James Franklin Appreciation Thread

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In an ideal world, yes, "blueblood" would indicate old money (or an old-timey powerhouse with multiple old-timey championships.) Unforunately, it's commonly used today to mean "good at football in recent years." This is how Clemson and Georgia and Penn State became "bluebloods" despite one combined (highly debatable) NC prior to 1980.
I think your definition is correct but I doubt we will be making a new term to describe teams that have been good at football since the boomers made it to college or where "championships are the standard" or whatever phrases people want to say.
 

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In an ideal world, yes, "blueblood" would indicate old money (or an old-timey powerhouse with multiple old-timey championships.) Unforunately, it's commonly used today to mean "good at football in recent years." This is how Clemson and Georgia and Penn State became "bluebloods" despite one combined (highly debatable) NC prior to 1980.

You're arguing from a fallacy because no one thinks of Clemson or Georgia as a blueblood except ESPN commentators. Penn State is often viewed as first out but didnt have the level of success as the others during the requisite time period. It's not a tier nor a changing honorary title. It's a virtually permanent description of certain teams' performance in a certain time period.

It's why it's stupid to argue that Nebraska is "losing" their blueblood status. You can't lose it. You CAN lose being a premier program, which Nebraska lost about 20 years ago.
 
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You're arguing from a fallacy because no one thinks of Clemson or Georgia as a blueblood except ESPN commentators. Penn State is often viewed as first out.
While I didn't think of myself as "arguing" with anybody, I wonder if you ever converse with CFB fans outside of this board. Try polling the people at r/CFB. Ninety percent will call Georgia a blueblood, and that same ninety percent would have called all three bluebloods before recent embarrassments to Clemson and Penn State. Of course, reddit skews young. If you're accustomed to conversing with older folks, you'll find different results.
 

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While I didn't think of myself as "arguing" with anybody, I wonder if you ever converse with CFB fans outside of this board. Try polling the people at r/CFB. Ninety percent will call Georgia a blueblood, and that same ninety percent would have called all three bluebloods before recent embarrassments to Clemson and Penn State. Of course, reddit skews young. If you're accustomed to conversing with older folks, you'll find different results.

If you bring this up at r/cfb they'll all make the same joke about "time for the chart" and how anybody who thinks any team but the undisputed 8 are bluebloods is a nephew.

The chart that gets posted on r/cfb every time the question gets brought up:

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If you bring this up at r/cfb they'll all make the same joke about "time for the chart" and how anybody who thinks any team but the undisputed 8 are bluebloods is a nephew.

The chart that gets posted on r/cfb every time the question gets brought up:

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What sticks out to me is your use of extremist phrases like "no one" and "every time." I do see graphs like this occasionally, but they're very rare unless the post itself centers on the question of who the bluebloods are. Meanwhile, the term chronically sneaks its way into casual conversation many times a day without this chart being posted.
 

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I would agree a large part of that was classy, but I wouldn't call pointless bullshit classy, and "what (Franklin) has done for college football has been tremendous" is pointless bullshit. I wouldn't even call it outrageous hyperbole, because that implies at least a tiny bit of truth.

I'm not even ragging on Franklin here. One simply does not make tremendous contributions to a field by existing in that field.
 

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While I didn't think of myself as "arguing" with anybody
Brother, have you ever gone back and read your posts? About 90% of your posts are contrarian takes and very pedantic. If pressed I think you would argue about if the sky is blue.
 

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If you bring this up at r/cfb they'll all make the same joke about "time for the chart" and how anybody who thinks any team but the undisputed 8 are bluebloods is a nephew.

The chart that gets posted on r/cfb every time the question gets brought up:

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I agree with the 8 there. If I were looking for a slightly more liberal and expansive definition of the term "blue blood," at the very least it would have to include sustained success with more than one coach. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Paterno basically build PSU and they've never had any long term success outside of him. For that alone, even with a wider view of "blue blood" I wouldn't consider PSU.
 

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This has all been really fun to watch, but my only regret is it isn’t happening to Ohio State. You’d never see me again if that happened. I might want Ohio State’s long-term downfall more than I want a Notre Dame national title.
 

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Brother, have you ever gone back and read your posts? About 90% of your posts are contrarian takes and very pedantic. If pressed I think you would argue about if the sky is blue.
You seem to have mastered the art of psychological projection.

Irish#1: "Programs typically designated as blueblood have a history of championships going back to the fifties and earlier."

SportsingHard: (gives Irish#1 his only "like") "Yes, that would indeed be the intelligent version of blueblood."

greyhammer90: "You're arguing fallaciously."

