Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

[philipm31]

Advanced metrics are not the only measurement, and considering how atrocious ND's defense has been for the last two months, I do not see how you can actually say ND has gotten better, as a team, overall.

KR and PR have been just as bad, overall, for the last two months.

Progress means you get better. On defense and ST, ND has regressed mightily since the beginning.

Based on the body of work, there is no way you can objectively or subjectively say ND is making progress as team throughout the year.

Of course, they can only go up from here, hopefully, next year.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Advanced metrics are not the only measurement, and considering how atrocious ND's defense has been for the last two months, I do not see how you can actually say ND has gotten better, as a team, overall.

I never claimed they were "the only measurement", but they at least have the distinction of being a measurement. Surely you'll understand if I credit an objective statistical analysis over your eyeball test.

KR and PR have been just as bad, overall, for the last two months.

Both are ranked 52nd out of 128 D1 program, which is well above average, and a significant improvement over the last few years.

Progress means you get better. On defense and ST, ND has regressed mightily since the beginning.

That's what a rash of injuries will do to an already thin roster.

Based on the body of work, there is no way you can objectively or subjectively say ND is making progress as team throughout the year.

Sure I can. The objective case for the offense and ST has already been made above. But our quality in those two areas has not quite been able to overcome the defensive liability created by all the injuries. Thus the close losses.

 

[philipm31]

Those "very good" teams you reference don't labor under the sort of recruiting and roster management restrictions that Kelly deals with at ND. Kelly bears some blame for the roster holes at ILB and DT since he was Diaco's boss, but we've only got 51 healthy players on scholarship available against USC. And 15/22 players on the defensive two-deep are underclassmen. You can't wave that off as run-of-the-mill bad luck with injuries.



The objective data says otherwise. Our offense is the 2nd most productive it's been in decades, and our STs overall are better than they have been in many years. Whether or not it "seems" that way from your vantage point in the cheap seats is irrelevant.



More hand-waving. When the roster is decimated by injury, our margin for error (which is already really small) basically disappears. It also has the unfortunate effect of simultaneously making individual players far more important to the team's success and less motivated to work in practice, since there's no one pushing them for playing time.

No offense, but I am not the only one who feels that way.

Looking at the ENTIRE year, ND has regressed, period.

And everyone who has watched from the stands or bar stools, in studios, etc. knows this.

And again, I never said the offense was not productive, but laying the majority of our defensive issues at the altar of injuries is just making more excuses, and to use your phrase, "more hand-waving".

Sure, ND has been decimated by injuries, but every ND team will have to deal with these same rigorous demands, and walk that fine line. Which means that our coaching needs to multifaceted and demonstrate an ability to adjust on the fly more than any staff in the nation. IOW, for ND to reach title contention more consistently, ND needs a better staff.

I think Kelly is a decent HC, but maybe he needs to do a better job at crafting a staff.

And I do not mean firing BVG, but perhaps the other assistants may need to be put on notice that they have less than a month to turn things around in a positive direction for next year.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

No offense, but I am not the only one who feels that way.

We have a lot of poorly-informed and overly-entitled fans. The popular appeal of your view is irrelevant to its merits.

Looking at the ENTIRE year, ND has regressed, period.

The timing of our losses makes that painfully obvious. The question is why we have regressed. On one hand, we have a defensive roster that, having been decimated by the draft/graduation, suspension, and injury, is thin even by Weis standards; on the other, we have a stubborn intuition by some fans that Kelly, who has the best record in the nation among active coaches with over 200 wins, is secretly a fraud. The former is a much more credible explanation for this season's regression, but there's apparently some therapeutic value in calling for Kelly's head.

And everyone who has watched from the stands or bar stools, in studios, etc. knows this.

Most of the best-informed posters here disagree with you.

And again, I never said the offense was not productive, but laying the majority of our defensive issues at the altar of injuries is just making more excuses, and to use your phrase, "more hand-waving".

