Interesting Test For Playoff Committee

[phork]

So with the recent CFP rankings we see:

1. Alabama
2. tOSU
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. PennSt
8. Colorado
9. OU
10. OKSU

With all the blah blah about conference championships mattering (RE: ND Join a conference or else you will be left out because you don't play 13 games) we are on the precipice of something interesting come Saturday night.

Alabama is in, even if they lose. tOSU is in because no more games to play (Wait, you said conference championships matter). Here is the sketchy part. If Clemson or Washington, or both lose do you put in Michigan AND/OR the BIG10 winner? Or does Oklahoma jump the BIG10 winner AND Michigan and get in as their defacto BIG12 championship on Saturday would crown them conference champs?

In my opinion if Wisconsin wins and a Clemson or Washington lose then they would jump Michigan for the #4 spot. Unless its a tight game and Colorado fist humps Washington, then I could see Colorado jumping all the BIG10 teams as well.

Thoughts?

 

[johnnycando]

I believe they take conference champs unless a conference or team, like ND, is unmarred to the extent of really looking like the better product given head-to-head wins.

In this case, the conference championship would then become both an enemy or friend- that is if said team won.

All this will prove is that decisive metrics built in place to avoid favorites and opinions via the "eyeball test" are just bullshit.

Essentially they should get away from conference championships and continue to pick the beauty, two others, and a dark horse.

CFB really doesn't GAF anyways, until a 16 team play off is in place.

 

[notredomer23]

I don't think PSU would make it ahead of UM if PSU wins and Clemson or Washington lose. PSU was absolutely dominated by them. I think Wisconsin could jump UM though. That was a one possession game throughout at the Big House. That has to be taken into consideration.

With all that said, I will be surprised if Bama, Clemson, and Washington don't all win.

 

[phork]

I also believe that the committee is now posturing to give Michigan an angle to get into the top4, RE: TV Revenue.

 

[tussin]

I think PSU should be in if Wash/Clemson lose and PSU takes care of business.

PSU has been dominating teams in impressive fashion in the second half of games. They are a straight up good team. Contrast that to Michigan, who peaked early in the season and has been disappointing overall for the last month and a half.

 

[BabyIrish]

I think if Clemson and Washington lose the big 10 gets three teams in.

 

[dang227]

PSU is a fraud in my opinion. Beat OSU and absolutely no one else. The BIg 10 has 2.5 good teams. Everyone else is average or below. I am not sure why everyone is on that league's nuts.

 

[BabyIrish]

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[ACamp1900]

I think if Clemson and Washington lose the big 10 gets three teams in.

 

[GATTACA!]

What would it take to get Western Michigan in? Whatever it is, that's what I'm rooting for.

 

[ACamp1900]

What would it take to get Western Michigan in? Whatever it is, that's what I'm rooting for.

Them vs Bama would be the most widely released snuff film ever.

 

[Blaise]

I think PSU should be in if Wash/Clemson lose and PSU takes care of business.

PSU has been dominating teams in impressive fashion in the second half of games. They are a straight up good team. Contrast that to Michigan, who peaked early in the season and has been disappointing overall for the last month and a half.

I guess I find it hard seeing PSU hop MI when MI beat them by 39.. Same goes for Colorado, when MI beat them by 20

 

[drayer54]

It doesn't matter. Bama is going to do bad things to whoever lines up against them.

 

[Irish2155]

I think if Clemson and Washington lose the big 10 gets three teams in.

3 B10 teams would almost guarantee expanding the playoffs to 8 teams. Don't you think? Especially if it leaves out two two loss conference champs.

 

[phork]

3 B10 teams would almost guarantee expanding the playoffs to 8 teams. Don't you think? Especially if it leaves out two two loss conference champs.

Then college football starts to lose itself. That OSU/M game now becomes irrelevant. We have defacto 8 team playoffs, its call conference championships. Clemson & Washington losing would mean Wisconsin/PSU is in, along with either Colorado or Oklahoma. I just think Michigan is on the outside looking in at this point.

