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Wasn't sure where to put this, guess this is as good a place as any, SIAP:

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

I love it when pro illegal immigration folks talk about all the financial benefits we get from illegals. How they spend, and add spending power. I mean, if 2/3 are receiving welfare, it's really the gov spending. And if that's the case, the taxes that support welfare reduce spending of others, and the spending power. And that's after the gov takes their cut of the tax money to make gov big again...
 

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Good God do I get hard every time I see another European country get on board with a more conservative plan to deal with the invasion taking place over there. Just typing the words Hungary or Poland gives me a boner.
 

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Dallas mayor says Trump administration's proposed 'public charge' rules would harm city's immigrants, economy (Dallas Morning News)

Texas has the highest number of uninsured kids in America, report finds
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For the first time in a decade, the number of children without health insurance in the United States has risen — and Texas again has the largest share.

A Georgetown University Center for Children and Families report released Thursday found that more than one in five uninsured children in the U.S. live in Texas — about 835,000 as of 2017. The state saw an increase of about 83,000 uninsured children from 2016 to 2017.

Researchers are most vexed that the report marks the first time since the data was collected in 2008 that the nationwide number — as well as the rate — of uninsured children increased, after a decade of decline. The national rate increased from a historic low of 4.7 percent in 2016 to 5 percent in 2017. Texas’ rate of uninsured children in 2017 was at 10.7 percent, up slightly from the previous year and still more than double the national average.
 

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LOL @ "demands"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Migrant groups march to U.S. consulate and demand faster asylum process, a halt on deportations, and that Trump either let them into the country or pay them $50,000 each to go home <a href="https://t.co/pWtA98nLp5">https://t.co/pWtA98nLp5</a></p>— KTLA (@KTLA) <a href="https://twitter.com/KTLA/status/1072980560417501184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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LOL @ "demands"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Migrant groups march to U.S. consulate and demand faster asylum process, a halt on deportations, and that Trump either let them into the country or pay them $50,000 each to go home <a href="https://t.co/pWtA98nLp5">https://t.co/pWtA98nLp5</a></p>— KTLA (@KTLA) <a href="https://twitter.com/KTLA/status/1072980560417501184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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All the noble leftists should pony up the bill and help these people
 

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but border security is off the table because.................
 

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Poll: Texans oppose border wall and sanctuary cities, think immigrants help more than they hurt (Dallas Morning News)

While 72 percent of Texans surveyed said they were extremely or somewhat concerned about illegal immigration, 61 percent opposed a proposal by President Donald Trump to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. And 62 percent said they don’t want Trump to deport millions of unauthorized immigrants currently in the country.

The survey found that 62 percent of adults said immigration helps the U.S. more than it hurts, a softening on the issue from last year, when 54 percent answered that way.

The poll also found support for allowing immigrants in the country illegally to become citizens if there were strict conditions attached. On that issue, 90 percent of Texas adults said they either strongly or somewhat supported allowing these immigrants to become citizens after a long waiting period, payment of taxes and a penalty, passage of a criminal background check and learning English.


The Comprehensive Immigration Bill of 2013 passed in the Senate and blocked by the Speaker from a vote in the House would have provided funding for 40,000 Border Patrol agents. With the recent increases, we currently have 20,000 agents.

Two hundred thousand Texans are federal employees.
 
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Poll: Texans oppose border wall and sanctuary cities, think immigrants help more than they hurt (Dallas Morning News)






The Comprehensive Immigration Bill of 2013 passed in the Senate and blocked by the Speaker from a vote in the House would have provided funding for 40,000 Border Patrol agents. With the recent increases, we currently have 20,000 agents.

Two hundred thousand Texans are federal employees.

The poll is from April. I'd bet it would be different post caravan...

The poll also said there was an obvious split among parties and ages, and was based on 1000 calls. We know TX is a majority GOP state, so given %s they provided, the math tends to point out that perhaps more Dems were polled then Repubs.

It would be nice to see the raw data, and understand how and where the polling took place. This is a Dallas article with a tag of "Austin", which are both lib hotbeds. It would be nice to understand what area/zip codes were called.
 

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"Green Eggs and Ham" Ted on shutdowns.

Ted Cruz, mascot of the 2013 shutdown, says he has “consistently opposed shutdowns”

Will "No shutdown" Ted sign an appropriations bill without border wall funding to put it on the President's desk?

Vox.. lol...

Nobody likes a shutdown. Sometimes it's required. It's a symptom of the partisanship on both sides. If you're argument is that the Dems want to work things out and are flexible do-gooders, that's funny..... Just like fake transparency Pelosi and Schumer offering an olive branch.
 