It's not hand-waving. It's a fact that this season's regression coincided with Joe Schmidt's injury, and has only gotten worse since then. But feel free to hold Kelly responsible for all the defensive talent we've lost to the draft/ graduation, suspension and injury. The buck stops with him, amirite?

Sure, ND has been decimated by injuries, but every ND team will have to deal with these same rigorous demands, and walk that fine line.

Not really. Even with our recruiting and roster management restrictions, this has been an absurdly unlucky year. We lost 8/11 starters on our defense to the draft/ graduation. Then we lost another 2 defensive starters and 2 key backups to suspension. And since the Navy game, we've lost a ton more. We basically got to 7-1 with our 2nd string defense (which was an amazing feat), and are now fielding a mix of our 3rd and 4th stringers. That's not normal, even by ND standards.

Which means that our coaching needs to multifaceted and demonstrate an ability to adjust on the fly more than any staff in the nation.

Of course the HC is to blame. Just like the American president is directly responsible for the state of the economy.

IOW, for ND to reach title contention more consistently, ND needs a better staff.

Part of me hopes that Kelly moves on, just so I can repeatedly quote idiotic posts like this when NDFB tanks again in his absence.

I think Kelly is a decent HC, but maybe he needs to do a better job at crafting a staff.

That's reasonable.

 

[Rocket89]

No offense, but I am not the only one who feels that way.

Looking at the ENTIRE year, ND has regressed, period.

And everyone who has watched from the stands or bar stools, in studios, etc. knows this.

And again, I never said the offense was not productive, but laying the majority of our defensive issues at the altar of injuries is just making more excuses, and to use your phrase, "more hand-waving".

Sure, ND has been decimated by injuries, but every ND team will have to deal with these same rigorous demands, and walk that fine line. Which means that our coaching needs to multifaceted and demonstrate an ability to adjust on the fly more than any staff in the nation. IOW, for ND to reach title contention more consistently, ND needs a better staff.

I think Kelly is a decent HC, but maybe he needs to do a better job at crafting a staff.

And I do not mean firing BVG, but perhaps the other assistants may need to be put on notice that they have less than a month to turn things around in a positive direction for next year.

We just played one of our most complete games of the season against Louisville. That was our best overall effort in a month. I thought the staff did a very good job adjusting in that one.

Are we as good as we were early in the season? No, we have so many injuries and are playing more difficult teams. But saying we've regressed as a team lacks nuance and is kind of a simpleton argument, in my opinion.

 

[NDinL.A.]

And yes, injuries and bad luck have to do with SOME of that, but every year teams that are very good battle through injuries and bad luck, but that is not a valid excuse, and that is all it is.

Overall, the coaching each phase where ND has struggled seems to either be worse, or at least stagnant.

And if we are having off the field motivation issues with so many players as seems to be the case, then maybe that needs to be factored into why the team as a whole has not progressed throughout this year, and the Kelly Era, so far.

Serious question...have you coached or played before? Because you keep downplaying injuries and suspensions to quality players as if it's not really a big deal. Well, it is. It is HUGE. I think people that have played sports get this. I'm sure you've played, so I'm wondering why you keep acting as if injuries aren't an acceptable reason for the team regressing.

This next man in mantra is awesome to have, but it's not that easy. Not even close. I've played on teams and coached teams that have lost key players, and too many injuries affects team performance, no matter how great the coach.

You can't lose a possible 2nd round talent at CB right before the season, and then lose his back-up and have to start basically your 4th string soph DB (Butler) and expect to be the same. You can't lose both your starting DT's, and then lose one of their back-ups and expect to show progress. You can't lose the QB of your defense the player your d-coordinator relied so heavily on and called "the smartest player he has EVER coached" and replace him with two green-ass freshmen and expect to show progress. I could go on and on. Sports just doesn't work that way.