I guess I find it hard seeing PSU hop MI when MI beat them by 39.. Same goes for Colorado, when MI beat them by 20

But the question is/are, is this the same PSU/Colorado team M played way back when? The 4 best teams in America after these championship games would/should include a 10-3 BIG Championship team.

 

[Blaise]

But the question is/are, is this the same PSU/Colorado team M played way back when? The 4 best teams in America after these championship games would/should include a 10-3 BIG Championship team.

Michigan currently has 3 wins over top teams in their rankings and a over time loss to the #2 at OSU... If your goal is to get best 4 teams. I don't think a Penn St is better than Michigan. Penn St has 1 win in the top 25 and lost to MI by 39...

 

[Henges24]

I think #FvckMichigan

 

[phork]

Michigan currently has 3 wins over top teams in their rankings and a over time loss to the #2 at OSU... If your goal is to get best 4 teams. I don't think a Penn St is better than Michigan. Penn St has 1 win in the top 25 and lost to MI by 39...

PennSt would have 2, and an extra win. Michigan also lost 2 of their last 3 games and PennSt is better than they were when Michigan played them.

So if you have Team A, 11-2 have won their last 9 games, including a conference championship and beat the two teams that Team B just lost to, one by a WIDE margin and then Team B who is 10-2, looked unimpressive in their last 3 games and lost 2 of them. Not to mention won only one game outside their home state. Which team passes the eye test? Take the names away and think rationally for a minute.

When they say the 4 best teams, they mean RIGHT NOW. Not in September.

 

[Blaise]

PennSt would have 2, and an extra win. Michigan also lost 2 of their last 3 games and PennSt is better than they were when Michigan played them.

So if you have Team A, 11-2 have won their last 9 games, including a conference championship and beat the two teams that Team B just lost to, one by a WIDE margin and then Team B who is 10-2, looked unimpressive in their last 3 games and lost 2 of them. Not to mention won only one game outside their home state. Which team passes the eye test? Take the names away and think rationally for a minute.

When they say the 4 best teams, they mean RIGHT NOW. Not in September.

I think head to head matters... IF last year the final playoff spot came down to ND or Texas.. and Texas went 11-1 after the whooping to ND and we lost to Stanford to end year.. and Texas got in because they are a different team in November then Sept.. this board would of rioted..

Sorry but to me head to head still matters.. If a team wins by 39 in regular season, and all else is pretty much equal, The team that wins goes..

Also.. No team has EVER hopped from outside the top 5 to make the final 4 in the last week.. Teams have dropped, but I can't see #7 jumping into top 4

 

[Legacy]

From CFP Selection Protocol:

The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, Presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best
teams in the country. When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:

 Championships won
 Strength of schedule
 Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
 Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory)

Blind study: Comparing four College Football Playoff contenders

 

[tussin]

I think head to head matters... IF last year the final playoff spot came down to ND or Texas.. and Texas went 11-1 after the whooping to ND and we lost to Stanford to end year.. and Texas got in because they are a different team in November then Sept.. this board would of rioted..

Sorry but to me head to head still matters.. If a team wins by 39 in regular season, and all else is pretty much equal, The team that wins goes..

Also.. No team has EVER hopped from outside the top 5 to make the final 4 in the last week.. Teams have dropped, but I can't see #7 jumping into top 4

I believe that PSU was without their top 5 (!!!) linebackers against Michigan and was forced to play all walk-ons or kids that never played the position before. Bell and Cabinda are arguably their best players on defense and both were out.

I don't mean that as an excuse for why they lost, but PSU is simply not the same team as they were in the early season.

 

[Blaise]

I believe that PSU was without their top 5 (!!!) linebackers against Michigan and was forced to play all walk-ons or kids that never played the position before. Bell and Cabinda are arguably their best players on defense and both were out.

I don't mean that as an excuse for why they lost, but PSU is simply not the same team as they were in the early season.

