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[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

No, Spitfire. Your post isn't even remotely defensible.

1. He's won 71% of his games at ND, which statistically requires a lot more than "one year" of winning over a 5-year span;
2. I would not say Kelly has been the beneficiary of good fortune while at ND;
3. The 2012 starters were split roughly 50/50 between his recruits and Weis'; and
4. How is winning 71% of your games and never less than 8 in a season "on a downward trend"?

Based on where the program was when Kelly took over, we have been on a strong upward trajectory ever since. To put it in financial terms, annual growth may be slowing down, but keep in mind that you're criticizing a successful CEO who has taken this Company's stock value to a 20-year high.



I have no idea how some arbitrary poll would turn out, but it's not all subjective. Among active I-A coaches with over 200 games coached, Kelly has the best record in the nation. Among those with over 150 games coached, he's #3, behind only Stoops and Saban. Among those with over 100 games coached, he's #4, just a hair behind Gary Patterson. So, Kelly is objectively one of the best coaches in the country. Whether you, or a random sample size of CFB coaches/ idiotic CFB fans recognize that is irrelevant.

The sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations among our fan base is f*cking unreal. Almost makes me want to see him go, just so I can quote these absurd posts repeatedly when the program tanks again in his absence.

Great post!

 

[Spitfire]

No, Spitfire. Your post isn't even remotely defensible.

1. He's won 71% of his games at ND, which statistically requires a lot more than "one year" of winning over a 5-year span;
2. I would not say Kelly has been the beneficiary of good fortune while at ND;
3. The 2012 starters were split roughly 50/50 between his recruits and Weis'; and
4. How is winning 71% of your games and never less than 8 in a season "on a downward trend"?

Based on where the program was when Kelly took over, we have been on a strong upward trajectory ever since. To put it in financial terms, annual growth may be slowing down, but keep in mind that you're criticizing a successful CEO who has taken this Company's stock value to a 20-year high.



I have no idea how some arbitrary poll would turn out, but it's not all subjective. Among active I-A coaches with over 200 games coached, Kelly has the best record in the nation. Among those with over 150 games coached, he's #3, behind only Stoops and Saban. Among those with over 100 games coached, he's #4, just a hair behind Gary Patterson. So, Kelly is objectively one of the best coaches in the country. Whether you, or a random sample size of CFB coaches/ idiotic CFB fans recognize that is irrelevant.

The sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations among our fan base is f*cking unreal. Almost makes me want to see him go, just so I can quote these absurd posts repeatedly when the program tanks again in his absence.

1. I was referencing what people might say in that he has only made the big dance once as a counter to his argument against other coaches not being "better."
2. He was the beneficiary of a lot of luck in 2012.
3. Actually the number of Kelly starters on that team was 3 (Golson, Daniels, Tuitt), the rest were Charlie Weis recruits.
4. 71% is a good, not great number...which is all some of us are trying to say. And there is a real good chance that number decreases before this year is over. Stay tuned.

I think Kelly has done some good things here from installing a legit strength and conditioning program, to improving the facilities, to maintaining a mostly clean program. But his coaching in and of itself has been questionable. I would not consider the Sun Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl, and whatever bumf**k bowl we get into this year to be an indication of a program on a "strong upward trajectory." It's really pretty mediocre overall, and yeah that's somewhat better then where we have been in the past, but if that's your barometer for high point football for this program then I couldn't disagree more. I just don't the, "yeah, we are 8-5 again this season, but we are good with it because it could be worse." Really WTF is that? Oh wait, I know "sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations" from those expecting more. Pretty standard drum line from those rationalizing 8-5 seasons and patting Kelly on the head.

 

[PANDFAN]

No, Spitfire. Your post isn't even remotely defensible.

1. He's won 71% of his games at ND, which statistically requires a lot more than "one year" of winning over a 5-year span;
2. I would not say Kelly has been the beneficiary of good fortune while at ND;
3. The 2012 starters were split roughly 50/50 between his recruits and Weis'; and
4. How is winning 71% of your games and never less than 8 in a season "on a downward trend"?

Based on where the program was when Kelly took over, we have been on a strong upward trajectory ever since. To put it in financial terms, annual growth may be slowing down, but keep in mind that you're criticizing a successful CEO who has taken this Company's stock value to a 20-year high.



