abstractly and the Left did this, now the Right is doing this (see, I told you, it would get ugly and some day oppression would come for you).

Scale has nothing to do with it. Civil liberties aren’t graded on a curve.

- I agree with the tenants of what you're saying, but you have to step back and look at it from a much bigger picture - This is not strictly abuse of Federal power for specific groups, this time by the Left, the next by the Right
- They're all wrong and oppressive (I for one was in favor of Vax choice since the RNA ones were not fully vetted IMO, but I think the Federal government thought it was taking the right position in the crackdown, but again it was wrong); I will say, outside the Fed and Healthcare, there were ways to work around this forced Vax policy of corporations and universities, and maybe some healthcare and Fed, and exempt yourself)

counterpoint: Nick Rolovich, who was mocked on this board for trying to use a religious exemption even though he had broader reasons for not wanting the shot.

NDWarrior, I agree with you that both sides have abused power historically, and one abuse doesn’t excuse another. And that’s exactly why this is important: once the precedent is accepted, the next administration doesn’t need to invent new tools; they simply inherit and abuse them.

But, good intentions vs authoritarianism is irrelevant. Civil liberties aren’t contingent on intent; they exist to restrain government when intent is rationalized as ‘for your own good.’

Left/right/center. Doesn't matter. I warned against normalization of civil liberty infringement. If citizens only protest civil liberty violations when it affects them, the pendulum will continue to swing harder. The point isn’t equivalence of scale; it’s equivalence of principle.

Both sides are behaving badly.

2) Branding the Trans population as NVE is not just an isolated incident taking advantage of the Charlie Rich assassination in an isolated manner.
- Trump and the very large team of Constitutional and Legal experts are targeting groups, laws, institutions (as Bannon was recorded saying today "dismantle the institutions" so that "the Democrats can never steal the vote again like in 2020!") so as to neuter them as ineffective and never allow any other party to win any govt branch elections, ever again and that is their stated goal
- All we need to do is see Project 2025 and listen to guys like Bannon, Kevin Roberts, Russell Vought, Stephen Miller, JD Vance, DJT himself to know what the plan and goals are
- If DJT and his admin have their way, there won't be any future opportunities for any other party like the Democrats to apply Federal regulations that are oppressive; it will be done continually by the Trump admin because there will be no opposition to stop them or entity with the ability to counter this authoritarian regime - Capisce?

You lost me here. You really think the Trump admin is going to try to outlaw elections and institute permanent authoritarianism with no opposition? This is doomsday porn.

So we're really going to do the whole Biden vax mandate was horrible (was struck down after 3 months). Thus giving you a carte blanche to frame every injustice as just as bad because for 3 months there was a federal government mandate from Biden that was struck down.


Well you see folks, I am a real life adult and I believe that because Joe Biden had a vaccine mandate (arguably good), my ability to process anything is blinded by that very event.

Oh, so how many months should it have been minimum before my complaint is valid?

Hey, ChatGPT, what are the signs of fascism?
"Fascism is a political system where:

• One leader or party holds total power over the government.
• Individual freedoms are suppressed in favor of obedience to the state.
• Dissent is not tolerated — opposition parties, free press, or criticism are silenced.
• Nationalism and identity (often tied to race, culture, or tradition) are glorified above all else.
• Violence and force are accepted tools to control society and maintain power."

Hey, ChatGPT, could any of the biden administration responses to covid fit one of the five bullets you listed?
Yes. Some Biden administration responses to COVID fit at least two of those five fascism traits:

• Suppression of individual freedoms → vaccine and mask mandates limited personal choice by tying compliance to jobs, travel, and access to services.
• Dissent not tolerated → criticism of COVID policies was often censored, flagged, or branded as extremist, even when it was peaceful speech.

So while the administration as a whole was not “fascist,” certain responses did align with those specific traits.

Hey ChatGPT, how long can someone enact or support one or more of these before they are a fascist?
"The moment you normalize even one of those traits as acceptable in governing, you’ve already stepped onto the path of fascism."

