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NumbersGuy0520 said:
This is exactly where I’m losing faith. There are obviously no guarantees in football. On any given failed play you can point to failed execution, but you still have to put your players in the best position to succeed; that’s one of your many jobs as a head coach and OC, and I think it’s where we failed the most this year. There is an obvious difference in odds of execution between, say, a designed run up the middle on 3rd and 15 versus a throw past the sticks, even if both plays result in a punt and on both plays you “failed to execute”. Similarly, never running PA simply ain’t it.

Most of this is probably the fault of our favorite OC. But MFMF is doing absolutely nothing to make us confident that he’s aware of what needs changed. This’ll only cause more unrest (as we’re seeing play out rn) and make his own seat ever so slightly hotter.
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Bingo. When was the last time we schemed someone wide open?
 
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Clemson Scored 31 points vs ND. You know what teams held them to less than that this year

Duke--Scored 28 and had 4 three and outs all game with multiple long drives that ate clock and gave the D a breather.
FSU --See above almost the same stats.
Miami--3 three and outs with multiple long drives. 1 was over 9 minutes and 3 were over 5 minutes.
Wake-- 3 three and out multiple nice drives that ate up clock and gave D a rest.
NC State-- 7 three and outs did have a pick 6.

They scored 31 vs cuse and 42 vs georgia tech. Cuse 4 turnovers and 1 decent drive. GT--4 turnovers and one PIck 6.

Yeah our O played bad vs clemson, but so did our D for almost 3 quarters. ND Offense--7 three and outs 2 INT's 1 was a pick 6.

The D has been better than the O in big games all season though. Freeman just seems like a coach challenging his coaches to figure it out, but not able to help them. He also hired an OC that clearly can NOT figure it out.
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See above for a decent breakdown. The D gave up 7 in the second have while the offense had like 5 drives that were a minute long. No rest, gotta keep fighting to give the offense the ball back and they do nothing with it. A good defense is a good offense....ND's D was not the problem against Clemson.
 
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NumbersGuy0520 said:
This is exactly where I’m losing faith. There are obviously no guarantees in football. On any given failed play you can point to failed execution, but you still have to put your players in the best position to succeed; that’s one of your many jobs as a head coach and OC, and I think it’s where we failed the most this year. There is an obvious difference in odds of execution between, say, a designed run up the middle on 3rd and 15 versus a throw past the sticks, even if both plays result in a punt and on both plays you “failed to execute”. Similarly, never running PA simply ain’t it.

Most of this is probably the fault of our favorite OC. But MFMF is doing absolutely nothing to make us confident that he’s aware of what needs changed. This’ll only cause more unrest (as we’re seeing play out rn) and make his own seat ever so slightly hotter.
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It's exactly why freeman's defense was failing early in 2021 and Kelly had to force him to change it. He ran a scheme that demanded his players be able to do so much and we didn't have the right players to fit it or close to enough time to have it ready for game.

He was drawing up plays he thought woudl work but not putting his players in the best position to succeed. Think about how much early in 2021 (really the first 2 games) where Foskey and Ademilola were playing in a drop LB role, not disguised, literally in a lb position pre snap. Just way too much thinking for your two top pass rushers that season, and not having them in a spot where they could be successful. We're seeing it again this year. We're not setting up our offense to utilize our best weapons and cover up our deficiencies.
 
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EvilleIrish said:
Bingo. When was the last time we schemed someone wide open?
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We actually have twice recently, Rico vs Pitt first play of second half, and rico vs clemson. I know pitt was a PA, clemson might have been as well.

You can't scheme people open every play, especially 3rd and long. But how we aren't getting Tobias/Faison/Tyree open downfield when clemson was in a single high safety all game first and second down is besides me. There's downfield concepts that would help to get them open, yet we just run go routes with greathouse, rico, and tobias. No moves, no deception, very easy to defend.

There's no guarantee the plays that will help get someone open will work, heck the oline could screw up and allow pressure because they take time to develop. But we had no chance of marching 90 yds down the field dink and dunking vs clemson yet we only ever threw downfield on 3rd and long.

Think of the long pass to tobias vs pitt. That concept would have been there vs clemson first down but we didn't run it once. Heck we didn't play faison first half at all.
 
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NumbersGuy0520 said:


Now play actions are only worthwhile when they’re guaranteed? Damn, MF, I’m starting to lose faith here.

He either genuinely believes that running play action isn’t worthwhile for us (very concerning - the stats show they’ve been good for us this year), or he knows but he’s refusing to admit they’re wrong (also concerning).

You can sack up and admit we’re floundering on offense - pointing to examples of what’s wrong would at least give confidence that we’re aware of the issues + might have fixes in place. But this whole “we’re doing things right, just poor execution” bit is getting extremely fucking old.
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PutuporShutup said:
We actually have twice recently, Rico vs Pitt first play of second half, and rico vs clemson. I know pitt was a PA, clemson might have been as well.

You can't scheme people open every play, especially 3rd and long. But how we aren't getting Tobias/Faison/Tyree open downfield when clemson was in a single high safety all game first and second down is besides me. There's downfield concepts that would help to get them open, yet we just run go routes with greathouse, rico, and tobias. No moves, no deception, very easy to defend.

There's no guarantee the plays that will help get someone open will work, heck the oline could screw up and allow pressure because they take time to develop. But we had no chance of marching 90 yds down the field dink and dunking vs clemson yet we only ever threw downfield on 3rd and long.

Think of the long pass to tobias vs pitt. That concept would have been there vs clemson first down but we didn't run it once. Heck we didn't play faison first half at all.
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Our only passing concepts that seemed to hit against Clemson were shallow crossers...but we also stopped running those in the 4th for some reason.
 