I have no idea how some arbitrary poll would turn out, but it's not all subjective. Among active I-A coaches with over 200 games coached, Kelly has the best record in the nation. Among those with over 150 games coached, he's #3, behind only Stoops and Saban. Among those with over 100 games coached, he's #4, just a hair behind Gary Patterson. So, Kelly is objectively one of the best coaches in the country. Whether you, or a random sample size of CFB coaches/ idiotic CFB fans recognize that is irrelevant.

The sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations among our fan base is f*cking unreal. Almost makes me want to see him go, just so I can quote these absurd posts repeatedly when the program tanks again in his absence.

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[Who'saWildManNow]

My thought process is this:

- ND will NEVER have the combination of an elite coach with the recruiting luxuries of a Bama' or USC.

- We simply cannot offer everyone academically and pose a much tougher route through college. A lot of elite athletes want an easier path to the NFL and I do not fault them for it.

- With that said we are still going to be in the running for plenty of blue chippers and will get our fair share. But let's not pretend that we'll be turning away 4* guys for 5* guys and stocking up on the best JUCO players to fill the 2 & 3 deep because it will never happen.

- Injuries and suspensions do that much more damage to us.

- Kelly has taken these hurdles and propelled us from an embarrassment to at least 8 wins a season, a NC game and a spur on the stage.

- Sure, how could we possibly lose to Northwestern? It's easy. We put up 40 and they put up 43 on a injury ravaged defense that knew even less about BVGs philosophies than the one the week before.

- Kelly doesn't make every right decision but I think he's done a heck of a job given the circumstances. Sometimes I think of all the recruiting defections, early NFLers and picture what this team could have looked like.. It would be as close to the football factories as we could get. But in order for us to look like that everything had to go right. It's simply not the world we live in.

- Are some of you that naive to think that Brian Kelly wouldn't have done at least what Saban recently has at Bama with that kind of depth? With football being the priority?

- I think something that's been over looked is the serious lack of leadership within the team. Why is it always the "Rudy" of the team trying to fire everyone up? I just think some of these guys don't give a shit. There needs to be more vocal leaders holding people accountable and making sure they buy in..


Like Kelly said in a press conference the first year he got here.. "If I have to fire these guys up about playing football at the University of Notre Dame then maybe their in the wrong place."

 

[IrishinSyria]

You realize everything you just laid out against most of these guys could be said about Kelly right? I.E.; Only had one year where he won, lot of luck, did it on the coat tails of Charlie Weis's recruits, program on a downward trend, etc.

It is all subjective, but I would bet if you polled the average college football fan to list the top 10 coaches in college football....you would be surprised how many do not have Brian Kelly on that list. Hell, I would bet you would get the same result if you polled the coaches themselves on a top 10 list.

I'm aware of that. The point isn't that Kelly is an objectively better coach than any of them (though in at least a few cases, he is). It's that none of them are objectively better coaches than Kelly. And you don't create a major disruption in the program unless a) it absolutely needs to happen and b) you're confident you can do better. I don't think a is true, and I'm sure that b isn't right now.

But yea, the other thing with your argument is that it completely ignores Kelly's body of work pre-ND. I mean, it's cool that Malzahn was a great high school coach, but Kelly got freaking Cincinnati to the Sugar Bowl. None of the other coaches listed (except for Petterson) have anything close to Kelly's resume.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

2. He was the beneficiary of a lot of luck in 2012.

And he's had some sh!t luck over the last two years. It's almost as if he has very little room for error with the roster management issues that are inherent at ND, which prevents us from overcoming misfortune like other programs can.

3. Actually the number of Kelly starters on that team was 3 (Golson, Daniels, Tuitt), the rest were Charlie Weis recruits.

Take a look a the 2-deep. At least half of those guys were Kelly recruits.

4. 71% is a good, not great number...which is all some of us are trying to say. And there is a real good chance that number decreases before this year is over. Stay tuned.

71% is "good, not great"? Did you even click on that link I provided in my last post. There are only 11 active coaches out of 128 in I-A that have a win percentage of 71% with over 100 games coached. Thank you for proving my point about unrealistic expectations.

But his coaching in and of itself has been questionable.

No one is suggesting that Kelly is beyond reproach. But if you're going to suggest that Kelly isn't an elite coach, or that we'd be better off without him, prepare to be mocked.

I would not consider the Sun Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl, and whatever bumf**k bowl we get into this year to be an indication of a program on a "strong upward trajectory."