I don't think Elston is a good coach, and I've said that for over a year, so you'll get no argument from me there. But the other coaches...I feel for them because they are working with an unbelievable amount of extremely young talent. And it's killing the defense right now.

And as for Kelly being a "decent" coach, well, you completely lost me there and I won't even get into that bc that's a waste of time.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Kelly has developed Golson. I don't know how anybody can see 2012 Golson and the quarterback he is right now and think he hasn't taken tremendous strides in several areas.

Turnovers are going to happen. Yes, the ability to protect the football is very important. But judging a quarterback's development solely on turnovers is wrong.

Golson also isn't slow reading defenses. And he's been able to move the offense at it's fastest pace since Kelly got here.

I was mainly referring to him developing over the course of the season. Making the in-season improvements. In 2012, he did that. He went from an often shellshocked, turnover-prone QB to a well-poised accurate game managing QB with decent legs over the course of the year. That isn't the case this season. Yes, he's a better QB than 2012, but he hasn't made improvements over the year. He's still making the same mistakes, fumbling the ball in infuriating ways, throwing mind boggling interceptions, and still takes forever to get the play called at the line.

 

[Rocket89]

I was mainly referring to him developing over the course of the season. Making the in-season improvements. In 2012, he did that. He went from an often shellshocked, turnover-prone QB to a well-poised accurate game managing QB with decent legs over the course of the year. That isn't the case this season. Yes, he's a better QB than 2012, but he hasn't made improvements over the year. He's still making the same mistakes, fumbling the ball in infuriating ways, throwing mind boggling interceptions, and still takes forever to get the play called at the line.

It's a myth that in-season improvement is supposed to be a linear line. Every player has ups and downs over a full schedule. Golson played better against Louisville than Northwestern. Want to talk about that in terms of improvement?

Golson has also improved in diving down or getting out of bounds when running instead of exposing himself to more fumbles.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up getting plays called at the line. That hasn't been a problem at all this year.

 

[Crazy Balki]

It's a myth that in-season improvement is supposed to be a linear line. Every player has ups and downs over a full schedule. Golson played better against Louisville than Northwestern. Want to talk about that in terms of improvement?

Golson has also improved in diving down or getting out of bounds when running instead of exposing himself to more fumbles.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up getting plays called at the line. That hasn't been a problem at all this year.

The calling plays at the line were more prominent at the beginning of the year, so I guess they've improved in that regard, but it's still an issue.

Sure he looked better against UL than he did against NW, but you can make the same argument that he looked good against Navy and turned around and sucked against ASU, and then again against NW. The issue is he hasn't fixed his turnover problems and kept it consistent. If he keeps the TO's down this week, then perhaps he is finally making improvements. But to this point, he hasn't done so.

 

[kmoose]

I was mainly referring to him developing over the course of the season. Making the in-season improvements. In 2012, he did that. He went from an often shellshocked, turnover-prone QB to a well-poised accurate game managing QB with decent legs over the course of the year. That isn't the case this season. Yes, he's a better QB than 2012, but he hasn't made improvements over the year. He's still making the same mistakes, fumbling the ball in infuriating ways, throwing mind boggling interceptions, and still takes forever to get the play called at the line.

I just feel compelled to point out that Golson may have, in fact, made great improvements over the course of this season. They may just be areas that you and I don't notice so much, because we are not coaches.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I just feel compelled to point out that Golson may have, in fact, made great improvements over the course of this season. They may just be areas that you and I don't notice so much, because we are not coaches.

I really don't get that from Kelly or Golson's body language. Kelly seems at a loss for words for his starting QB, and Golson's moping on the sidelines last week doesn't give me the feeling that he's improved. I just don't see it. He never really had problems with his throwing mechanics, but he has trouble reading when he's about to get hit, takes too long to throw the ball, sometimes has horrendous footwork, and of course the mind boggling turnovers.

 

[anarin]

Philip AND sean in a thread!?!?!?

