Kmoose at game? Post game observations vs Navy

[military_irish]

The Irish have the talent. But you are how you play. And today they were average. Take the win, learn from it, and work on getting better. The rest takes care of itself.

Hey, who invited this guy? This team is great

 

[Irish Insanity]

The Irish have the talent. But you are how you play. And today they were average. Take the win, learn from it, and work on getting better. The rest takes care of itself.

Considering the initial post that started this was about recruits and the staff, it was aimed at more than today's one game sample size. It was in the context of since BK was hired. I agree with your comment, but it doesn't relate to the original post or comments objecting to it. You are only as good as your last game, and ours wasn't good.

 

[Irish#1]

I think we can all agree that the performance by the D was a disappointment. They played tentative and never tried to get on the Navy side of the LOS. I watched the game and kept thinking, "How can these other lesser teams stop Navy, but we can't?" We certainly missed Nix. I think Nix was held out just to give him additional rest since it was Navy and Kelly didn't expect Navy to shove it down our throats.

I want to thank Navy for getting cute on the fourth down. When they showed the replay from behind the QB, it looked like the fullback could have got the first down easily. We hadn't stopped it all day, so I have no idea why they went away from it, but again, thank you Navy.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Considering the initial post that started this was about recruits and the staff, it was aimed at more than today's one game sample size. It was in the context of since BK was hired. I agree with your comment, but it doesn't relate to the original post or comments objecting to it. You are only as good as your last game, and ours wasn't good.

Sorry. Didn't mean for my comment to sound smug. Bad games happen from time to time. Getting that talent level to execute every play, every game is the challenge every coaching staff faces. I look at the players for the Irish that are doing that and it appears the younger ones are stepping up and doing that more and more. That should make the Irish Nation happy as those young ones are only going to get better - looking at you Jaylon and Folston.

 

[NDPhilly]

"Average" in BCS conferences in 8-4 not 6-6.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Sorry. Didn't mean for my comment to sound smug. Bad games happen from time to time. Getting that talent level to execute every play, every game is the challenge every coaching staff faces. I look at the players for the Irish that are doing that and it appears the younger ones are stepping up and doing that more and more. That should make the Irish Nation happy as those young ones are only going to get better - looking at you Jaylon and Folston.

Na, we're good. Mine sounded shity and it wan't meant as such.

 

[kmoose]

Are you serious? Our scheme expected the OLB to play both the QB and the pitch and the CB to play both the pitch and wide out. The DL played at least two yards back and they seemed to have played passively by design. Diaco seems utterly clueless planning for the option.

Diaco is a DI-A Defensive Coordinator. His defense, last year, was largely responsible for his team earning a spot in the National Championship Game. Bob Diaco was awarded the Frank Broyles Award, last year. That award goes to the top Assistant Coach in the country. Bob Diaco sees our defense practice, everyday, and is intimately familiar with capabilities of each defensive player. But YOU, well.............. YOU think he is some kind of idiot, huh? What's on your resume, smart guy?

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Diaco is a DI-A Defensive Coordinator. His defense, last year, was largely responsible for his team earning a spot in the National Championship Game. Bob Diaco was awarded the Frank Broyles Award, last year. That award goes to the top Assistant Coach in the country. Bob Diaco sees our defense practice, everyday, and is intimately familiar with capabilities of each defensive player. But YOU, well.............. YOU think he is some kind of idiot, huh? What's on your resume, smart guy?

Exactly! Some teams are harder for certain teams to defend. Just because Duke or some other mediocre teams defended them well doesn't mean that ND's D sucks because we struggled. Look at what our D accomplished against USC and look at what USC did to Oregon State. This is why you play the game. One team may defend a team very well and struggle against weaker opponents and vice versa. Look at how scUM played us and then look at how they played against everyone else. We had a lot of key players out because of injury on D this week, too, and lost a few more during the game.

