Infinity War SPOILER discussion.

[Irishnuke]

Ok, we have to create a new thread because it’s too hard to talk about this movie without including spoilers. So obviously go see the movie before reading this thread.


Obviously the people that turned to dust will come back. Heimdall, Loki, Gamora, and Vision appears to be permanently dead though.

 

[Woneone]

Ok, we have to create a new thread because it’s too hard to talk about this movie without including spoilers. So obviously go see the movie before reading this thread.


Obviously the people that turned to dust will come back. Heimdall, Loki, Gamora, and Vision appears to be permanently dead though.

I think Gamora (Zoe Saldana) is contracted through GotG vol. 3, so I'd assume she'll be brought back.

My thought is that they'll use her to provide an initial separation of the stones from Thanos in the next movie, sort of how Warlock did in the actual Infinity Gauntlet comics at the end. She'll emerge from the Soul World (I think), in some capacity.

 

[irishnd31]

Is there anyone that is permanently dead tho. I mean Thanos was able to turn back time to get the stone in visions head. Can something be done along those lines to bring everyone back?

 

[irishnd31]

On a side note, really excited to see Captain Marvel and how she fits into all of this. Also heard someone talking about Adam Warlock and him being mentioned in post credit scene from one of the movies.

 

[Irishnuke]

On a side note, really excited to see Captain Marvel and how she fits into all of this. Also heard someone talking about Adam Warlock and him being mentioned in post credit scene from one of the movies.

James Gunn said he won’t make an appearance until Guardians 3

 

[irishnd31]

James Gunn said he won’t make an appearance until Guardians 3

Ok thanks. I’ve honestly never heard of him but I guess he’s supposed to be pretty tough. Can’t wait to see Larson involved.

 

[wizards8507]

Obviously the people that turned to dust will come back. Heimdall, Loki, Gamora, and Vision appears to be permanently dead though.

Vision was never alive in the first place. He could be replicated a billion times out on a hard drive some place, just like Ultron.

 

[IrishLion]

Really really liked the movie.

Kind of bummed they have desensitized the feeling of “death” with the mass culling, feels like sort of a “jump the shark” moment. Once everyone comes back, it will make death less meaningful in all the movies moving forward (depending on HOW they bring everyone back, they could eliminate any loopholes, I guess, but they need to do it carefully).

Captain’s entrance to the film? So badass.

Thanos’ emissary was a BAMF. Wish he wasn’t so short-lived, though he is obviously the best positioned to have cheated death somehow out in space.

Really like how they subverted the “Will it be Cap or Stark that bites the dust?” by killing nearly everyone except those two lol. I bet there will be a grand trade-off in Avengers 4 where one or both has to die in exchange for bringing everyone else back.

Got pissed when my boy T’Challa turned to dust; gut-wrenching when Peter Parker was clinging to Stark and saying he didn’t want to go.

Thor might be the GOAT now. He put the fuckin’ team on his back. I also like that they found a way to show that he is naturally OP by virtue of being a literal god, while at the same time not taking it too far.

He is the only character that can withstand a straight shot from the star forge, and I think that was a perfect application of his god powers. Sufficiently taxing to his extreme abilities, and yet they show those limits without using him to simply force a plot resolution.

Any guesses on how they undo everything?

My first theory was that Gamora somehow stole the reality stone, and will bring everyone back from behind the vale or something, or else that she HERSELF was the soul stone, and she will bring all the lost souls back somehow.

My other theory is that Doctor Strange somehow set a massive time loop on the Time Stone, like he did with Dormamu in his own film. He saw all the potential endings, after all, and so he knew it was necessary to let Thanos complete the Gauntlet. Don’t quite know how that knowledge goes forward while he’s dust, though, so a time loop centralized to the stone is my guess.

Also got chills when Groot lent himself to forge Stormbreaker’s handle and bring Thor back. Badass stuff.

 

[Woneone]

Kind of bummed they have desensitized the feeling of “death” with the mass culling, feels like sort of a “jump the shark” moment. Once everyone comes back, it will make death less meaningful in all the movies moving forward (depending on HOW they bring everyone back, they could eliminate any loopholes, I guess, but they need to do it carefully).

Being a huge comic nerd, I was actually a little disappointed on how quickly the actual snapping of the fingers took place. That scene in Infinity Gauntlet is one of the most iconic panels in comics history. Yet, in the movie, it really happened and you were not sure what had just occurred until people started melting away.

But, the ending brought me back up. When Thanos shows up at the house and smiles, it's a very similar location to the ending of Infinity Gauntlet when Warlock visits him. I loved that.

That's my favorite take-away as a comic fan. This wasn't the Infinity Gauntlet story per say (mostly due to licensing and the difference in the mediums), but a mashing up of a few different stories together, and they did it wonderfully.