Hey, ChatGPT, if someone dismisses any one of these violations because it was only for 3 months, what would you say?
"Three months of violating rights is still a violation — temporary tyranny doesn’t get a free pass. If you can shrug off a rights violation because it was short, you’re not defending liberty — you’re excusing oppression."

Hey, ChatGPT, can someone support any of these points, even for a 3 month period, and not be at least partly a fascist?
"If you’re willing to back censorship, suppression, or state control — even for 3 months — you’re at least lending support to fascism, whether you wear the label or not."

Hey, ChatGPT, what if the person doesn't think that the biden covid measures were at all authoritarian of fascist?
"Then they’re basically admitting their standard for liberty is conditional — they’ll call out authoritarianism when it targets them, but excuse it when it’s aimed at someone else."

Hey, toronto, sup?

The victim complex is incredible.

Classic toronto. Dismiss civil liberties infringement as a ‘victim complex.’ Much easier than addressing the actual argument.

 

[TorontoGold]

You are allowed to feel however you want to feel. If you would like to argue each and every government action on the basis of "well there is no measure for liberties!" then I can't help you. Trump wants to list trans people as terrorists? Vax mandates. Restriction of media content? Vax mandates. I can drum up some random civil liberty infringements and the next time someone posts something on here I'll just spam them with "Well, you see, Sally was held for questioning by 1 additional hour. So therefore, President Newsom is allowed to draft all of Mississippi into the Commune to farm for the Blue States. Sorry you didn't care about Sally, so I don't care about you!".

"Were the vaccine mandates that Biden's administration tried to enforce, fascist?"

ChatGPT said:​

That depends on how one defines fascism.

What Biden’s Administration Did​

The Biden administration in 2021 attempted to impose COVID-19 vaccination requirements on several groups:

• Federal employees and contractors (executive authority).
• Healthcare workers in Medicare/Medicaid facilities (through CMS regulations).
• Large private employers (100+ workers) via OSHA’s emergency temporary standard.

The last one (the OSHA mandate) was struck down by the Supreme Court in NFIB v. OSHA (2022), while the healthcare mandate was upheld, and the federal worker mandate was later rescinded.

Why Some Call Them “Fascist”​

• Perceived authoritarianism: Opponents argued that forcing private citizens and businesses to follow a nationwide health directive under threat of job loss resembled authoritarian overreach.
• State–corporate power: Some critics equated the use of OSHA to pressure businesses with a merger of state and corporate authority, which in political theory is sometimes associated with fascism.
• Suppression of choice: Detractors felt individual bodily autonomy was disregarded.

Why Most Scholars Wouldn’t​

• Legal/constitutional process: Fascism is generally defined as a far-right ultranationalist movement that rejects democracy, uses violence, and abolishes pluralism. Biden’s mandates were implemented through regulatory and legal channels, subject to judicial review (and partly struck down)—hallmarks of a functioning constitutional democracy.
• Temporary, not systemic: The mandates were specific, time-bound public health measures during a declared emergency, not a permanent restructuring of government or society.
• Scope: They didn’t abolish elections, political opposition, or press freedoms—the hallmarks of fascism.

Balanced View​

• Authoritarian in flavor? Yes, many critics would say so—because they restricted personal freedom in the name of collective health.
• Fascist in the strict sense? No, most political scientists would say the mandates don’t meet the historical or scholarly definition of fascism.

👉 A fairer description would be “authoritarian public-health regulation”, not fascism.

Sup? Which argument seems stronger? I've addressed your antivax stance 1000 times. If you want to continue arguing that it is fascism or continue down this path by all means. Just know, you are the one who brought up this antivax shit again and continued on with ChatGPT - so when you get frustrated and cry "omggggg vortex" this was all your doing.

 

[sixstar]

You are allowed to feel however you want to feel. If you would like to argue each and every government action on the basis of "well there is no measure for liberties!" then I can't help you. Trump wants to list trans people as terrorists? Vax mandates. Restriction of media content? Vax mandates. I can drum up some random civil liberty infringements and the next time someone posts something on here I'll just spam them with "Well, you see, Sally was held for questioning by 1 additional hour. So therefore, President Newsom is allowed to draft all of Mississippi into the Commune to farm for the Blue States. Sorry you didn't care about Sally, so I don't care about you!".