Did you sleep through the previous three coaching regimes?

It's really pretty mediocre overall, and yeah that's somewhat better then where we have been in the past...

Understatement of the day.

...but if that's your barometer for high point football for this program then I couldn't disagree more. I just don't the, "yeah, we are 8-5 again this season, but we are good with it because it could be worse." Really WTF is that?

Strawman. No one here would be happy going 8-5 for the foreseeable future. That's Kelly's floor, and his ceiling is obviously much higher than that, since he brought us to the title game in 2012. Is it high enough that we should expect to make it back there again before he leaves? I don't know. Maybe not, and if we don't, I think it'll more likely be attributable to institutional restrictions than any short-coming with Kelly himself.

Oh wait, I know "sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations" from those expecting more.

There's a world of difference between "hoping for more" and "feeling entitled to more".

Pretty standard drum line from those rationalizing 8-5 seasons and patting Kelly on the head.

8-5 is an awesome floor. Not great as a ceiling, but it's clearly not Kelly's ceiling, and no one here has said they'd be happy if it was either.

The NW loss sucked, and it's perfectly natural to want to vent. But the objective data indicates that Kelly is an elite coach, and we're damn lucky to have him. If you think he's taken ND as far as he's capable of, then tell me which coach Swarbrick can go hire today who: (1) would come to ND; and (2) would definitely do a better job than Kelly. You can't, because that guy ain't out there. Stoops, Saban and Meyer are the only coaches out there who have a more impressive body of work, and none of them would voluntarily hamstring themselves by laboring under ND's academic and roster management restrictions.

So all we're left with is juvenile entitled whining completely divorced from the reality of NDFB today.

 

[MNIrishman]

My thought process is this:

- ND will NEVER have the combination of an elite coach with the recruiting luxuries of a Bama' or USC.

- We simply cannot offer everyone academically and pose a much tougher route through college. A lot of elite athletes want an easier path to the NFL and I do not fault them for it.

- With that said we are still going to be in the running for plenty of blue chippers and will get our fair share. But let's not pretend that we'll be turning away 4* guys for 5* guys and stocking up on the best JUCO players to fill the 2 & 3 deep because it will never happen.

- Injuries and suspensions do that much more damage to us.

- Kelly has taken these hurdles and propelled us from an embarrassment to at least 8 wins a season, a NC game and a spur on the stage.

- Sure, how could we possibly lose to Northwestern? It's easy. We put up 40 and they put up 43 on a injury ravaged defense that knew even less about BVGs philosophies than the one the week before.

- Kelly doesn't make every right decision but I think he's done a heck of a job given the circumstances. Sometimes I think of all the recruiting defections, early NFLers and picture what this team could have looked like.. It would be as close to the football factories as we could get. But in order for us to look like that everything had to go right. It's simply not the world we live in.

- Are some of you that naive to think that Brian Kelly wouldn't have done at least what Saban recently has at Bama with that kind of depth? With football being the priority?

- I think something that's been over looked is the serious lack of leadership within the team. Why is it always the "Rudy" of the team trying to fire everyone up? I just think some of these guys don't give a shit. There needs to be more vocal leaders holding people accountable and making sure they buy in..


Like Kelly said in a press conference the first year he got here.. "If I have to fire these guys up about playing football at the University of Notre Dame then maybe their in the wrong place."

I think you can look at what Saban did at MSU and then at LSU to see what kind of advantage that environment can give a coach. I'd rather have Kelly than Saban for ND (but don't get me wrong, would LOVE Saban's record, just think he's pretty well shown that he can't win at an elite level without a football factory behind him).

 

[pumpdog20]

Dear BK: Please put a stop to this nonsense. "Let them know, that you are ND!"

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[wizards8507]

71% is "good, not great"? Did you even click on that link I provided in my last post. There are only 11 active coaches out of 128 in I-A that have a win percentage of 71% with over 100 games coached. Thank you for proving my point about unrealistic expectations.

My problem with the 71% is that he was somehow an 85% coach at Cincinnati and only a 71% coach at Notre Dame.

 

[MNIrishman]

My problem with the 71% is that he was somehow an 85% coach at Cincinnati and only a 71% coach at Notre Dame.

I've wondered about that too. Competition level? Being left in a good position by a great predecessor? Jeff Quinn? Luck? What's the explanation?