 

[phgreek]

-run blocking was unreal
-troy was basically a lineman on those linebackers
-hell yeah Koyack!!! way to have potential
-Folston ...yep us fans have felt that's what you bring...thanks for this game especially
-Tommy the 1st one was on accident but the 2nd ouch...really could have been the difference
-def...yep where was it???
-jaylon and hardy...THANK GOD!!!
-xtra special shout out to E. Hardy and Folston for the game
-diaco---wtf, it's bad
-FORGOT-Farley can't tackle and BJ has been exposed about every game
---the noise made in every fan's house when they did the reverse...ohhhhhh shittttt.....f%ck yeah Jaylon
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pretty much agree with all of this...

If you watch 2012 Navy vs. this performance by the D...particularly the D line and corners...the difference is stark and quite frankly...sickening.

We are catching blocks instead of attacking them on the way to our gaps/assignments...[Insert explitive-laced tyraid here].

If I were Diaco I'd be fuming...

...the safeties have their issues too ...hell where do I start...tackling I guess...its one thing to have a bad game...but for crying out loud...find some folks to play safety who will came down hill and wrap up...[Insert explitive-laced tyraid here].

If I were Diaco I'd be fuming...again. I wouldn't want to be in the room with him when he grades this steaming pile...

Offense and Tommy...great performance...BCSish...
Defense, not so good...participation ribonish.
Win is a win...

 

[BGIF]

Diaco is a DI-A Defensive Coordinator. His defense, last year, was largely responsible for his team earning a spot in the National Championship Game. Bob Diaco was awarded the Frank Broyles Award, last year. That award goes to the top Assistant Coach in the country. Bob Diaco sees our defense practice, everyday, and is intimately familiar with capabilities of each defensive player. ...

All true ... last year.

I found this game, particularly Navy's unbalanced line, reminiscent of the 2010 game. We lacked discipline against Navy which is key to defending the triple option and we appeared to have one position cover with dual responsibility.

And even with Nix, Grace, et al., not dressed, we still fielded better defensive talent that Duke, Toledo, W. Kentucky, PIT, etc.

 

[ickythump1225]

All true ... last year.

I found this game, particularly Navy's unbalanced line, reminiscent of the 2010 game. We lacked discipline against Navy which is key to defending the triple option and we appeared to have one position cover with dual responsibility.

And even with Nix, Grace, et al., not dressed, we still fielded better defensive talent that Duke, Toledo, W. Kentucky, PIT, etc.

Better yes...but we had 12 defensive players left at one point. It was a sloppy game but that doesn't magically erase what we did against USC or last week or even the rest of our good defensive performances. Clearly the defense has regressed from last year but it literally couldn't have gone anywhere but done...last year what we did was historic and likely won't ever be repeated.

 

[BGIF]

Better yes...but we had 12 defensive players left at one point. It was a sloppy game but that doesn't magically erase what we did against USC or last week or even the rest of our good defensive performances. Clearly the defense has regressed from last year but it literally couldn't have gone anywhere but done...last year what we did was historic and likely won't ever be repeated.

Who was talking about USC or the rest of the season?

I responded to kmoose's endorsement of Diaco street creds.

kmoose had responded to N D Fighting Irish's post about Diaco being clueless planning for the option.

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Originally Posted by N_D_Fighting_Irish
Are you serious? Our scheme expected the OLB to play both the QB and the pitch and the CB to play both the pitch and wide out. The DL played at least two yards back and they seemed to have played passively by design. Diaco seems utterly clueless planning for the option.

Diaco laid an egg against Navy in '10, didn't he?

Diaco stifled Navy in '11 and '12.

Diaco laid an egg again in '13 in a repeat of '10!

I don't care if 40 players were injured. How many of Navy's players were offered by ND? How many of Toledo, Duke, or Western Kentucky, Air Forces defenders were offered by ND. Navy has lost or struggle against lesser talent than ND's.

The scheme AND the execution were poor.

ND was mystified by Navy's Unbalanced Line just as they were in '10. At the LOS offenses I.D. The ILB and how many men are in the box and adjust their blocking assignments accordingly. Defenses run similar checks ... Supposedly but Navy maintained the man advantage.