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BeauBenken said:
Our only passing concepts that seemed to hit against Clemson were shallow crossers...but we also stopped running those in the 4th for some reason.
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Yep, had a penalty on greathouse on one and stopped

Faison was smoking Clemson d when in and was open a bunch his few plays
 
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Yep, had a penalty on greathouse on one and stopped

Faison was smoking Clemson d when in and was open a bunch his few plays
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Yep. He's fun to watch. He plays like a lacrosse player, meaning he's great at running to open space. I watched many times when Merriweather and other WRs would complete their route and basically just camp out and sit there despite being covered. Faison runs to open space. When Faison makes the reception, he a has a knack for running to open space. He's a great get, is fun to watch, and more than worthy of his football scholarship.
 
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forkbeard3777 said:
Yep. He's fun to watch. He plays like a lacrosse player, meaning he's great at running to open space. I watched many times when Merriweather and other WRs would complete their route and basically just camp out and sit there despite being covered. Faison runs to open space. When Faison makes the reception, he a has a knack for running to open space. He's a great get, is fun to watch, and more than worthy of his football scholarship.
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That’s a really good way to put it.
I don’t know lacrosse but my kids play soccer and hockey which are kind of similar, and they’re taught those concepts at a fairly young age. Find space, run to where the ball/puck is going.

Football is so much more structured; you’re taught to run your route. But there’s room for a little bit of improv (not too much, obvs) as well.
 
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NumbersGuy0520 said:


Now play actions are only worthwhile when they’re guaranteed? Damn, MF, I’m starting to lose faith here.

He either genuinely believes that running play action isn’t worthwhile for us (very concerning - the stats show they’ve been good for us this year), or he knows but he’s refusing to admit they’re wrong (also concerning).

You can sack up and admit we’re floundering on offense - pointing to examples of what’s wrong would at least give confidence that we’re aware of the issues + might have fixes in place. But this whole “we’re doing things right, just poor execution” bit is getting extremely fucking old.
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Can NFL Coaches Overuse Play-Action? They Haven’t Yet.

Across the league in 2018, quarterbacks with at least 100 pass attempts average 1.39 yards per attempt more out of play-action than they do on all other plays. This pattern of play-action success holds true for every year that we have data.

Those smart NFL teams should also pay attention to exactly how they use the play-action. According to the Sports Info Solutions data, passes thrown 7 yards deep or less are caught less frequently on play-action than on other passes. This could be because defenders have moved toward the line of scrimmage and are in better position to make a play on the ball. Play-action is only more effective than other passes when the ball travels at least 8 yards in the air — over the head of the linebackers who’ve been fooled.
 
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Grahambo said:
Can NFL Coaches Overuse Play-Action? They Haven’t Yet.

Across the league in 2018, quarterbacks with at least 100 pass attempts average 1.39 yards per attempt more out of play-action than they do on all other plays. This pattern of play-action success holds true for every year that we have data.

Those smart NFL teams should also pay attention to exactly how they use the play-action. According to the Sports Info Solutions data, passes thrown 7 yards deep or less are caught less frequently on play-action than on other passes. This could be because defenders have moved toward the line of scrimmage and are in better position to make a play on the ball. Play-action is only more effective than other passes when the ball travels at least 8 yards in the air — over the head of the linebackers who’ve been fooled.
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It’s also empirically true for ND this year, but yet we’ve since gone away from it.

 
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Are we getting punked? This is an actual quote from freeman today


“As I told the offensive staff, a lot of teams have changed up what they’ve done the last few games previously on film to what they’re doing in the game. So we have to be prepared to see a lot of man coverage, to see a lot of press. If they continue to do what they do, we have a plan. But we also have a great plan for adjustments if they don’t do what they’e always shown on film.”


He’s pretty much saying they weren’t prepared for teams to play a lot of press man vs us because they don’t as much vs other teams. But he’s going to make sure the offensive staff knows to prepare for press man now. Phew 😮‍💨

This is just insane. Every team has defended us very similar since OSU. Why? Because we run the same stuff every game and will run into loaded fronts and have no good wrs or wr concepts to get them open. Plus our tendencies with personnel and formations are obvious .
 
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Giddyup said:
Good OC?? Andy Ludwig is not worth that cost. He’s ass without Rising
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Well well, I beg to differ. He might not be an offensive genius like Riley, but he's pretty good and beats the hell out of our current OC. I am convinced that he would have gotten more out of Hartman and the receiving corps and that it would have resulted in 2 fewer losses, namely Clemson and Ohio State. Those two losses fall squarely on Parker and Freeman's offensive offense.
 
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NDQuebec said:
Well well, I beg to differ. He might not be an offensive genius like Riley, but he's pretty good and beats the hell out of our current OC. I am convinced that he would have gotten more out of Hartman and the receiving corps and that it would have resulted in 2 fewer losses, namely Clemson and Ohio State. Those two losses fall squarely on Parker and Freeman's offensive offense.
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Yeah I dont think "he doesn't replicate results with his good qb's backup" means what he thinks it does
 
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His new house is almost done being built. I cant wait till we become neighborhood besties.
 
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PutuporShutup said:
Can you inform him that everyone on this board tells me i should interview and coach on the ND staff since I know the game so well. They never use italics. I won't come cheap, but they can afford it!
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Look, I have talent but I'm not a miracle worker.
 
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GrangerIrish24 said:
We can discuss play action over some delicious Hacienda.
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Or if you play some street football with the kids, including his, just call play action every play and really over sell it.

Or maybe if you don't have a dog or cat, say you do, and it's name is "play action", cause you never see it.
 
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PutuporShutup said:
Or if you play some street football with the kids, including his, just call play action every play and really over sell it.

Or maybe if you don't have a dog or cat, say you do, and it's name is "play action", cause you never see it.
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I feel like this will ruin my invite to the cookouts
 
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