 

[wizards8507]

I've wondered about that too. Competition level? Being left in a good position by a great predecessor? Jeff Quinn? Luck? What's the explanation?

That's my biggest red flag. He won all those games at Cincinnati in an awful 8 team Big East.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I've wondered about that too. Competition level? Being left in a good position by a great predecessor? Jeff Quinn? Luck? What's the explanation?

Law of small numbers

Break up a baseball season into 12 game chunks. Would you expect the winning % to be different across those chunks (yes). Would you then assume that the team got better and then worse and then better or just that sometimes shit happens?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's my biggest red flag. He won all those games at Cincinnati in an awful 8 team Big East.

He also won them with awful Big East talent. It's not like he had a roster full of 3 and 4 players.

 

[wizards8507]

Law of small numbers

Break up a baseball season into 12 game chunks. Would you expect the winning % to be different across those chunks (yes). Would you then assume that the team got better and then worse and then better or just that sometimes shit happens?

Big difference. A baseball team doesn't turn its roster over at least 25% every 12 games. A baseball team is (pretty much) the same 25 guys in each subsequent 12 game chunk. A football coach has to prove what he can do with a new and different team every year.

 

[PANDFAN]

I've wondered about that too. Competition level? Being left in a good position by a great predecessor? Jeff Quinn? Luck? What's the explanation?

cinci sos

2007 (58th of 120) 10-3
2008 (62nd of 120) 11-3
2009 (51st of 120) 12-1

most of the games against ranked opps were usf, uconn, pitt and when they played anyone ranked outside of big east they lost in those years VT, FLORIDA ,OU

2010 ND (12th of 120) 8-5
2011 (15th of 120) 8-5
2012 (8th of 124) 12-1
2013 (28th of 125) 9-4
2014 (31st of 128) 7-3

 

[wizards8507]

He also won them with awful Big East talent. It's not like he had a roster full of 3 and 4 players.

That's kind of my point. He blew out Rutgers and Louisville with scrub talent and he can't manage to blow out Syracuse and Purdue with real talent.

 

[Irish Insanity]

In a perfect world I'd like to see:

1) Kelly get out in front and say there is no way he's going anywhere (i know that there are not any gaurantees)
2) Those who are vocally expressing displeasure with him...shut their pie-holes!
3) Win the last two games and bowl game
4) Finish this '15 class with a bang!
5) Have a "quiet" off-season...LOLA.

I will be ok losing the rest of our games if #5 can happen

 

[FLDomer]

I will be ok losing the rest of our games if #5 can happen

if we lose the rest of the games #5 is for damn sure not happening.

 

[gkIrish]

That's kind of my point. He blew out Rutgers and Louisville with scrub talent and he can't manage to blow out Syracuse and Purdue with real talent.

16 point wins are blowouts last time I checked

 

[MNIrishman]

That's kind of my point. He blew out Rutgers and Louisville with scrub talent and he can't manage to blow out Syracuse and Purdue with real talent.

I wonder how much of that is the other team getting pumped up for the "game of the year" though? Who gets excited about playing Cinci?

 

[Spitfire]

And he's had some sh!t luck over the last two years. It's almost as if he has very little room for error with the roster management issues that are inherent at ND, which prevents us from overcoming misfortune like other programs can.

And what luck would that be? The turnover machine known as Everett Golson being suspended last year or the frozen 5 this year? Roster restrictions and all, we are still fielding better talent on Saturdays then most of the college football universe, and while it sucks, are the roster management issues always going to be the "get out of jail free" card for Kelly? Apparently for some it will be.

Take a look a the 2-deep. At least half of those guys were Kelly recruits.

Did you read my post? I was referencing starting players and the major contributors on that roster were Weis recruits. Not the 2-deep.

71% is "good, not great"? Did you even click on that link I provided in my last post. There are only 11 active coaches out of 128 in I-A that have a win percentage of 71% with over 100 games coached. Thank you for proving my point about unrealistic expectations.

I really don't care about him stacking on wins or "games coached" at Grand Valley State and Central Michigan, and I doubt most outside yourself do. He is 44-18 at Notre Dame (.71%) which is his first major program. That is what's at issue here...nothing more.


No one is suggesting that Kelly is beyond reproach. But if you're going to suggest that Kelly isn't an elite coach, or that we'd be better off without him, prepare to be mocked.