Tell me about the Navy TD run to the right of center in an unbalanced line. They had a 6-5 advantage before Carlo broke to the left side of thei line vacating the center of the field. Rees could have scored on that play!

Navy's top fullback, the backbone of Triple Option Dive was injured. His backup is not close to his production level. Credit the Navy O.C. for mixing up his usage by having the backup FB scrap the dive on some plays and functioning as a BLOCKING BACK off tackle where he block for the QB OR the pitchman. It gave Navy an extra blocker which is key. ND's ILB should have become available as an extra defender BUT he was effectively sealed off by an OL.

Bear Bryant one said, "I can beat his with mine and mine with his." Diaco couldn't win with either set of players yesterday because he got outcoached.

 

[irishff1014]

Who was talking about USC or the rest of the season?

I responded to kmoose's endorsement of Diaco street creds.

kmoose had responded to N D Fighting Irish's post about Diaco being clueless planning for the option.

Quote:


Diaco laid an egg against Navy in '10, didn't he?

Diaco stifled Navy in '11 and '12.

Diaco laid an egg again in '13 in a repeat of '10!

I don't care if 40 players were injured. How many of Navy's players were offered by ND? How many of Toledo, Duke, or Western Kentucky, Air Forces defenders were offered by ND. Navy has lost or struggle against lesser talent than ND's.

The scheme AND the execution were poor.

ND was mystified by Navy's Unbalanced Line just as they were in '10. At the LOS offenses I.D. The ILB and how many men are in the box and adjust their blocking assignments accordingly. Defenses run similar checks ... Supposedly but Navy maintained the man advantage.

Tell me about the Navy TD run to the right of center in an unbalanced line. They had a 6-5 advantage before Carlo broke to the left side of thei line vacating the center of the field. Rees could have scored on that play!

Navy's top fullback, the backbone of Triple Option Dive was injured. His backup is not close to his production level. Credit the Navy O.C. for mixing up his usage by having the backup FB scrap the dive on some plays and functioning as a BLOCKING BACK off tackle where he block for the QB OR the pitchman. It gave Navy an extra blocker which is key. ND's ILB should have become available as an extra defender BUT he was effectively sealed off by an OL.

Bear Bryant one said, "I can beat his with mine and mine with his." Diaco couldn't win with either set of players yesterday because he got outcoached.

Nice post BGIF

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Diaco is a DI-A Defensive Coordinator. His defense, last year, was largely responsible for his team earning a spot in the National Championship Game. Bob Diaco was awarded the Frank Broyles Award, last year. That award goes to the top Assistant Coach in the country. Bob Diaco sees our defense practice, everyday, and is intimately familiar with capabilities of each defensive player. But YOU, well.............. YOU think he is some kind of idiot, huh? What's on your resume, smart guy?

So when the defense performs, it's the coaches. When they don't, it's player's lack of focus and effort. As evidence, you cite his job and the award he won. Two of the past four years we struggled. Yet his scheme against the option cannot be questioned, because we are usually talking about two evenly matched teams? I am frightened to think how we will fare against GATech. Hell you questioned the scheme with your email.

Clueless is a strong word but I can't get his interview about 2010 Navy out of my head...the dreaded veer.

 

[Grahambo]

ND did win, right?

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Who was talking about USC or the rest of the season?

I responded to kmoose's endorsement of Diaco street creds.

kmoose had responded to N D Fighting Irish's post about Diaco being clueless planning for the option.

Quote:


Diaco laid an egg against Navy in '10, didn't he?

Diaco stifled Navy in '11 and '12.

Diaco laid an egg again in '13 in a repeat of '10!

I don't care if 40 players were injured. How many of Navy's players were offered by ND? How many of Toledo, Duke, or Western Kentucky, Air Forces defenders were offered by ND. Navy has lost or struggle against lesser talent than ND's.

The scheme AND the execution were poor.