All we need is irishpat the complete this orgy of madness

 

[kmoose]

I really don't get that from Kelly or Golson's body language. Kelly seems at a loss for words for his starting QB, and Golson's moping on the sidelines last week doesn't give me the feeling that he's improved. I just don't see it. He never really had problems with his throwing mechanics, but he has trouble reading when he's about to get hit, takes too long to throw the ball, sometimes has horrendous footwork, and of course the mind boggling turnovers.

You do realize that footwork is part of throwing mechanics?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I really don't get that from Kelly or Golson's body language. Kelly seems at a loss for words for his starting QB, and Golson's moping on the sidelines last week doesn't give me the feeling that he's improved. I just don't see it. He never really had problems with his throwing mechanics, but he has trouble reading when he's about to get hit, takes too long to throw the ball, sometimes has horrendous footwork, and of course the mind boggling turnovers.

Hmmmm, man he must suck! Definitely hasn't improved. I mean, sure he had the highest QB rating against UL of any QB Louisville's highly-ranked defense has seen since November of 2012 (higher than Blake Bortles and Jameis Winston, among others), but no way did he show improvement!

And sure, he had the highest throwing percentage vs. Louisville of any QB their defense (at one time ranked #1 in the nation) has faced since October 2012, but that was just pure luck...he's regressing!

And yes, his yards per pass against UL shattered every other QB that UL has played since 2012, including Winston's vaunted offense, but again, those are meaningless stats...that's not showing improvement. It was all just luck.

Just because he put up quality numbers in the freezing cold coming off a shoulder injury against an outstanding defense in the 11th game of the season, doesn't mean he's improved. It's obvious...Golson = regression!

 

[koonja]

Hmmmm, man he must suck! Definitely hasn't improved. I mean, sure he had the highest QB rating against UL of any QB Louisville's highly-ranked defense has seen since November of 2012 (higher than Blake Bortles and Jameis Winston, among others), but no way did he show improvement!

And sure, he had the highest throwing percentage vs. Louisville of any QB their defense (at one time ranked #1 in the nation) has faced since October 2012, but that was just pure luck...he's regressing!

And yes, his yards per pass against UL shattered every other QB that UL has played since 2012, including Winston's vaunted offense, but again, those are meaningless stats...that's not showing improvement. It was all just luck.

Just because he put up quality numbers in the freezing cold coming off a shoulder injury against an outstanding defense in the 11th game of the season, doesn't mean he's improved. It's obvious...Golson = regression!

Using Golson's QBR of 50 to make the point that he's improved isn't the best argument. You're also wrong. Jameis and NC State's Brissett both had higher QBR's than Golson this year against Louisville, and Bortles and Cincinnati's Kay both had better QBRs in 2013 (didn't look all of the way back to 2012).


Wrong again. Golson did have a solid completion percentage against Louisville with 66.6%, but Murray State's KD Humphries boasted a 72% completion percentage in a loss to Louisville this year (again, didn't go that far back).


And I wouldn't give you a hard time over this one if you didn't say 'his yards per pass against UL shattered every other QB that UL has played since 2012'. But wrong again. Golson did have 9.8 YPP this year vs. Louisville, but BC's Murphy topped that with 9.9. Safe to say Golson didn't shatter that.

If you're going to use stats to back your arguments, I'd suggest not using a crappy one to base your argument on (QBR of 50 is nothing to write home about). Secondly, I'd suggest actually looking at the stats, lol.

Can't speak for Sean or whoever else is in this, but to me, it's not that Golson has regressed. It's simply that he's not showing improvement you'd expect from a 2nd year starter that's 11 games in to this season. Same mental mistakes. Missing the middle of the field, not tucking the ball when pressured, taking unnecessary hits (although I think he's tried to improve this but been under so much pressure it's been tough on him).

 

[Crazy Balki]

Using Golson's QBR of 50 to make the point that he's improved isn't the best argument. You're also wrong. Jameis and NC State's Brissett both had higher QBR's than Golson this year against Louisville, and Bortles and Cincinnati's Kay both had better QBRs in 2013 (didn't look all of the way back to 2012).