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Vox.. lol...

Nobody likes a shutdown. Sometimes it's required. It's a symptom of the partisanship on both sides. If you're argument is that the Dems want to work things out and are flexible do-gooders, that's funny..... Just like fake transparency Pelosi and Schumer offering an olive branch.

I'm not sure why Dems are so anti-wall. Don would probably be happy to give them something they'd like in exchange for funding.

1. "It's inhumane! Build bridges, not walls!"
2. "LMAO you trumptards think that wall would stop anyone?!?!?!"

Can only be one of the two.
 

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I'm not sure why Dems are so anti-wall. Don would probably be happy to give them something they'd like in exchange for funding.

1. "It's inhumane! Build bridges, not walls!"
2. "LMAO you trumptards think that wall would stop anyone?!?!?!"

Can only be one of the two.

Why is the GOP so anti wall? That's a better question.
 

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I'm not sure why Dems are so anti-wall. Don would probably be happy to give them something they'd like in exchange for funding.

1. "It's inhumane! Build bridges, not walls!"
2. "LMAO you trumptards think that wall would stop anyone?!?!?!"

Can only be one of the two.

when you see the numbers crossing illegally, and when you see things like the caravan, not sure what the argument is against the wall. sure we need to amp up focus on visa overstays and other things too, but there is no doubt that a wall (not the crap walls we see pregnant moms climbing, or babies stuffed under) would stop a lot of illegal entry.

anyone who is anti wall, is simply pro illegal immigration. it's as simple as that. they can do mental gymnastics and talk about a lot of things, but at the heart of it, they are simply against stopping illegal immigration.
 

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when you see the numbers crossing illegally, and when you see things like the caravan, not sure what the argument is against the wall. sure we need to amp up focus on visa overstays and other things too, but there is no doubt that a wall (not the crap walls we see pregnant moms climbing, or babies stuffed under) would stop a lot of illegal entry.

anyone who is anti wall, is simply pro illegal immigration. it's as simple as that. they can do mental gymnastics and talk about a lot of things, but at the heart of it, they are simply against stopping illegal immigration.

I think you can be skeptical of the wall's effectiveness without being pro illegal immigration. But to be adamantly ANTI-wall....yeah, definitely going to be hard to say you aren't pro-illegal immigration. Schumer and the Dems would have been UNANIMOUS in support had President Obama or Clinton attempted this during their presidencies.
 

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I think you can be skeptical of the wall's effectiveness without being pro illegal immigration. But to be adamantly ANTI-wall....yeah, definitely going to be hard to say you aren't pro-illegal immigration. Schumer and the Dems would have been UNANIMOUS in support had President Obama or Clinton attempted this during their presidencies.

at worse, the wall creates jobs and slows illegal immigration, drugs, and a lot of other things. done right it can detect tunnels too.
IMO, it can be done effectively.

is visa overstay a bigger issue, absolutely, but nobody on the left wants to attack that issue either with Trump as president.

the hypocrisy is disgusting...as far as Schumer goes....

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Trump administration: Deal reached to force asylum seekers to wait in Mexico as cases are processed (Texas Tribune)

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The United States has been in negotiations with Mexico for weeks to reach such an accord, which had been referred to as “Remain in Mexico,” believing that illegal crossings will decline if Central Americans believe the asylum system will no longer offer them a way to avoid deportation.

Top officials from the government of Mexican president Andrés Manuel López Obrador have said they would accept such measures as part of a broader development and aid package aimed at creating jobs in Central America to reduce the need to emigrate.

U.S., Supporting Mexico’s Plan, Will Invest $5.8 Billion in Central America (NYT)

The United States, joining an effort by Mexico, will commit to investing billions in Central America in hopes of ending the poverty, violence and drug-trafficking that are driving thousands of people in the region to undertake the difficult trek to the United States, the State Department announced on Tuesday.

Mexico’s new president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, introduced what he called a “Marshall Plan” last week to address the root causes of Central American migration: a $30 billion initiative to invest in the region and welcome migrants into Mexico with visas, health care and employment.

On Tuesday, the Trump administration signaled its support for the plan, saying it was committing $5.8 billion in private and public investments in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Much of that amount, however, was previously committed or contingent on the identification of “commercially viable projects.”

Driver's licenses may be given out without ensuring Texas residency, audit says (Texas Tribune)

An audit of the Texas Department of Public Safety suggests the agency may have given out thousands of driver's licenses without properly ensuring recipients live in Texas, have Social Security numbers or passed their road tests.

The report released Wednesday by the Texas State Auditor’s Office said that the department currently lacks “sufficient controls” to make sure that applicants in fact meet the qualifications for a license or ID card.
 
