late night chat

[GBdomer]

Ill start this thread for all the night owls like myself to talk about whatever. So far who is your Heisman trophy winner right now? and what has impressed you most about BK and what have you been disappointed with about BK.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Heisman favorite? Too early to tell really. But my top five would be:

1) Robert Griffin III


2) Trent Richardson (trending upward)

3) Russell Wilson
4) LaMichael James (trending upward)
5) Andrew Luck


Most impressive thing about BK:

How complete of a coach he is.

Notre Dame has had some really bad coaching hires the last 15 years and it cost them. Davie just didn't work out, (O'Leary lies,) Willingham was lazy, Weis couldn't run an actual program. Kelly though, manages the entire program with excellence. Top to bottom everything has changed in under two years. A ton of people thought that he couldn't coach a defense and would win games 50-45 all of the time, and they were wrong.

Notre Dame has a legitimate program now and will ascend up to being elite, there is no doubt in my mind. What I really love is the offense against Purdue, that will not be the height but the norm. The Irish have put up 500+ yards of offense three times already this season, and will probably due so three or more times this season. Get used to it people, the Irish are going to start looking like Brian Kelly's teams should...really, really good.

Disappointed with? Nothing really. I can't think of anything that makes me go "well he should have improved that," except maybe the unspeakably horrible tragedy with Sullivan. That will always be there for Kelly. I certainly don't want to push this thread that direction but it will always be there for him.

Overall I'm just really happy to see a real college football coach coaching at Notre Dame.

 

[edgesofsanity]

I can't say I consider myself an expert by any means, but I gotta go with Robert Griffin as well. He's a stud.

The thing about Kelly that has impressed me the most so far has been his aplomb in handling the media and fanbase. While I'm sure most rabid fanbases put pressure on the coach to deliver results, I feel that the atmosphere around ND results in a hotter fire, despite the fact he's only in year 2 with both a new type of offense and defense. And yet he is never flustered in front of the media...

Disappointment? That we're not 4-0 obviously! What the hell is wrong with him anyway?

 

[edgesofsanity]

Oh, and Bluster Bluth has 666 posts. Appropriate for this time of the morning.

 

[GBdomer]

Buster great points. Hope this turns into a good thread.

my Heisman favorites
1. Robert Griffin
2. Russell Wilson
3. Andrew Luck
4. Trent Richardson
5. Marcus Lattimore

I have been Most impressed with Brian Kelly is that i don't think the job has wowed him at all to much. I think the 19 years of being a head coach before he took over at Notre Dame has helped him out a lot. The guy can sell sand to a desert his sales pitch and the way he talks you can just feel the passion. His offense while i wish i was seeing an Oklahoma Oregon type speed he just doesn't have the quarterback to do that yet. I believe he has handled Tommy Rees so the game comes easy to him. A lot of players on this team i don't think Brian Kelly would of ever recruited not saying there not good players but he wouldnt of brought him here just cause he was in the rivals 100. So the way he has been able to mix up his system to match are players strengths have been great. I think Charlie looked at that and offered kids. While I love what Charlie did on offense recruiting the ball you can just tell it wasn't what it needed to be defensively. . Brian Kelly has also impressed me with the sales pitch of Notre Dame and making kids believe that we will win again. Mostly on defense i dont know this but i dont think Charlie Weis would of ever closed with a Niklas, Tuitt, Lynch and Ishaq combo. Amazing for a first class and it will only get better with more wins. Also him bringing in such a great staff that can recruit. Also him bringing Coach Longo has been the most underrated thing about this program. Players look huge and mean.

The dissapoinment i think we can all look at the Declan Sullivan situation but that doesnt need to be talked about. I think landing a stud on the offensive side of the ball and kind of been question for me mainly cause he is known to score 40 points a game. Not saying Atkinson and Mcdaniel and Davaris wont be studs cause they will be. But there's been no Michael Floyd or Jimmy Clausen or Kyle Rudolph so far. Hopefully we can land a Keith Marshall and i will rest my case. The out bursts on the sidelines i am not saying i am in favor of that kind of behavior but I think its needed here to build that mental toughness we need to win. It has been a negative cause we have lost out on a recruit like Cyrus Jones who mention that also maybe even Amara Darboh. Some play calling at the end of the games but its just picky things. Its a different team than it was in years past. I talk with my dad about this all the time he goes to a lot of games and listens a lot about Notre Dame and he keeps telling me it feels like Notre Dame again. It didnt in years past and its starting to feel like it again. We really haven't been good since i have been alive but i am sure a lot of you older guys can relate too it. I believe we have the right man for the job and i dont think the job WOWS Brian Kelly at all. Sorry for writing a novel I just needed to vent.