Wrong again. Golson did have a solid completion percentage against Louisville with 66.6%, but Murray State's KD Humphries boasted a 72% completion percentage in a loss to Louisville this year (again, didn't go that far back).


And I wouldn't give you a hard time over this one if you didn't say 'his yards per pass against UL shattered every other QB that UL has played since 2012'. But wrong again. Golson did have 9.8 YPP this year vs. Louisville, but BC's Murphy topped that with 9.9. Safe to say Golson didn't shatter that.

If you're going to use stats to back your arguments, I'd suggest not using a crappy one to base your argument on (QBR of 50 is nothing to write home about). Secondly, I'd suggest actually looking at the stats, lol.

Can't speak for Sean or whoever else is in this, but to me, it's not that Golson has regressed. It's simply that he's not showing improvement you'd expect from a 2nd year starter that's 11 games in to this season. Same mental mistakes. Missing the middle of the field, not tucking the ball when pressured, taking unnecessary hits (although I think he's tried to improve this but been under so much pressure it's been tough on him).

Saved me the work. I don't see it necessarily as a regression, but inconsistency and an inability to fix mistakes. I also don't think Louisville has that good of a defense. I think they just haven't played any good teams to boast about. Sure they held Miami in check, but FSU torched them for 42 points and Dalvin Cook went off on them. This is the same offense that ND held to just 50 yards rushing on the road.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Using Golson's QBR of 50 to make the point that he's improved isn't the best argument. You're also wrong. Jameis and NC State's Brissett both had higher QBR's than Golson this year against Louisville, and Bortles and Cincinnati's Kay both had better QBRs in 2013 (didn't look all of the way back to 2012).

In typical kuenja fasion, you backed the wrong horse here. Your obsession with Sean is weird, but it actually makes sense.

Anyway, I'm not wrong here. News flash: There are other QBR's than the one you used. I'm sure you used ESPN's (probably the worst one out there, but whatever). Golson, using another matrix, had a QB rating of 164, with the next highest being Bortles at 142. Look it up sport.

Wrong again. Golson did have a solid completion percentage against Louisville with 66.6%, but Murray State's KD Humphries boasted a 72% completion percentage in a loss to Louisville this year (again, didn't go that far back)

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So hold up...you're going with a guy that didn't start and played against back-ups in 40 point blow-out as your argument? Seriously? OK, well, I'll look at the STARTING QB who completed well under 50% vs. UL's starters. And then I'll look at what Golson did against UL's starters in a tight game for 4 quarters. But that's just me. Nice try sport.

And I wouldn't give you a hard time over this one if you didn't say 'his yards per pass against UL shattered every other QB that UL has played since 2012'. But wrong again. Golson did have 9.8 YPP this year vs. Louisville, but BC's Murphy topped that with 9.9. Safe to say Golson didn't shatter that.

Mea culpa. You got me there...I missed that one. Murphy was awesome that day. 149 yards and 4 picks? He KILLED UL's defense that day! Great point there. Every other QB shreds UL's defense, but Golson has regressed. (damn, you two Henry's and Lloyd's basically write my arguments for me LOL).

If you're going to use stats to back your arguments, I'd suggest not using a crappy one to base your argument on (QBR of 50 is nothing to write home about). Secondly, I'd suggest actually looking at the stats, lol.

Ohhhhh, the irony.

Listen, I know you're the guy that was insisting Zaire was better because he had a great spring scrimmage against no blitzes and no hitting (still "LOL"ing at that one), so I get that your knowledge on the game is limited. And I get that you have a hard-on for trying to get over on me ever since you made that stupid argument. But you might want to quit on this one...backing ND "The Warrior" Sean is a stupid play.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Saved me the work.

Considering how poor a job he did, you might want to re-think that strategy.

