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greyhammer90

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Congrats!

One point on the bolded...Passage rates are essentially an indication as to how smart the kids are that go to a particular school.

True with limitations of being within Tier 1 and 2. There are also some really crap law schools out there that teach bar prep the whole three years and who hang their hats on bar passage rates. Tennessee for instance has Belmont Law, which consistently scores higher than University of Tennessee and sometimes Vanderbilt in the Tennessee Bar passage rates.
 

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True with limitations of being within Tier 1 and 2. There are also some really crap law schools out there that teach bar prep the whole three years and who hang their hats on bar passage rates. Tennessee for instance has Belmont Law, which consistently scores higher than University of Tennessee and sometimes Vanderbilt in the Tennessee Bar passage rates.

Yeah good clarification.
 

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Howdy fellas,

So I'm getting financial stuff sorted out for this fall....AKA loans.

Would you guys think it's smart or dumb to borrow the full cost of attendance? Is there some magic formula to figuring out how much to borrow or anything? Do they tend to overestimate the amount it actually cost to go?

Any information would be most welcome. Have a great day!
 

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True with limitations of being within Tier 1 and 2. There are also some really crap law schools out there that teach bar prep the whole three years and who hang their hats on bar passage rates. Tennessee for instance has Belmont Law, which consistently scores higher than University of Tennessee and sometimes Vanderbilt in the Tennessee Bar passage rates.

How do you think Belmont compares to Cooley?
 

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Your boy NorthDakota has had two finals. Torts and Civ Pro. I can tell you guys Torts is lame as hell. Civ Pro is kinda fun. Got a contracts midterm to wrap things up left.

Next semester is Criminal law, Con law, Property, and the second half of Contracts.

This entire thing has been a kick in the ass. I knew the stereotypes of having to work hard and read a lot but really didn't fully appreciate it. This has been wild. Enjoying it though.
 

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Well folks, I am applying to transfer to Notre Dame. I considered throwing an application at Minnesota as well but I'm a bit reluctant to get to close to Minneapolis. I think the likelihood of success here is pretty low, but it never hurts to try. I was able to get one very highly respected member of our faculty to give me a letter of recommendation and snagged another solid one as well.

One thing I'm really curious about is what kind of weight they are putting on grades. We only had two grades from the first semester and I was right at the 1L mean. Most schools including mine went to P/F second semester because of the 'Rona so I'm curious how schools will be reviewing transfer applications as a result. They won't really have a very good view of applicants in terms of academic performance.

I'm pretty sure the only way I can get in is by nailing the personal statement, hoping they are impressed with the letters of recommendation, and that they are more than happy to take a large sum of money from me via full tuition for two years. It probably doesn't hurt that I have a pretty good internship for the summer.

Either way, I'm fine. I'm in a pretty good situation where I'm at, but Notre Dame is A.) Notre Dame and B.) is in the heart of the geographic region I want to end up. Light a candle for your boy NoDak.
 

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Well folks, I am applying to transfer to Notre Dame. I considered throwing an application at Minnesota as well but I'm a bit reluctant to get to close to Minneapolis. I think the likelihood of success here is pretty low, but it never hurts to try. I was able to get one very highly respected member of our faculty to give me a letter of recommendation and snagged another solid one as well.

One thing I'm really curious about is what kind of weight they are putting on grades. We only had two grades from the first semester and I was right at the 1L mean. Most schools including mine went to P/F second semester because of the 'Rona so I'm curious how schools will be reviewing transfer applications as a result. They won't really have a very good view of applicants in terms of academic performance.

I'm pretty sure the only way I can get in is by nailing the personal statement, hoping they are impressed with the letters of recommendation, and that they are more than happy to take a large sum of money from me via full tuition for two years. It probably doesn't hurt that I have a pretty good internship for the summer.

Either way, I'm fine. I'm in a pretty good situation where I'm at, but Notre Dame is A.) Notre Dame and B.) is in the heart of the geographic region I want to end up. Light a candle for your boy NoDak.

Best of luck NoDak!! Wishing you success on your journey.

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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Best of luck NoDak!! Wishing you success on your journey.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Well, I got my transfer rejection letter today. Not going to lie, it sucks. Really would have liked to have a shot at attending Notre Dame Law. I think it would have been a good fit but obviously they know what they are looking for so no hard feelings.

On the other hand, I did my best and I'm at a perfectly good school that should hopefully set me up for a good career in the legal profession. Just a bit worried I might be pigeonholed geographically now, at least coming out of school. We are the definition of a regional school so I may be on the East Coast longer than I want to be.

I suppose we'll see what happens. Damn.
 

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Well, I got my transfer rejection letter today. Not going to lie, it sucks. Really would have liked to have a shot at attending Notre Dame Law. I think it would have been a good fit but obviously they know what they are looking for so no hard feelings.

On the other hand, I did my best and I'm at a perfectly good school that should hopefully set me up for a good career in the legal profession. Just a bit worried I might be pigeonholed geographically now, at least coming out of school. We are the definition of a regional school so I may be on the East Coast longer than I want to be.

I suppose we'll see what happens. Damn.

Ah bummer! Don’t let it get you down though. You’re super smart and the degree only matters for your first job out of school. Once you prove yourself you can go anywhere. Good talent is hard to find, despite how many law grads there are every year.

What kind of law do you want to practice?
 

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Ah bummer! Don’t let it get you down though. You’re super smart and the degree only matters for your first job out of school. Once you prove yourself you can go anywhere. Good talent is hard to find, despite how many law grads there are every year.