Looking forward to landing some big time recruits this year. And in the future filling up that trophy case that needs some loving.

Go Irish!

 

[Buster Bluth]

I need to post just to get off of 666. hah

 

[Buster Bluth]

We really haven't been good since i have been alive but i am sure a lot of you older guys can relate too it. I believe we have the right man for the job and i dont think the job WOWS Brian Kelly at all.

I would say the Irish have been inconsistently good (2000, 2002, 2005, 2006), but haven't been great since 1993. History doesn't remember good teams after a while, it only remembers the great teams.

We've just seen a lot of incomplete teams lately. There was always an area of the team that needed serious improvement (e.g. the secondary, speed, run defense, etc) and I think Notre Dame is getting to the point where they are competent and deep at every position (obviously not secondary for 2012). It's really kinda crazy that it took until 2010 to fully recover from the Ty Willingham recruiting.

I like to remind myself that Michigan went fifty freaking years between championships, so we as Irish fans have it easy so far.

 

[Riddickulous]

Heisman Trophy winner - Russell Wilson

Favorite Thing About Kelly - He was supposed to be a carbon copy of Weis (offensive guru who knew nothing about defense) but his focus has been defense from the get-go.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Late night chat? Sounds sexy.

 

[IrishLax]

1. Russel Wilson
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin



3. Trent Richardson
4. Marcus Lattimore
5. LaMichael James

 

[JughedJones]

I think it's kind of funny that Luck isn't #1 on anyone's list.

Come on now guys....seriously.

EDIT: Oops. my bad Lax.

 

[beryirish]

Right now I say Russell Wilson.

RG3 took himself down --- in some eyes out --- with the loss to KSU. He throws a pick to give up the lead and with the spotlight on him goes 4 & Done.

CBK is awesome. The only thing I ever doubted him with was TULSA!!!!

 

[Buster Bluth]

Right now I say Russell Wilson.

RG3 took himself down --- in some eyes out --- with the loss to KSU. He throws a pick to give up the lead and with the spotlight on him goes 4 & Done.

His four games this season have registered quarterback ratings of 250.6, 237.1, 223.9, and 214.7.

That is unbelievable in every sense of the word.

That said Andrew Luck is the best player in college football by a country mile, but that isn't what this award is for.

 

[JughedJones]

His four games this season have registered quarterback ratings of 250.6, 237.1, 223.9, and 214.7.

That is unbelievable in every sense of the word.

That said Andrew Luck is the best player in college football by a country mile, but that isn't what this award is for.

It isn't?

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy Award (usually known colloquially as the Heisman Trophy or the Heisman), is awarded annually to the player deemed the most outstanding player in collegiate football."

Perhaps we're differing on "best" and "most outstanding." I guess there's an argument there.

 

[BobD]

Heisman: Andrew Luck. I'd honestly be shocked if he doesn't win it this year.

Brian Kelly: After two or three National Championship wins, when its time to retire, I think he'll have a statue on campus.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It isn't?

"The Heisman Memorial Trophy Award (usually known colloquially as the Heisman Trophy or the Heisman), is awarded annually to the player deemed the most outstanding player in collegiate football."

Perhaps we're differing on "best" and "most outstanding." I guess there's an argument there.

If you look at who actually wins the Heisman (and who doesn't), it virtually always goes to the best QB or RB on the best team each year; which is frequently not the best player individually.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Well this thread was dissapionting...from the title I thought it would be like 1-900 party chat type rooms....

 

[GBdomer]

I had a lot of hope for my first thread. failed so far.