I'm not saying they are the same team, but 39 points is still a 39 point drubbing.. Obviously PC sees that which is why MI is 5 and PSU is 7.. Don't see how beating WISC, hops multiple spots in top 4,, All I am saying... No one has ever done that

 

[phork]

I'm not saying they are the same team, but 39 points is still a 39 point drubbing.. Obviously PC sees that which is why MI is 5 and PSU is 7.. Don't see how beating WISC, hops multiple spots in top 4,, All I am saying... No one has ever done that

Because they just won the conference that Michigan didn't. Played an extra game against a top10 team and won, while Michigan sat at home.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Interesting Test For Playoff Committee

The regular season is becoming more and more meaningless each year. It's a shame. What used to make CFB better than any other sport is literally EVERY week used to be a "playoff game."

 

[Irish Insanity]

Because they just won the conference that Michigan didn't. Played an extra game against a top10 team and won, while Michigan sat at home.

And UM lost 2 of its last 3. Only won 1 true road game, vs a horrible Rutgers team

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm not saying they are the same team, but 39 points is still a 39 point drubbing.. Obviously PC sees that which is why MI is 5 and PSU is 7.. Don't see how beating WISC, hops multiple spots in top 4,, All I am saying... No one has ever done that

The only way UM should be in the playoffs is if Washington and Clemson both lose. And even then it would be debatable. You can't leave the Big 10 champ out but put 2 teams from that conference that didn't even make the conference championship game in. And OSU and Bama are both already locked in. Even if Bama loses.

 

[Irish2155]

If UW gets beat by Colorado and PSU wins the B10, I'm not sure why Scum wouldn't get in. That'd be two ass whoopings against conference champs and an OT loss against #2 in the country (who beat the snot out of the B12 champ) on the road.

Clemson's best wins are against two 3 loss teams, one just got stomped by Kentucky. And...their loss is against a 6-4 team. Hope VT beats them bc I don't think they're all that good.

 

[Irish Insanity]

If UW gets beat by Colorado and PSU wins the B10, I'm not sure why Scum wouldn't get in. That'd be two ass whoopings against conference champs and an OT loss against #2 in the country (who beat the snot out of the B12 champ) on the road.

Clemson's best wins are against two 3 loss teams, one just got stomped by Kentucky. And...their loss is against a 6-4 team. Hope VT beats them bc I don't think they're all that good.

You would put UofM in before PSU? A team with the same amount of losses and 1 more win and the conference champ? Who won down the stretch? I get there is a head to head they lost. But that was early in the season and the fact they beat OSU where UofM lost cancels that out for me. Plus, as I stated, UofM lost 2 of its last 3 and only won 1 of its road games. Against Rutgers.

 

[Irish2155]

You would put UofM in before PSU? A team with the same amount of losses and 1 more win and the conference champ? Who won down the stretch? I get there is a head to head they lost. But that was early in the season and the fact they beat OSU where UofM lost cancels that out for me. Plus, as I stated, UofM lost 2 of its last 3 and only won 1 of its road games. Against Rutgers.

Early in the season? Pretty sure it was conference play and think at least week 4...closer to half way to me. Can we please stop with that?

And no, I'd put both Mich and PSU (maybe Wisky too) in over Clemson. Best 4 teams right? I understand that is hard to justify having just one loss - even though it was a bad loss, best wins aren't very good, played a lot of close games against alright competition plus their colors are fugly.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Early in the season? Pretty sure it was conference play and think at least week 4...closer to half way to me. Can we please stop with that?

And no, I'd put both Mich and PSU (maybe Wisky too) in over Clemson. Best 4 teams right? I understand that is hard to justify having just one loss - even though it was a bad loss, best wins aren't very good, played a lot of close games against alright competition plus their colors are fugly.

Game 4 of 12 is in the first 3rd of the season. I'd call that early. Games 1-4 early, 5-8 mid, and 9-12 late. And I doubt any committee member would put the 3rd best B1G team in over a conference champion (if Clemson wins).