Why is it so hard to fathom this program doing better yearly then 8-5 for you? That is what we are getting right now from "elite" coach Brian Kelly. Not sure why you are so quick to dismiss the possibility of someone else improving on that mark.

Did you sleep through the previous three coaching regimes?

LOL

Strawman. No one here would be happy going 8-5 for the foreseeable future. That's Kelly's floor, and his ceiling is obviously much higher than that, since he brought us to the title game in 2012. Is it high enough that we should expect to make it back there again before he leaves? I don't know. Maybe not, and if we don't, I think it'll more likely be attributable to institutional restrictions than any short-coming with Kelly himself.

Holy s**t! It's not his floor.....it's his average!!! Nice to see though you already have a built in excuse for any forseeable poor seasons from Kelly. That is called "beyond reproach" in case you were unfamiliar with the term.

The NW loss sucked, and it's perfectly natural to want to vent. But the objective data indicates that Kelly is an elite coach, and we're damn lucky to have him. If you think he's taken ND as far as he's capable of, then tell me which coach Swarbrick can go hire today who: (1) would come to ND; and (2) would definitely do a better job than Kelly. You can't, because that guy ain't out there. Stoops, Saban and Meyer are the only coaches out there who have a more impressive body of work, and none of them would voluntarily hamstring themselves by laboring under ND's academic and roster management restrictions.

How do you ironclad know those guys are not interested? Your guessing. Some say Stoops was close last time. Who's to say Jon Gruden wouldn't be interested with his fathers ties to the program? How about Gary Patterson again? There are good candidates out there and nobody really knows what their true interest level is. Doesn't mean you don't take a swing at all of them if Kelly isn't the guy to get this program over the hump. Or would you rather they just keep going 8-5 or 9-4 under Kelly?

 

[wizards8507]

16 point wins are blowouts last time I checked

I disagree.

I wonder how much of that is the other team getting pumped up for the "game of the year" though? Who gets excited about playing Cinci?

I don't buy this argument for any opponent other than Navy, for a few reasons.

1. Every team we play has at least one other "big game" on their schedule.
2. Most teams get more hyped for big conference games than anything OOC.
3. We're not the juggernaut that we used to be.
4. Almost every game is televised, so that piece is a non issue.

I also think about it like this... if we have trouble recruiting kids because we're not as "sexy" as some other programs, then the same is true for our allure as an opponent.

 

[woolybug25]

I disagree.

I'm not sure you will find too many people, other than yourself, that don't think a 16 point margin isn't a blowout. Hell, it's a three possession game.

I don't buy this argument for any opponent other than Navy, for a few reasons.

1. Every team we play has at least one other "big game" on their schedule.
2. Most teams get more hyped for big conference games than anything OOC.
3. We're not the juggernaut that we used to be.
4. Almost every game is televised, so that piece is a non issue.

I also think about it like this... if we have trouble recruiting kids because we're not as "sexy" as some other programs, then the same is true for our allure as an opponent.

1) That doesn't change Notre Dame being one of those "big games"
2) I don't agree with that. Especially in the case of teams that may already be out of contention for their conference championship. Those teams want to "prove" something against a high profile opponent like Notre Dame.
3) We did just go to the title game two years ago.
4) Not nationally or in venues like Jerry's World, Met Life or Ireland. For many teams, a game against Notre Dame might be the most watched game of their entire career.

Our "allure" isn't something just being said within the walls of Irish Envy. It's constantly being noted by announcers, by the players and coaches in pre/post game interviews. It's not just our opinion. Notre Dame's prestige as an opponent is echoed widely by everyone.

 

[gkIrish]

I know you are a huge Kelly apologist who tries to rationalize things any time this team falls on it's face, but we are likely headed for yet another 8-5 season and a trip to the Bumf**k Bowl under "elite" coach Kelly. With this in mind, some of us don't like the direction of the program and for you to chalk that up to "juvenile entitled whining" reeks of just blind homerism.

Ladies and Gentleman, that red bar is what happens when you've received three reps and one is a red bomb from a "powerful" poster (not me).

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

My thought process is this:

- ND will NEVER have the combination of an elite coach with the recruiting luxuries of a Bama' or USC.

- We simply cannot offer everyone academically and pose a much tougher route through college. A lot of elite athletes want an easier path to the NFL and I do not fault them for it.

