"ISD Intel"

[koonja]

They said Alford needs to be working outside of just Florida. Alford should have been on Hilliard the whole time.

 

[GoldenDomer]

They said Alford needs to be working outside of just Florida. Alford should have been on Hilliard the whole time.

I totally agreed with them on that. Why minimize your best recruiter? He should be the primary recruiter for all those 5 star caliber guys.

 

[gkIrish]

Listening to this is actually making me really angry.

 

[anarin]

It's funny... They lock in top 10 recruiting classes every year and they are considered lazy.

I guess if they stopped being lazy they'd be #1 every year!

 

[Classic Irish]

Hmm...I wasn't aware that our current class of verbals was so crappy.

 

[gkIrish]

It's funny... They lock in top 10 recruiting classes every year and they are considered lazy.

I guess if they stopped being lazy they'd be #1 every year!

You laugh but that's literally the point these guys are making. And they are right.

 

[GoldenDomer]

It's funny... They lock in top 10 recruiting classes every year and they are considered lazy.

I guess if they stopped being lazy they'd be #1 every year!

Kinda the point they made. The class as it is, is very solid, but we missed on a lot of big time talent who would have made this class elite due to poor recruiting strategy

 

[Ironman8]

There are some recruitments I think they did very poorly, but on the flip side there are several I think they absolutely nailed. Barajas, Jones, Taylor, Bilal, Coney and even Wimbush and Dexer Williams. Hit all the right cords with those kids, either eventually getting a switch out of them because of comfort / sell, or keeping them away from hometown powers.

I hope we can start to minimize the bad and learn from our misses, and keep maximizing what helps us get these big wins.

 

[woolybug25]

Anybody ever consider that the staff has a distinct strategy that they stick to? I mean getting angry about the staff not getting #1 classes every year considering they are recruiting better and more consistency than 90%+ of college football? Ever consider that they pair their recruiting strategy with putting together their process for the upcoming year?

Take a breath, fellas. Geez...

 

[anarin]

You laugh but that's literally the point these guys are making. And they are right.

Guess I'll have to have a listen. But man, getting a top 10 class year after year and being accused of being lazy doesn't make much sense to me. Especially when you factor in that a lot of these elite talent kids that everyone wishes we had aren't coming because of grades.

 

[koonja]

Having a top 10 class has more to do with ND being ND than the effort the coaches have put in.

 

[Rizzophil]

There are some recruitments I think they did very poorly, but on the flip side there are several I think they absolutely nailed. Barajas, Jones, Taylor, Bilal, Coney and even Wimbush and Dexer Williams. Hit all the right cords with those kids, either eventually getting a switch out of them because of comfort / sell, or keeping them away from hometown powers.

I hope we can start to minimize the bad and learn from our misses, and keep maximizing what helps us get these big wins.

Best post on the day. Thanks Ironman

Are they getting the info on B Edwards and Y Ross directly from players? Seems overly negative even for ND

 

[Classic Irish]

Having a top 10 class has more to do with ND being ND than the effort the coaches have put in.

Tyrone Willingham says Hi.

 

[Classic Irish]

Guess I'll have to have a listen. But man, getting a top 10 class year after year and being accused of being lazy doesn't make much sense to me. Especially when you factor in that a lot of these elite talent kids that everyone wishes we had aren't coming because of grades.

Or they want a football-first college experience (e.g. Hilliard). In other words: they ain't going to college to play school.

 

[Ironman8]

Best post on the day. Thanks Ironman

Are they getting the info on B Edwards and Y Ross directly from players? Seems overly negative even for ND

I know both those kids said they were very interested in ND at one point. I think we would have had a much better shot at Edwards if we went after him harder (i.e. BVG and BK made him a priority like they did Hilliard and a few others).

I know Ross told people he was feeling ND, but I never thought we would beat out USC for him once they got seriously involved, even if we put on the full court press.

 

[woolybug25]

Having a top 10 class has more to do with ND being ND than the effort the coaches have put in.

Are you too young to remember Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham?

Go look at Willingham's last recruiting class and tell me that "top ten classes have more to do with ND".

 

[NDRock]

One thing about Mike Frank is that he's not what I would consider pessamistic. If he's down on something and comes out and says it on Power Hour than it's legit, IMO. Was a member of his site for a bunch of years and think he does a great job. I personally think Kelly is outta here after this year, we'll see.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I think the point they are making is that Notre Dame has a GREAT class, but could have been even better with some different recruiting strategies. Its not the first time that they have failed to really look down some elite guys.

Is Notre Dame going to be the favorite to lock down Ykili Ross? Hell no, but the kid gave Notre Dame a harder look than anyone will ever know, but you just cant expect Bob Elliott to make that pull by himself. Clearly he did a good enough job to get Notre Dame in the position they were in, but sometimes you need more. Would that have made the difference? We wont know, but ND got Ross out of Cali to South Bend twice in 6 months.

Brian Kelly is doing a good job recruiting. Could he be doing more? Sure. But lets not act like Brian Kelly cant recruit or wont recruit. Some head coaches let their staff have a more hands on approach and thats BK. Urban doesnt have all the extra commitments that BK does outside of football, so that does hurt at some points.