ND was mystified by Navy's Unbalanced Line just as they were in '10. At the LOS offenses I.D. The ILB and how many men are in the box and adjust their blocking assignments accordingly. Defenses run similar checks ... Supposedly but Navy maintained the man advantage.

Tell me about the Navy TD run to the right of center in an unbalanced line. They had a 6-5 advantage before Carlo broke to the left side of thei line vacating the center of the field. Rees could have scored on that play!

Navy's top fullback, the backbone of Triple Option Dive was injured. His backup is not close to his production level. Credit the Navy O.C. for mixing up his usage by having the backup FB scrap the dive on some plays and functioning as a BLOCKING BACK off tackle where he block for the QB OR the pitchman. It gave Navy an extra blocker which is key. ND's ILB should have become available as an extra defender BUT he was effectively sealed off by an OL.

Bear Bryant one said, "I can beat his with mine and mine with his." Diaco couldn't win with either set of players yesterday because he got outcoached.

I agree except...how can you judge the execution if the scheme is flawed? A flawed scheme generally is the reason for poor execution. Jaylon or OLB failing to guess which man to take when the other man is unaccounted for is not poor execution...we saw that in the AF game...we saw it yesterday.

 

[DCirishfan]

So if you believe that nothing the D did made sense that fine but what should they done schematically? Formations, personell, etc. Your coaching D at ND.

How about shooting more gaps as opposed to wprrying about cut blocks?

 

[Patulski]

I agree except...how can you judge the execution if the scheme is flawed? A flawed scheme generally is the reason for poor execution.

The execution is flawed when your players gets whipped by the Navy players.

Kelly talked about this in his Post Game Press Conference:

Q. In 2010, you talked about how they held something back and you had to adjust on the fly. Did that happen today or just the traditional look?

COACH KELLY: No, they ran a couple of unbalanced plays where we had some pressures on or some looks that make it a little bit more difficult, but, no, this was still centered around the quarterback. And at times not getting‑‑ not whipping the guy over us. You know what I mean? Sometimes you've just got to whip the guy that's over you, and sometimes we weren't able to defeat some of those one‑on‑one blocks, but nothing that they schemed up and had a different look for us.

 

[kmoose]

So when the defense performs, it's the coaches. When they don't, it's player's lack of focus and effort. As evidence, you cite his job and the award he won. Two of the past four years we struggled. Yet his scheme against the option cannot be questioned, because we are usually talking about two evenly matched teams? I am frightened to think how we will fare against GATech. Hell you questioned the scheme with your email.

Clueless is a strong word but I can't get his interview about 2010 Navy out of my head...the dreaded veer.

The point that I was trying to make is that you sound like an idiot, calling Diaco clueless. What are your qualifications for judging how sound his game plan was? In fact, lay his game plan out for us. And not some sarcastic crap, but tell us............. what was his plan? And why didn't it work? If you're smart enough to recognize that the success of Navy against the Defense is because Diaco doesn't have a clue, then educate some of the rest of us. What I saw, last night, was NOT ONE ND defender consistently winning his 1 v 1 matchup with a much smaller, presumably less talented, opponent. I'm not saying that there was nothing wrong with the scheme, just that I don't think scheme should have mattered more than 10-15%, in the outcome of this game. We should have better athletes at every position on the field, and we should dominate every one of the 1 v. 1 matchups.

 

[gkautz10]

-Diaco has consistently had trouble with Navy. When he gets a head coaching job, hopefully they don't play Navy, for his sake.
-Mathias Farley and Bennett really suck at tackling. And I mean really suck.
-I figured out why George A is not that good. He pussyfoots to the hole, he never runs hard. Go back and look at how the Navy return men caught the ball and sprinted and never slowed down until they were on the ground.
-Special teams were pitiful.......again.
-Jaylon and Eilar won that game on Navy's last offensive play, wow what discipline from a couple of very young players.
-And I renewed my dislike for watching games at ND stadium. It seems as only the most unintelligent ND fans are allowed in. And everyone still gets bent out of shape when you stand up for a play. SMH
-I am actually comfortable with the offense. I think we found our running back/s of the future. Cam and Folsten. Still want to see GB though.
-Overall a decent game. The service academies are always disciplined and play tough.