SportsingHard: "I didn't think of it as arguing."

Bane: "Dude, why can't you stop being an argumentative dickhead for no reason?"
 

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You're arguing from a fallacy because no one thinks of Clemson or Georgia as a blueblood except ESPN commentators. Penn State is often viewed as first out but didnt have the level of success as the others during the requisite time period. It's not a tier nor a changing honorary title. It's a virtually permanent description of certain teams' performance in a certain time period.

It's why it's stupid to argue that Nebraska is "losing" their blueblood status. You can't lose it. You CAN lose being a premier program, which Nebraska lost about 20 years ago.

Do you ever get tired of having to tap the sign?

Anyone who disagrees probably wears their pants on their head:

Football: ND, NEB, USC, OSU, SCUM, BAMA, OU, TX

Basketball: IU, KY, KS, UCLA, UNC, DUKE (they have tried hard to put UCONN here too, don’t let them)

That’s it, that’s the list. This isn’t up for debate.


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You seem to have mastered the art of psychological projection.

Irish#1: "Programs typically designated as blueblood have a history of championships going back to the fifties and earlier."

SportsingHard: (gives Irish#1 his only "like") "Yes, that would indeed be the intelligent version of blueblood."

greyhammer90: "You're arguing fallaciously."

SportsingHard: "I didn't think of it as arguing."

Bane: "Dude, why can't you stop being an argumentative dickhead for no reason?"

I would quote the old saying about what it means if everyone you meet is an asshole, but I'm afraid you might view "everyone" as an extremist phrase.
 

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That's huge and let's them off the hook for a huge chunk of salary.

Pretty standard contract language from what I understand. I think it's part of why Bama started Saban's School for Men Who Can't Coach Good. Lots of fired minds who are willing to take an analyst salary because they're getting paid either way.
 

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He'll have some programs to choose from.

Stanford
UCLA
Va Tech
Sparty?
FSU?
Florida?
UNC?

As much as I hate the smug prick he'd be an upgrade for any of them.
If I were him, I’d take one of those jobs for a dollar so PSU still has to pay me every dime.
 

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Do you ever get tired of having to tap the sign?

Anyone who disagrees probably wears their pants on their head:

Football: ND, NEB, USC, OSU, SCUM, BAMA, OU, TX

Basketball: IU, KY, KS, UCLA, UNC, DUKE (they have tried hard to put UCONN here too, don’t let them)

That’s it, that’s the list. This isn’t up for debate.


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Duke basketball doesn’t have enough history, does it?
 

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I would quote the old saying about what it means if everyone you meet is an asshole, but I'm afraid you might view "everyone" as an extremist phrase.
"Everyone" makes perfect sense in the context of that old saying, though the saying doesn't remotely fit here. I've indeed insinuated that Bane at times acts like an asshole when chastising me unfairly, but I've certainly never said that "everyone" I meet is an asshole. Where would you even get an idea so completely divorced from reality? So yes, you could say your attempt to spin me in this manner is extremist at best.

Even you, with your false claims and insinuations about me and countless others, your pointless contentious bickering, and your fallacious argumentativeness, I've never said an unkind word about you. Maybe you're just having a bad day.
 
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The funniest outcome to me would be that Rhule goes to Penn State and Nebraska talks themselves into Franklin.

And neither program improves or declines.

Rhule wins his 10 games a year, but never the big ones at Penn State.

Franklin wins 8 a year and never the big ones at Nebraska.
 

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You seem to have mastered the art of psychological projection.

Irish#1: "Programs typically designated as blueblood have a history of championships going back to the fifties and earlier."

SportsingHard: (gives Irish#1 his only "like") "Yes, that would indeed be the intelligent version of blueblood."

greyhammer90: "You're arguing fallaciously."

SportsingHard: "I didn't think of it as arguing."

Bane: "Dude, why can't you stop being an argumentative dickhead for no reason?"
It’s not just this thread. If you look through your posting history you’ll find several examples.
I mean, this is you, dude:IMG_3818.jpeg
 

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It’s not just this thread. If you look through your posting history you’ll find several examples.
I mean, this is you, dude:View attachment 3060536
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It's true. When I posted that very obvious joke (in a thread where I was booing those demanding perfect English), I failed to account for the fact that not everyone here has an IQ above 40. It was a bad joke written entirely by AI, and I am a bad person for posting it. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways, Banechild.
 

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If I were him, I’d take one of those jobs for a dollar so PSU still has to pay me every dime.
I thought about this if he picked a Cali team. Would the PSU money be taxed from Pennsylvania instead of Cali?
 
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