What kind of law do you want to practice?

I think something business or financy but I'm open minded. I'll get a better idea over the next semester or two I reckon.
 

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The summer between 2L and 3L is a critical period for a law career.
It is really the ONLY opportunity to show valuable full-time legal experience before the search for permanent employment during 3L.
For employers, it doesn´t matter what kind of law, but how hard the candidate went at the practice of law, the contribution made to the summer employer and the commitment shown - a full-time, ignore-everything-else, stay-focused commitment.
It is a fleeting opportunity that many rising 3Ls (competitors) have seized.
 

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Law career counselor with some frank talk:

"The … summer position an attorney gets is often more important than their grades to their ultimate career direction".

"Legal hiring organizations hire summer associates because they want to get a sense of your work ethic, how you are likely to get along with other attorneys…"

" I must note that a decision not to clerk for any firm or legal-related organization is not a wise one…This is especially so during a law student's second summer".

https://www.bcgsearch.com/article/60...my-job-search/
 

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This is NOT me asking if I should go. Save your fingers if you are about to type a long paragraph telling me that I should not go to law school. I'm going. I understand the job market and I have worked in law firms and understand that I won't be driving to the courthouse in my Ferrari anytime soon.

I was inspired to make this thread by ChiIrish's bar exam thread, so thanks Chi. You should get your reps in the mail shortly.

Since we seem to have a lot of law school graduates on this board, I was just wondering if anyone had any advice about attending a law school. Is there anything that you wish you had done differently while you were there? Any resources or tips that you took awhile to take advantage of that you wish you had earlier? Any type of law that you wish that you had looked into/ considered more while you were in law school? Any and all advice is welcome.

Thanks for any wisdom you can share.

I would, if National Commission of Professional Education, mandate this:

Do not go directly from undergrad school to Law School, or B school.

Get some experience. Mine, oddly involved a one year government paid "sabbatical" in Southeast Asia.....
 

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I would, if National Commission of Professional Education, mandate this:

Do not go directly from undergrad school to Law School, or B school.

Get some experience. Mine, oddly involved a one year government paid "sabbatical" in Southeast Asia.....

Currently what I'm doing, enjoying the work experience (and the income). Will say that I wish I didn't have to study for the LSAT on top of everything right now, but its probably better than studying for it as an undergrad.
 

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Currently what I'm doing, enjoying the work experience (and the income). Will say that I wish I didn't have to study for the LSAT on top of everything right now, but its probably better than studying for it as an undergrad.

We are each the master and mistresses of our own decisions, but my expectation is that what you are doing now, whatever that may be, will provide context and texture for law school, when, as and if you choose to go there.

You will have "Ahas!" where you fellow, younger students will not.

Meanwhile, "Be Good to Thyself."
 

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Currently what I'm doing, enjoying the work experience (and the income). Will say that I wish I didn't have to study for the LSAT on top of everything right now, but its probably better than studying for it as an undergrad.

I have a pdf cache of about 80 LSAT practice tests if you want them.

I will say one of the bigger things of LSAT prep is training your brain to not wear out during the exam. I'm sure a lot of people on here have a ton of advice on prep.
 

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I have a pdf cache of about 80 LSAT practice tests if you want them.

I will say one of the bigger things of LSAT prep is training your brain to not wear out during the exam. I'm sure a lot of people on here have a ton of advice on prep.

Quit now.
 

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I would, if National Commission of Professional Education, mandate this:

Do not go directly from undergrad school to Law School, or B school.

Get some experience. Mine, oddly involved a one year government paid "sabbatical" in Southeast Asia.....

Feel free to DM me if you'd like to chat. Penn undergrad. EIC of Law Review. I love my current job. When I was clerking for a USDCJ (MDPA), I managed the intern programs--learned a hell of a lot. Always happy to talk with people about law school and the job market.
 

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Feel free to DM me if you'd like to chat. Penn undergrad. EIC of Law Review. I love my current job. When I was clerking for a USDCJ (MDPA), I managed the intern programs--learned a hell of a lot. Always happy to talk with people about law school and the job market.

Tryhard Nerd.
 

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Feel free to DM me if you'd like to chat. Penn undergrad. EIC of Law Review. I love my current job. When I was clerking for a USDCJ (MDPA), I managed the intern programs--learned a hell of a lot. Always happy to talk with people about law school and the job market.

I will, am in the middle of something. Give me a few days.
 

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Irishenvy's favorite son of the Flickertail State passed the Bar. Passing the Bar is not a ton of fun. After the 1st day (written essays) I was convinced I needed to do well on the multiple choice. Turns out I was right lol. Got hit with a perfect storm of essay questions on areas of law I was not prepared for. Looks like I BS'ed enough to let the multiple choice guide me home. Pass rates this year look a bit rough.

Getting sworn in this week. Looking forward to being miserable for the foreseeable future. Thank you to those who provided insight especially early on.
 

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Irishenvy's favorite son of the Flickertail State passed the Bar. Passing the Bar is not a ton of fun. After the 1st day (written essays) I was convinced I needed to do well on the multiple choice. Turns out I was right lol. Got hit with a perfect storm of essay questions on areas of law I was not prepared for. Looks like I BS'ed enough to let the multiple choice guide me home. Pass rates this year look a bit rough.

Getting sworn in this week. Looking forward to being miserable for the foreseeable future. Thank you to those who provided insight especially early on.

Welcome to the pie eating contest! Congrats
 
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