I don't see it necessarily as a regression, but inconsistency and an inability to fix mistakes.

You keep saying on this thread that he hasn't improved. Have you seen what the offense has done this year??? You ripped his performance against NW, and yet the offense put up 40 friggin' points in bad weather conditions, and he still put up 3 TD's and only one INT, with a 68 TD run to boot.

The problem is you have unrealistic expectations of this team and these players. You expect every recruit to fall in love with Notre Dame and ridicule pretty much every other university, as If ND is the best fit for everyone we recruit. You expected our BRAND NEW left tackle and left guard to be BETTER than our departed senior 1st and 3rd round draft picks (just think about that for a second). You once expected a kid that didn't even have us in his top 5, to sign with ND after he decommitted from MSU, and were incredulous when we tried to tell you that he wasn't even considering ND.

So of course Golson isn't good enough for you. I guess we should forget the fact that our offense has put up the best numbers in the Kelly era by a mile and that Golson has more TD's in his 2nd season that Clausen did his prolific 3rd season, and that QB's historically have shown great improvement from their 2nd to 3rd seasons (look at Clausen, Quinn, Young, and a myriad of others). I get why people are pissed (the turnovers are maddening), but I don't get that people can't see the big picture.

I also don't think Louisville has that good of a defense. I think they just haven't played any good teams to boast about. Sure they held Miami in check, but FSU torched them for 42 points and Dalvin Cook went off on them. This is the same offense that ND held to just 50 yards rushing on the road.

Wow. I guess I'll just agree to disagree there. 3 years of them having a dominant defense both statistically and them passing the eye test AND the fact that pretty much every single analyst disagrees with you says you're wrong here, but I'm not going to waste anymore time on this one.

 

[dshans]

Relax, NDinL.A. Happy Thanksgiving. Rock Out:

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[philipm31]

Serious question...have you coached or played before? Because you keep downplaying injuries and suspensions to quality players as if it's not really a big deal. Well, it is. It is HUGE. I think people that have played sports get this. I'm sure you've played, so I'm wondering why you keep acting as if injuries aren't an acceptable reason for the team regressing.

This next man in mantra is awesome to have, but it's not that easy. Not even close. I've played on teams and coached teams that have lost key players, and too many injuries affects team performance, no matter how great the coach.

You can't lose a possible 2nd round talent at CB right before the season, and then lose his back-up and have to start basically your 4th string soph DB (Butler) and expect to be the same. You can't lose both your starting DT's, and then lose one of their back-ups and expect to show progress. You can't lose the QB of your defense the player your d-coordinator relied so heavily on and called "the smartest player he has EVER coached" and replace him with two green-ass freshmen and expect to show progress. I could go on and on. Sports just doesn't work that way.

I don't think Elston is a good coach, and I've said that for over a year, so you'll get no argument from me there. But the other coaches...I feel for them because they are working with an unbelievable amount of extremely young talent. And it's killing the defense right now.

And as for Kelly being a "decent" coach, well, you completely lost me there and I won't even get into that bc that's a waste of time.

Yes I have played, and I realize that injuries have taken a tremendous toll on the team.

However, not all the struggles are injury-related, that is my point.

And when injuries inevitably come, then you need to be able to adjust quickly, moreso at ND because of their rigorous approach to academics and athletics, which leaves them thinner than most elite teams.

Still, the coaches know this, and I think their ability to adapt their schemes, etc. has been somewhat lacking. Do I think the staff and team are playing with the deck stacked against them due to things beyond their control? Yes. Has that significantly hampered what ND could do on defense? Yes.

Still, KELLY KNOWS THIS and still tries to play uptempo every game despite our extremely thin defense, resulting in us wearing down the defense to a nub and forcing our offense to try to outscore teams like his 09 Bearcats, who played a much easier schedule.

So, yeah, Kelly is a "good" coach, but he needed to actually adjust his approach to the situation on the sidelines and training room more adeptly than he has, and I feel that just as much of the Irish's struggles have to do with coaching than injuries.