- With that said we are still going to be in the running for plenty of blue chippers and will get our fair share. But let's not pretend that we'll be turning away 4* guys for 5* guys and stocking up on the best JUCO players to fill the 2 & 3 deep because it will never happen.

- Injuries and suspensions do that much more damage to us.

- Kelly has taken these hurdles and propelled us from an embarrassment to at least 8 wins a season, a NC game and a spur on the stage.

- Sure, how could we possibly lose to Northwestern? It's easy. We put up 40 and they put up 43 on a injury ravaged defense that knew even less about BVGs philosophies than the one the week before.

- Kelly doesn't make every right decision but I think he's done a heck of a job given the circumstances. Sometimes I think of all the recruiting defections, early NFLers and picture what this team could have looked like.. It would be as close to the football factories as we could get. But in order for us to look like that everything had to go right. It's simply not the world we live in.

- Are some of you that naive to think that Brian Kelly wouldn't have done at least what Saban recently has at Bama with that kind of depth? With football being the priority?

- I think something that's been over looked is the serious lack of leadership within the team. Why is it always the "Rudy" of the team trying to fire everyone up? I just think some of these guys don't give a shit. There needs to be more vocal leaders holding people accountable and making sure they buy in..


Like Kelly said in a press conference the first year he got here.. "If I have to fire these guys up about playing football at the University of Notre Dame then maybe their in the wrong place."

I've been saying this all year. There isn't one player on our team that even looks intimidating. Let alone look look like a leader.

I'm not comparing Holtz and Kelly by any means, different time different place. But Lou's teams took no s**t. Intimidated people and kicked ass. If someone on the team didn't hold up there end. Lou was the second one to chew ass, because his team mates would already be on it.

I still think the scheme is over thought and over complicated on both ends of the ball. I know we are young, injuries and so on, but can't we pump the brakes a little, and slow the game down for these kids?

The lack of Effort by Redfield on that particular play in the ASU game is mind blowing at best. But when a 5* safety is passed up by a 3* because the scheme is to challenging? Something needs reevaluated.

 

[irishff1014]

]I'm not sure you will find too many people, other than yourself, that don't think a 16 point margin isn't a blowout. Hell, it's a three possession game. [/B]



1) That doesn't change Notre Dame being one of those "big games"
2) I don't agree with that. Especially in the case of teams that may already be out of contention for their conference championship. Those teams want to "prove" something against a high profile opponent like Notre Dame.
3) We did just go to the title game two years ago.
4) Not nationally or in venues like Jerry's World, Met Life or Ireland. For many teams, a game against Notre Dame might be the most watched game of their entire career.

Our "allure" isn't something just being said within the walls of Irish Envy. It's constantly being noted by announcers, by the players and coaches in pre/post game interviews. It's not just our opinion. Notre Dame's prestige as an opponent is echoed widely by everyone.

Actually its not 2 TD's and 2 2point conversions is 16. that 1 point make a difference at 17.

 

[koonja]

Spitfire living up to his name!

Not all 16 point victories are the same. But I wouldn't consider most of the blowouts by any means.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm not sure you will find too many people, other than yourself, that don't think a 16 point margin isn't a blowout. Hell, it's a three possession game.

Texas A&M Aggies vs. Alabama Crimson Tide - Recap - October 18, 2014 - ESPN
Kansas Jayhawks vs. Baylor Bears - Recap - November 01, 2014 - ESPN
Baylor Bears vs. Oklahoma Sooners - Recap - November 08, 2014 - ESPN
Wake Forest Demon Deacons vs. Florida State Seminoles - Recap - October 04, 2014 - ESPN

Those are blowouts.

 

[MNIrishman]

I've been saying this all year. There isn't one player on our team that even looks intimidating. Let alone look look like a leader.

I'm not comparing Holtz and Kelly by any means, different time different place. But Lou's teams took no s**t. Intimidated people and kicked ass. If someone on the team didn't hold up there end. Lou was the second one to chew ass, because his team mates would already be on it.

I still think the scheme is over thought and over complicated on both ends of the ball. I know we are young, injuries and so on, but can't we pump the brakes a little, and slow the game down for these kids?

The lack of Effort by Redfield on that particular play in the ASU game is mind blowing at best. But when a 5* safety is passed up by a 3* because the scheme is to challenging? Something needs reevaluated.

I think I know which play you're referring to, but for reference do you have a link to a vid?