 

[Irishnuke]

About Gamora possibly steaming the reality stone, I don’t think that’s feasible because I don’t think she’s strong enough to use it, and it was also necessary for Thanos to have all of the stones for the snap.

As far as the mass turning to dust, I don’t know what else they would have done. Somehow half the universe had to disappear, I can’t really think of a different or better way to do that. It’s pretty weird that only the OG Avengers are left. Those are some pretty crazy odds. I don’t think they all make it out of Avengers 4 though.

No clue how they undo everything but obviously Captain Marvel is going to play a huge part. I hope she has a substantial role in Avengers 4, screen time wise that is. I also believe Ant-Man and the Wasp are going to have an important role. Maybe they can actually sthrink inside of one gems.

I get that Vision was never “alive,” but he was very clearly activated or brought to life by the mind stone. I also though that he would be fine without it, but he looks pretty freaking dead to me.

 

[greyhammer90]

I thought it was a good movie, not great. But I think it was nearly the best movie that could have been made under the circumstances, so I give them a lot of credit for that. It's really difficult to include 20ish characters and have them work and to give everyone a "moment" and to have the humor/drama/action formula that Marvel has made a staple of their movies. So I think it had some issues but those are a result of the limitations of an Avengers movie not so much the filmmakers.

 

[irishnd31]

I may have missed it because I had my daughter there who had to use the bathroom but did they ever say what only Gamora knows when she asked Star Lorde to kill her if Thanos got her?

 

[greyhammer90]

I may have missed it because I had my daughter there who had to use the bathroom but did they ever say what only Gamora knows when she asked Star Lorde to kill her if Thanos got her?

It was the location of the Soul Stone

 

[irishnd31]

It was the location of the Soul Stone

Thanks buddy. We were bathroom bound as Thanos held Gamora and StarLorde had the gun to Thanos

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Being a huge comic nerd, I was actually a little disappointed on how quickly the actual snapping of the fingers took place. That scene in Infinity Gauntlet is one of the most iconic panels in comics history. Yet, in the movie, it really happened and you were not sure what had just occurred until people started melting away.

But, the ending brought me back up. When Thanos shows up at the house and smiles, it's a very similar location to the ending of Infinity Gauntlet when Warlock visits him. I loved that.

That's my favorite take-away as a comic fan. This wasn't the Infinity Gauntlet story per say (mostly due to licensing and the difference in the mediums), but a mashing up of a few different stories together, and they did it wonderfully.

I was half hoping for him to use his suit as a scarecrow and start farming.

 

[Cackalacky]

My thoughts are that Dr. strange knows exactly what will happen by what he saw in the future which is the importance of his last line and why he gave Thanos the time stone. Could Dr. Strange use the time stone to reset to an alternate time line after Thanos is defeated? IDK. Possibly.

I believe everyone who dies pre snap is dead but Gamorra seems tied to the soul stone so maybe there is a possibility of ressurecting her. Loki May have played dead again. Not sure. Heimdal is definitely dead.

Corvis Glave is still alive. He can’t be killed if his staff is intact but I don’t recall what happened to it at the end. I believe it’s still in Wakanda, post snap.

Brie Larson can’t here fast enough.

 

[Cackalacky]

I knew Red Skull was out there still...... Love seeing him show up again and still be alive as well.

 

[Irishnuke]

Fun fact: Red Skull was played by Ross Marquand who plays Aaron on the Walking Dead. Hugo Weaving apparently did not enjoy his time in the MCU.

 

[IrishLion]

As far as the mass turning to dust, I don’t know what else they would have done. Somehow half the universe had to disappear, I can’t really think of a different or better way to do that. It’s pretty weird that only the OG Avengers are left. Those are some pretty crazy odds. I don’t think they all make it out of Avengers 4 though.

I didn’t mean that the finger snap itself was jumping the shark. It obviously needed to happen, and it sets up the plot of the next movie as they need to find a resolution.

The part that kind of “jumps the shark” for me is the fact of WHO died. Almost all of the main characters that died from the finger snap will need to come back, so it feels as if the steaks and finality of death from the finger-snap are kind of cheapened. We know Peter Parker, Peter Quill and T’Challa are coming back because they all have sequels on deck.

It would have been more meaningful had Captain and/or Stark been involved, because there would still be the chance that some grand sacrifice is needed where some of those initial deaths from the finger snap are permanent. Like, Captain and Iron Man have to stay dead in order to allow the trillions of other souls to pass back into existence or something.