Also, BVG should have probably installed a scaled-down version of his NFL style defense, so if ND did get into this kind of situation, then we could at least have most people closer to understanding the scheme.

Sure, talent is fantastic to have, but ND does not have elite talent at every position, and consequently need to have elite coaching talent at nearly every level to combat that inherent obstacle to football success.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Is Kelly REALLY a good coach?

Is Kelly REALLY a good coach?

"You haven't played, so you can't have an opinion" rivals "You didn't go to ND, so you can't be a fan" IMO.

I know many people who have never touched a football that put my knowledge to shame, and a few alum who couldn't care less about the football team.

*This place has more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video did......

 

[NDinL.A.]

"You haven't played, so you can't have an opinion" rivals "You didn't go to ND, so you can't be a fan" IMO.

I know many people who have never touched a football that put my knowledge to shame, and a few alum who couldn't care less about the football team.

*This place has more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video did......

That wasn't my point at all.

My point was that anybody who has played or coached team sports knows what a devastating impact injuries can have on a team. If you haven't played or coached, then you might not realize how badly injuries can affect a team.

 

[BeauBenken]

"You haven't played, so you can't have an opinion" rivals "You didn't go to ND, so you can't be a fan" IMO.

I know many people who have never touched a football that put my knowledge to shame, and a few alum who couldn't care less about the football team.

*This place has more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video did......

I agree with this. Plenty of good coaches who never played college ball (although it's hard as hell to get into college coaching if you didn't play at the level), however I don't think anyone said this (granted I only skimmed NDinLa's wall of text). It appears to me that NDinLA wondered if he had played at all because had he, it seems almost unbelievable that he would downplay the injuries like he has.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Relax, NDinL.A. Happy Thanksgiving. Rock Out:

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I'm plenty relaxed. I haven't had to time to post much these past few months, and I finally got a minute. Debate is fun. It relaxes me, anyway.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

 

[Black Irish]

"You haven't played, so you can't have an opinion" rivals "You didn't go to ND, so you can't be a fan" IMO.

I know many people who have never touched a football that put my knowledge to shame, and a few alum who couldn't care less about the football team.

*This place has more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video did......

Agree. The lack of porn is pretty weak.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

That wasn't my point at all.



My point was that anybody who has played or coached team sports knows what a devastating impact injuries can have on a team. If you haven't played or coached, then you might not realize how badly injuries can affect a team.

I agree with the injuries part. No worries LA, wasn't personal.

 

[NorthDakota]

"You haven't played, so you can't have an opinion" rivals "You didn't go to ND, so you can't be a fan" IMO.

I know many people who have never touched a football that put my knowledge to shame, and a few alum who couldn't care less about the football team.

*This place has more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video did......

Very frustrating that any Notre Dame fan would pull a "you didn't go to nd" card.

 

[oddz313]

kelly

kelly

He undresses his players in front of the media, his teams make too many mistakes and he lost his team this year (maybe players don't like a coach that throws them under the bus). I think he is a decent coach but not good enough to be elite. Notre Dame is a tough place to coach with high expectations but you also have prestige,facilities, tv contracts and money in South Bend.

 

[Irish Insanity]

He undresses his players in front of the media, his teams make too many mistakes and he lost his team this year (maybe players don't like a coach that throws them under the bus). I think he is a decent coach but not good enough to be elite. Notre Dame is a tough place to coach with high expectations but you also have prestige,facilities, tv contracts and money in South Bend.

Very well said.

 

[chicago51]

Sure Kelly is a good coach. You the man has won at multiple stops along the way. Has Kelly been a good coach this year? Hard to say he has been. Coaching like players often vary in performance from game to game and even year to year. Even with all the suspensions and inexperience it is hard to justify that Brian Kelly has been a good coach in 2014 but the overall results say he is a good coach.