Thanks for the dramatics and hyperbole. Dismissing real infringements with cartoonish strawmen just proves you don’t want to address the principle. Spin baby spin!

"Were the vaccine mandates that Biden's administration tried to enforce, fascist?"

ChatGPT said:​

That depends on how one defines fascism.

woops. You didn't ask ChatGPT to define fascism, so ChatGPT answered holistically. you also didn't ask it to forget previous discussions or remove political spin. If you don't erase memory, it will answer on past bias. learn2prompt.

 

[NDWarrior]

Truth!

That's nice and his grief seems genuine, but his recounting of things has nothing to do with there being no solid evidence and substantiation of the alleged shooter. All is very sus at this point, so with no solid evidence - all circumstantial - we're allowed to speculate.

 

[TorontoGold]

Thanks for the dramatics and hyperbole. Dismissing real infringements with cartoonish strawmen just proves you don’t want to address the principle. Spin baby spin!



woops. You didn't ask ChatGPT to define fascism, so ChatGPT answered holistically. you also didn't ask it to forget previous discussions or remove political spin. If you don't erase memory, it will answer on past bias. learn2prompt.

I am glad you know what dramatics and hyperbole are, you may feel kind of weird now because you'll now realize you've trying to convince everyone that a vaccine mandate was fascism!

The principle is stupid. There was a once in a lifetime pandemic that killed over a million people in the US. I am continually grateful for Trump's response in getting Operation Warp speed up and running. If you would like to call Biden a fascist by all means go ahead, continue to make that case.

Past bias? Buddy, I use chatgpt to find me specific IFRS citations and SEC regulations. lmao you think I'm spending time talking politics with ChatGPT? Jesus fucking christ.

 

[NDWarrior]

Scale has nothing to do with it. Civil liberties aren’t graded on a curve.

It absolutely does, when it means the potential end of democracy

counterpoint: Nick Rolovich, who was mocked on this board for trying to use a religious exemption even though he had broader reasons for not wanting the shot.

NDWarrior, I agree with you that both sides have abused power historically, and one abuse doesn’t excuse another. And that’s exactly why this is important: once the precedent is accepted, the next administration doesn’t need to invent new tools; they simply inherit and abuse them.

But yet they have, maybe Donnie uses EO like any president, but he's done and abused so much more than that....

But, good intentions vs authoritarianism is irrelevant. Civil liberties aren’t contingent on intent; they exist to restrain government when intent is rationalized as ‘for your own good.’

Absolutely, but authoritarianism is a big one since as you say, the other side can at least right the wrong by winning the mid terms or next elections; with authoritarianism, that can no longer happen - Amirite?

Left/right/center. Doesn't matter. I warned against normalization of civil liberty infringement. If citizens only protest civil liberty violations when it affects them, the pendulum will continue to swing harder. The point isn’t equivalence of scale; it’s equivalence of principle.

Both sides are behaving badly.

Left/right/center. Doesn't matter. I warned against normalization of civil liberty infringement. If citizens only protest civil liberty violations when it affects them, the pendulum will continue to swing harder. The point isn’t equivalence of scale; it’s equivalence of principle.

Both sides are behaving badly.

Perhaps, but you said it, the pendulum will continue to swing harder, to the point, where Donnie and admin have grabbed the damn pendulum and run away with it!

You lost me here. You really think the Trump admin is going to try to outlaw elections and institute permanent authoritarianism with no opposition? This is doomsday porn.

Maybe outlaw elections, but it can actually be that he wants the elections for show but then calls out corrupted elections and says they cannot be honored. Whether he cancels the election or invalidates the results. he's looking to keep power doing whatever it takes; to think otherwise at this point, is highly naive my friend. I will give you an "A" for your use of the term "doomsday porn!"

👉 A fairer description would be “authoritarian public-health regulation”, not fascism.

Agreed, it may not yet be full-blown Fascism but is getting there. Definitely pretty much an Authoritarian regime at this point.

 

[NDWarrior]

Truth!