 

[DillonHall]

It's all interconnected, so I find it ridiculous that anyone blames either the players or the coaches. If you have a problem with how the players performed, then what's your stance on player development by the coaches?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

-And I renewed my dislike for watching games at ND stadium. It seems as only the most unintelligent ND fans are allowed in. And everyone still gets bent out of shape when you stand up for a play.

I thought I was just being old and cranky so I'm glad someone else agrees. As much as I like seeing games in person, I'm kind of glad that I only have one game left as a student. I can't take it anymore. We are losing to Navy in the fourth quarter and we are doing the ****ing wave. The wave. While losing. To Navy. In the 4th. The student section barely pays attention to the game and only about 1 in 4 students has any understanding of the team and football.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

The execution is flawed when your players gets whipped by the Navy players.

Kelly talked about this in his Post Game Press Conference:

Q. In 2010, you talked about how they held something back and you had to adjust on the fly. Did that happen today or just the traditional look?

COACH KELLY: No, they ran a couple of unbalanced plays where we had some pressures on or some looks that make it a little bit more difficult, but, no, this was still centered around the quarterback. And at times not getting‑‑ not whipping the guy over us. You know what I mean? Sometimes you've just got to whip the guy that's over you, and sometimes we weren't able to defeat some of those one‑on‑one blocks, but nothing that they schemed up and had a different look for us.

?? Really. You really believe that. Line up a yard and half away for the LOS. Wait for the OL to attack and then whip the guy. Even if the ND player "whipped" the Navy guy, Navy just gained 3-4 yards with the FB purely on physics...an extra effort on the part of the Navy ball carrier...5-6 yards...which happened over and over again. If not for Navy's unforced errors, we would have never stopped them with the scheme we employed yesterday.

 

[arrowryan]

I thought I was just being old and cranky so I'm glad someone else agrees. As much as I like seeing games in person, I'm kind of glad that I only have one game left as a student. I can't take it anymore. We are losing to Navy in the fourth quarter and we are doing the ****ing wave. The wave. While losing. To Navy. In the 4th. The student section barely pays attention to the game and only about 1 in 4 students has any understanding of the team and football.

I'm pretty sure that's how most student sections are. It's hard to pay attention when you're drunk off you're arse

 

[kmoose]

?? Really. You really believe that. Line up a yard and half away for the LOS. Wait for the OL to attack and then whip the guy. Even if the ND player "whipped" the Navy guy, Navy just gained 3-4 yards with the FB purely on physics...an extra effort on the part of the Navy ball carrier...5-6 yards...which happened over and over again. If not for Navy's unforced errors, we would have never stopped them with the scheme we employed yesterday.

What scheme was that, exactly?

 

[Grahambo]

I thought I was just being old and cranky so I'm glad someone else agrees. As much as I like seeing games in person, I'm kind of glad that I only have one game left as a student. I can't take it anymore. We are losing to Navy in the fourth quarter and we are doing the ****ing wave. The wave. While losing. To Navy. In the 4th. The student section barely pays attention to the game and only about 1 in 4 students has any understanding of the team and football.

Jack Nolan really is a believer of the jumbotron. His rant was pretty funny yesterday.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Jack Nolan really is a believer of the jumbotron. His rant was pretty funny yesterday.

What did he say?

 

[Grahambo]

What did he say?

Not quoting but basically thinks it truly helps keep the fans at the game involved. He cited the Dallas game and how much better of an atmosphere it was as it kept the stadium involved throughout the game.

He went off.

 

[IrishLax]

Jack Nolan really is a believer of the jumbotron. His rant was pretty funny yesterday.

Link?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Jack Nolan really is a believer of the jumbotron. His rant was pretty funny yesterday.

Yeah I heard that and I can't say I disagree with anything he said. Then again that might be because I want a jumbotron in the worst way.

And he's right, ND isn't going to use it to whore itself out to advertisers so that argument needs to stop