I personally, have no problem with BK recruiting. He has brought in top classes and is willing to stick his staff into places that havent been friendly to ND. I mean ND could pull 3 kids from Louisiana this year. Thats insane if you think about it.

The strategy overall needs to be improved and thats what the podcast was relating to in my opinion.

 

[anarin]

Having a top 10 class has more to do with ND being ND than the effort the coaches have put in.

No...

ND isn't the 80's, 90's ND. The fact that they made the 2012 Natty is more relevant than the big name of ND that used to hold weight.

 

[Classic Irish]

I know both those kids said they were very interested in ND at one point. I think we would have had a much better shot at Edwards if we went after him harder (i.e. BVG and BK made him a priority like they did Hilliard and a few others).

I know Ross told people he was feeling ND, but I never thought we would beat out USC for him once they got seriously involved, even if we put on the full court press.

His quote about spending "the next three years" at southern cal tells you all you really need to know about how he feels about college.

 

[Ironman8]

One thing about Mike Frank is that he's not what I would consider pessamistic. If he's down on something and comes out and says it on Power Hour than it's legit, IMO. Was a member of his site for a bunch of years and think he does a great job. I personally think Kelly is outta here after this year, we'll see.

Even if that is the case, he is leaving the cupboard pretty full for the next coach, and you bet your ass he is going to try his ass of to make sure we win as much as humanly possible next year to maximize his potential worth. If we are going to lose BK to the NFL, this is probably one of the best ways to lose him.

 

[pkt77242]

His quote about spending "the next three years" at southern cal tells you all you really need to know about how he feels about college.

Just to point out that that doesn't matter, Sheldon Day only planned on being here 3 years. Just because someone wants to only be in college three years, doesn't mean that they aren't going to go to ND.

 

[NDRock]

Even if that is the case, he is leaving the cupboard pretty full for the next coach, and you bet your ass he is going to try his ass of to make sure we win as much as humanly possible next year to maximize his potential worth. If we are going to lose BK to the NFL, this is probably one of the best ways to lose him.

I agree and hope he stays as I really like him as the Head Coach. I also worry about NDs ability (or commitment) to get a great Coach if he does go. Either way, I'm hoping next season is a great one.

 

[Classic Irish]

Just to point out that that doesn't matter, Sheldon Day only planned on being here 3 years. Just because someone wants to only be in college three years, doesn't mean that they aren't going to go to ND.

Can you provide the quote by Day? Ross' quote (and decision to commit to that program) suggests, at least to me, that he probably belongs at southern cal and not at ND (i.e. college is just a springboard to the NFL and he doesn't give a damn about education).

 

[woolybug25]

Mark my word, this is a self fulfilling prophecy. Bunch of fans demanding immediate gratification despite years of bad coaches pushes out the only premier coach willing to put up with all of ND's constant bullshit, academic roadblocks, administrative tampering and general time demands.

We sit here crying that we don't like the effort for a blue chip kid from California, I hope y'all don't mind trading that in for three star kids from nowhere like ol Ty gave us. Am I in bizarro world? Do you honestly think that you fire BK and get Meyer? Saban? Stoops? We're not upgrading from Brian Kelly, that dude doesn't exist, and if you think he does, then you are kidding yourself.

Get real, Peter Pan... Count Chocula....

 

[pkt77242]

Can you provide the quote by Day? Ross' quote (and decision to commit to that program) suggests, at least to me, that he probably belongs at southern cal and not at ND (i.e. college is just a springboard to the NFL and he doesn't give a damn about education).

In Sheldon Day's thread EvilleIrish stated that one of Day's HS coaches told him that was Day's plan. Obviously things changed with injuries etc. Day never came out and said it but if you believe Eville then yes that was Day's original plan. It really isn't that shocking, most high 4*/5* recruits probably think that they will be good enough to go pro after 3 years.

 

[connor_in]

I am not saying the staff couldn't do better, but by ISD's description, how does Dantonio have a job at East Lansing?

 

[scUM Hater]

You guys who are so against the recruiting philosophy need to relax. With your thought process you are likening Kelly to Willingham in the recruiting process. Maybe Kelly and his staff know what they want/need. You are basing all your knowledge of a couple talking heads that think they know what the staff is thinking. I believe in Kelly and his staff. Good luck that ND gets some superstar out of this world coach to come if they did fire Kelly. Maybe Kelly has ideas of guys that he can play a safety.

 

[gkIrish]

If you haven't listened to the first half hour of the podcast please do so before commenting further. The point they make is that on the defensive side of the ball we have a very weird approach and causes us to miss out on some really good players that could have been had by simply putting a little more effort in. Things as simple as BK making a phone call. They provide some pretty specific examples. If we have spots filled up at a position we tend to stop recruiting guys that could take that spot if something were to happen. This is what's happening with the Prentice situation. We are doing an awesome job pitching Reid and others but didn't put the time in earlier which puts off some of these recruits. It's really bizarre and easily correctable.

 

[scUM Hater]

And the one guy on this podcast just keeps saying....right......yeah......hhmmm......uh huh...