 

[meowmix]

For Heisman, I predict Russell Wilson (I would predict Luck but I can't stand him - more accurately, I can't stand the media's constant overhyping of him). What I like most about Kelly is how awesome ND is playing in the trenches, building a strong foundation. What I dislike is bad special teams play, way too many penalties, and, aside from a spectacular running game, a plodding offense that does not utilize a lot of the offensive talent on the roster. All will be forgiven if we win out

 

[BeauBenken]

Statistically, I think Robert Griffin III wins the Heisman hands down. If he plays like he has every single game and they don't win from here on out, I still think he deserves it. The kid has (or had at least, I'm not sure of the current situation) more TDs than incomplete passes. That's incredible. End of story.

I'm honestly tired of seeing the Heisman go to a guy who is just a key part to a winning team. In my opinion, that's not what the award is about. It's about going to the most outstanding individual player in the country. I was ticked when CJ Spiller didn't even get invited to the Heisman ceremony. I thought he and Suh were easily the most dynamic players. Not to say Ingram isn't damn good, but to me, Spiller and Suh were just like...WOW.

 

[GBdomer]

Statistically, I think Robert Griffin III wins the Heisman hands down. If he plays like he has every single game and they don't win from here on out, I still think he deserves it. The kid has (or had at least, I'm not sure of the current situation) more TDs than incomplete passes. That's incredible. End of story.

I'm honestly tired of seeing the Heisman go to a guy who is just a key part to a winning team. In my opinion, that's not what the award is about. It's about going to the most outstanding individual player in the country. I was ticked when CJ Spiller didn't even get invited to the Heisman ceremony. I thought he and Suh were easily the most dynamic players. Not to say Ingram isn't damn good, but to me, Spiller and Suh were just like...WOW.

i agree beau. RG3 has been amazing.

 

[calvegas04]

Andrew Luck, the running back from alabama, Boise St. QB, and Russell Wilson are the top 4 then RG3... RG3 is gonna lose a few games this year which will keep him out of serious talks

 

[beryirish]

The "heismanology" guy on ESPN has:

1. Andrew Luck
2. Russell Wilson
3. RG3
4. Trent Richardson
5. Kellon Moore


He says teams in the BCS race have better chances of winning the Heisman than teams in lower tiers.

That's why RG3 is 3rd with Baylor.


Here is the Week 5 Heisman Watch on ESPN

2011 Heisman Watch - Heisman Trophy Candidates - ESPN

 

[GBdomer]

Russell Wilson or RG3 have been most impressive. I hope my Bears get RG3 we need a QB so bad.

 

[NDinFL]

GB, I for one, am ecstatic to have an insider like you. Keep up the good work man, it is much appreciated.

Also, love the idea for the night owl thread, I rarely make it to bed before 3am...

Heisman- Kellen Moore

BK- love how he has such a "command" of this whole program.
He knows which direction we need to go and has put the best people around him to get us there.

 

[irishtrinity]

what about Floyd? he's definatley been doin work...

 

[NDinFL]

what about Floyd? he's definatley been doin work...

IMHO,

while it would be awesome for Mike to win the Heisman.... I just don't see it happening.

Anymore the Heisman is a popularity contest.

Like Beau had stated above, CJ Spiller deserved it more than Ingram...

But, it's a "popularity" contest.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

IMHO,

while it would be awesome for Mike to win the Heisman.... I just don't see it happening.

Anymore the Heisman is a popularity contest.

Like Beau had stated above, CJ Spiller deserved it more than Ingram...

But, it's a "popularity" contest.

More specifically, it's for the best QB or RB on the best team in CFB. It's not really an individual award, and if you're not a QB or RB, your chances of winning are terrible.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think landing a stud on the offensive side of the ball and kind of been question for me mainly cause he is known to score 40 points a game. Not saying Atkinson and Mcdaniel and Davaris wont be studs cause they will be. But there's been no Michael Floyd or Jimmy Clausen or Kyle Rudolph so far. Hopefully we can land a Keith Marshall and i will rest my case.

I think Ben Koyack could end up being this kind of TE. Has the build and the offensive skill set. Just needs some time in the weight room and development form this staff.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think Ben Koyack could end up being this kind of TE. Has the build and the offensive skill set. Just needs some time in the weight room and development form this staff.

He's already the biggest TE on our roster as a true freshman. Much more time in the weight room and they may have to move him to OL.