I’m doing a poor job of expressing why it cheapens the idea of “death” for me in the MCU moving forward. It just lessens the blow, I think, knowing that most of those people HAVE to come back. And I also realize that sounds kind of crazy considering they started with a few meaningful and seemingly permanent deaths.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

The Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War was my favorite story as a kid. It breaks my heart to not see Adam Warlock and the silver surfer in this but what they have created for the MCU is quite remarkable.
I was hoping for a Beta Ray Bill reference when they introduced stormbreaker.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

My kid looked at me when it was over and said, "That was the shortest movie we ever saw!"

He couldn't believe that we were in the theater for almost three hours.


It was really good considering how difficult it is to write and film that many characters.

I echo earlier comments that killing Panther, Spidey, and all the Guardians kind of ruins the "deaths" since we know they have films in the works.

Strange saw the one way to win and put that future in motion.



*prediction:

Someone (Thor) is going to wear the gauntlet and reverse the deaths sacrificing himself, Stark and probably Cap (all the big expiring contacts) in the process. Antman film will be them dealing with half the world's population turning to ash and Spiderman 2 will be him dealing with Stark's (MCU's Uncle Ben) death.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

The Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War was after my time as a comic collector.

My introduction to Thanos and Adam Warlock was a two part story arc: Avengers Annual #7 and Marvel Two in One Annual #2 where Spidey and the Thing save everyone. That 2 in 1 was always my favorite stand alone story as a kid.

 

[zelezo vlk]

No Thanoscopter means this movie was a failure

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[Irishnuke]

My kid looked at me when it was over and said, "That was the shortest movie we ever saw!"

He couldn't believe that we were in the theater for almost three hours.


It was really good considering how difficult it is to write and film that many characters.

I echo earlier comments that killing Panther, Spidey, and all the Guardians kind of ruins the "deaths" since we know they have films in the works.

Strange saw the one way to win and put that future in motion.



*prediction:

Someone (Thor) is going to wear the gauntlet and reverse the deaths sacrificing himself, Stark and probably Cap (all the big expiring contacts) in the process. Antman film will be them dealing with half the world's population turning to ash and Spiderman 2 will be him dealing with Stark's (MCU's Uncle Ben) death.

Ant-Man and the Wasp is supposed to take place before Infinity War.

 

[Woneone]

It will be interesting to see what origin story they give Captain Marvel. I thought Fox owned the rights to most of the Galactic content of the Marvel universe, and I know this is a spoiler thread but I don't want to spoil another movie, but Captain Marvel isn't "exactly" human, and I'd assume some of her history would fall under Fox properties.

That, plus a good part of her history is with the X-Men, so I'm really wondering how they fill in the blanks.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fun fact: Red Skull was played by Ross Marquand who plays Aaron on the Walking Dead. Hugo Weaving apparently did not enjoy his time in the MCU.

Aha I knew that didn't sound like Hugo Weavings voice. I can't believe they couldn't get him to come back even just for some ADR. I guess maybe he would have had to do mocap too which made it a no no.

The Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War was my favorite story as a kid. It breaks my heart to not see Adam Warlock and the silver surfer in this but what they have created for the MCU is quite remarkable.
I was hoping for a Beta Ray Bill reference when they introduced stormbreaker.

I'd assume we'll see Adam Warlock in part two. He was teased in the post credit scene for GotG 2.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Ant-Man and the Wasp is supposed to take place before Infinity War.

Well, that's one wrong prediction.
Clearly i'm not an insider, lol.

 

[RDU Irish]

Does Strange see past his dusting? As such - knowing him and Spidey go kaput and Thanos gets the stone he bargains for Tony to live? Or did the Tony bargain tip the odds so he did not get dusted? I don't see how Strange could see that as the path to success if he can't see past his death (which he should not right?).

The instant I saw Panther go poof I knew these "deaths" weren't going to last. No way they blow up that cash cow. Then when Spidey goes I was just irritated that none of the "deaths" will matter in the end. Kind of pissed off at the end - not because they killed everyone off but because I knew they were going full comic book - nobody ever REALLY dies.

 

[wizards8507]

My kid looked at me when it was over and said, "That was the shortest movie we ever saw!"

He couldn't believe that we were in the theater for almost three hours.


It was really good considering how difficult it is to write and film that many characters.

I echo earlier comments that killing Panther, Spidey, and all the Guardians kind of ruins the "deaths" since we know they have films in the works.

Strange saw the one way to win and put that future in motion.



*prediction:

Someone (Thor) is going to wear the gauntlet and reverse the deaths sacrificing himself, Stark and probably Cap (all the big expiring contacts) in the process. Antman film will be them dealing with half the world's population turning to ash and Spiderman 2 will be him dealing with Stark's (MCU's Uncle Ben) death.

Cap is the one that will do it, not Thor.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Cap is the one that will do it, not Thor.

Yup. Waititi has mentioned that he'd like to do another Thor movie and Hemsworth was okay with it. They're not giving up Thor if they don't need to