And that's why I say Tyler Robinsons is Dead Man Walking. There is no way in Hell if they want to pin this assassination on this kid, they can let him with a Defense lawyer, tell his side of the story and challenge their alleged narrative.

- It is reported that he hasn't even been assigned a Defense lawyer yet (strange) and that at the earliest there may be a preliminary hearing on 9/29
- They would never want him to talk and expose their set up. So they will off him and call it the perfunctory "suicide" and the video will of course be missing or have missing portions; or he will be killed by a "devout Charlie Kirk follower," allowed to get close enough to kill him, a la LH Oswald style
- I'm pretty sure even that shot of him in protected cell in prison and where he answered only his name on Tuesday was recorded and played back to make it sound like he was emotionless and simply answered with his name

You guys can laugh but all the evidence is very circumstantial at this point, so I can speculate all I want.

Don't underestimate how much Radical Left Antifa and Charlie murdered for his free speech and White Christianity sentiment the admin has now centered on their Gay Shooter / Trans / NVE narrative.

They can't walk anything back for this so he's a goner IMO because if he talks and exposes anything as wrong, well this admin won't let that happen...

 

[sixstar]

Warrior, three questions for you:

1. Is it possible for a person to be 100% good or 100% bad?
2. What percent bad do you rate Donald Trump?
3. For the percent that is good, if any, what do you admire about him?

 

[SportsingHard]

Truth!



And that's why I say Tyler Robinsons is Dead Man Walking. There is no way in Hell if they want to pin this assassination on this kid, they can let him with a Defense lawyer, tell his side of the story and challenge their alleged narrative.

- It is reported that he hasn't even been assigned a Defense lawyer yet (strange) and that at the earliest there may be a preliminary hearing on 9/29
- They would never want him to talk and expose their set up. So they will off him and call it the perfunctory "suicide" and the video will of course be missing or have missing portions; or he will be killed by a "devout Charlie Kirk follower," allowed to get close enough to kill him, a la LH Oswald style
- I'm pretty sure even that shot of him in protected cell in prison and where he answered only his name on Tuesday was recorded and played back to make it sound like he was emotionless and simply answered with his name

I'm confused. Are you suggesting the killer is innocent?

As to court-appointed attorneys, they're not automatic. You have to say:
1) You don't have an attorney
2) Aren't making arrangements to get one
3) Want one
4) Can't afford one

 

[sixstar]

based.

 

[SportsingHard]

Stay safe Colorado

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/fbi-readies-new-war-on-trans-people

Ugh. The left has a horrible habit of conflating gender idealogists (mostly assholes and morons who are quite comfortable with their own biological sex) with transfolk, to whatever degree this conflation serves their agenda, and although the Culture Wars are very real, Trump is declaring "real" war on neither. Again, dumbass leftists insist that "words are actual violence" so Kirk had it coming, but this doesn't make it so.

Transfolk are relatively innocent pawns in the whole game. The left reaches out to the homeliest, least popular, most emotionally stunted youth and says, "If you only pretend to be the sex you're not, we'll shower you with love, attention, support, the highest of admiration, and the fiercest of protection until the end of time, along with the adamant story that you've been horribly mistreated since the literal day you were born." It's no wonder that so many take them up on it.

 

[NDWarrior]

Warrior, three questions for you:

1. Is it possible for a person to be 100% good or 100% bad?
2. What percent bad do you rate Donald Trump?
3. For the percent that is good, if any, what do you admire about him?

What's the context of your questions? What are you trying to suss out?

 

[NDWarrior]

I'm confused. Are you suggesting the killer is innocent?

As to court-appointed attorneys, they're not automatic. You have to say:
1) You don't have an attorney
2) Aren't making arrangements to get one
3) Want one
4) Can't afford one

Why confused? I'm not a legal expert but news outlets are reporting:

- He appeared in court to face charges and prosecutors in Utah County used an information document to file seven charges against Robinson
- Robinson didn’t enter a plea during Tuesday’s hearing and will remain in custody without bail for the time being
- The court is working on appointing him an attorney in time for the next hearing at the end of September
- The hearing marks the beginning of a long road to trial in state court while federal prosecutors consider their options for charges
- The information document is a formal accusation filed by a prosecutor that requires the court to hold a preliminary hearing at a later date, when a judge will determine if there is enough evidence to move forward with charges.
- “The purpose of the preliminary hearing is not to determine guilt, but simply to assure the court that the prosecution has enough evidence to proceed to trial,” the county attorney said on Tuesday
- In some circumstances, a defendant can waive a preliminary hearing, but it is not clear if Robinson will go this route
- A waiver hearing in Robinson’s case is scheduled for September 29
- A plea won’t be entered unless a judge rules the preliminary hearing showed there is enough evidence in the case to move forward
- If prosecutors are able to get an indictment from a grand jury on the state charges, they will no longer need to have a preliminary hearing and would skip that step
- Prosecutors haven’t indicated if they are pursuing this option, but grand jury proceedings are secret and not able to be made public before an indictment is filed
- While the Justice Department considered bringing federal charges against Robinson as early as last Friday, according to two sources familiar with the matter, nothing has yet materialized - Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said the department is still considering the matter
- “There’s not that many murder charges that are federal,” Blanche said. “... If there’s not a federal charge, we’re gonna do everything we can to support Utah and make sure that they get everything they need from us...”
- Per the Justice Department, Federal prosecutors are also not able to bring a hate crime charge against Robinson. Hate crime can only be used for specific protected classes, like a victim’s perceived or actual race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability
- As of Tuesday, there is no word on whether a decision has been made, and it is unclear whether any federal charges would be in addition to or would replace state charges

The Federal government is not really getting the hate crime angle and more importantly, this case is being slow played; how long does it take to appoint him an attorney? I'm no legal expert, but why is his family not helping with getting him a lawyer.

My main point is that despite the above slow-moving legal process and lack for hate crime, DJT and his cabinet jumped all over it as such immediately.
And yet, there are likely weeks if not months for things to play out. They have this kid locked down and we know nothing and have heard nothing.
IMO, he's very vulnerable now to be off'd to lock in the guilty narrative and keep Kirk enshrined as a martyr and saint in perpetuity which DJT and his team love.
This kid is in danger...

 

[sixstar]

What's the context of your questions? What are you trying to suss out?

Simple questions. Just curious on your thoughts. Not trying to suss anything out.

 

[drayer54]

- It is reported that he hasn't even been assigned a Defense lawyer yet (strange) and that at the earliest there may be a preliminary hearing on 9/29

It’s actually far from strange. Public defenders are hard to find in most places and typically underpaid, so cities often can’t keep those roles filled and end up paying a base rate to private attorneys to cover the gap. That process is never fast. Honestly, I’m more surprised some prominent left-wing fame-chaser hasn’t already jumped on this one.

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[drayer54]

Does this count?

 

[drayer54]

We need both sides to calm down.

 

[drayer54]

We need both sides to calm down.

 

[Bishop2b5]

We need both sides to calm down.

The man suspected of firing 3 shots into the window of an ABC affiliate in California after the Kimmel decision is a former teacher's union legislative director whose X feed is full of far-left rhetoric encouraging escalation.

Wow, who could've seen that coming?

 

[NDWarrior]

We need both sides to calm down.

Wow, who could've seen that coming?

Fake news... Paid actor

 

[SportsingHard]

One of Kirk's problems was that he was too harsh toward the far right (sic.) He was generally far more respectful when dealing with left wing extremism. Far-right homophobes are children, and they are to be gently but firmly corrected like children.

Video link:

353K views · 336 reactions | Despite his strong faith, Charlie Kirk still respected those who saw love differently than he did. Watch him call out a young man for saying gays have no place in the conservative movement. It’s a clip the left doesn’t want you to see. #charliekirk #politics #truth | Kerri Lane

 

[GATTACA!]

We need both sides to calm down.

Wow, who could've seen that coming?

Failed Republican candidate jailed for 80 years over gun attacks on Democrats' homes
Totally one sided.

 

[ulukinatme]

Thought this video was neat

 

[SportsingHard]

Failed Republican candidate jailed for 80 years over gun attacks on Democrats' homes
Totally one sided.

Yeah, you're right. You're living proof that snowflakes don't need to chill out. At all.