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While the US debates caravans and wall, thousands of migrants are dumped in border cities (USA Today, Dec 28, 2018)

EL PASO — As the high-stakes immigration debates rage nationally over walls, U.S. border troops, caravans and a federal government shutdown, crowded buses roll into the downtown Greyhound station on San Antonio street.

That's where hundreds of migrant asylum-seekers were sent after federal detention centers hit full capacity as more and more people squeeze into ill-equipped border stations.

El Paso's Annunciation House, an immigrant shelter that coordinates local migrant assistance efforts, is spending about $150,000 a month to rent all the rooms at four local motels to house migrants.

The "migrant hospitality center" network has expanded to 15 sites in El Paso and five in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Shelters vary in capacity from 15 to 100 people.

Shelters recently have been taking in about 2,200 to 2,300 migrants a week. The goal is to expand the network to be able to accommodate 3,000 migrants per week, said Ruben Garcia, executive director of Annunciation House.
In El Paso,
As ICE releases hundreds of migrants en masse in El Paso, local shelter eyes more beds (Texas Tribune, Dec 27)
Immigration shelters in the El Paso area are trying to expand capacity as the federal government released hundreds of migrants this week with no place to go and without warning.

Churches, volunteers, hotels and the goodwill of the public at large.

That’s what it’s going to take – all of these entities working together – to prevent hundreds more asylum-seeking, undocumented immigrants from being released by the federal government onto the streets of this border city with no place to go other than a bus station parking lot.

The message came Thursday from Ruben Garcia, the director of El Paso’s Annunciation House, a prominent local shelter which has for years taken in migrants seeking refuge in the United States after they are released from federal custody. His nonprofit was left scrambling this week after Immigration and Customs Enforcement abruptly changed its procedures late Sunday, two days before Christmas.

Normally, ICE reaches out to Garcia and alerts him when a large group is going to be released so he can coordinate their travel to one of the Annunciation House’s hospitality centers.

In Phoenix,
ICE has dropped off 5,000 migrant family members at local churches in the past two months (AzCentral, Dec 27)
Federal immigration authorities have released about 2,500 Central American families at Hispanic churches in the Phoenix area over the past two months, totaling more than 5,000 people, according to one pastor.

The families had recently crossed the border illegally in southwestern Arizona, which has become one of the most popular entry points for a growing wave of migrant families arriving at the southern border seeking refuge in the United States.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials began releasing large groups of migrant families at local churches in mid-October before the large caravan of more than 5,000 Central Americans arrived in Tijuana in November.

Other border cities report similar releases by ICE of immigrants released and local shelters run by networks of Christian churches and non-profits at capacity. They are released by ICE in an "Alternatives to Detention" program that allows them to remain in the U.S. while they await their hearing in Immigration Court.

Immigrant Children
The two children from Central America who died recently while in custody of US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) have both been confirmed had the flu. CBP has reached out to U.S. pediatricians per the president of American Academy of Pediatrics for recommendations and any changes in policies.

Government shelters holding immigrant children are about 92% full, according to a Department of Health and Human Services official. As of Thursday, the number of unaccompanied children in 100 shelters across 17 states was about 14,700 per agency spokeswoman. Immigrants who arrive illegally do not qualify for free flu shots.

Immigration detention centers for undocumented migrant youths see detention times increases to six to ten months as new policies
include stricter vetting of adults who sponsor unaccompanied children as well as requiring the fingerprinting of everyone in the home and the sharing of that information with ICE.

The prospect of influenza in enclosed populations of unvaccinated minors in camps at some distance from access to health care and with limited abilty to isolate infected patients needs to be addressed by pediatricians and federal agencies. Without parents to consent to treatment complicating the issue, the federal government is solely responsible both legally and ethically for those minors' care and treatment.

The Flores Settlement: A Brief History and Next Steps

The Flores Settlement Agreement imposed several obligations on the immigration authorities, which fall into three broad categories:

- The government is required to release children from immigration detention without unnecessary delay in order of preference beginning with parents and including other adult relatives as well as licensed programs willing to accept custody.
- With respect to children for whom a suitable placement is not immediately available, the government is obligated to place children in the “least restrictive” setting appropriate to their age and any special needs.
- The government is required to implement standards relating to the care and treatment of children in immigration detention.

The changes the Trump administration proposes:
DHS / HHS NOTICE OF PUBLIC RULEMAKING RE THE FLORES SETTLEMENT
Top-lines and Section-by-Section Analysis
September 7, 2018
 
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A few articles from the leftists at Notre Dame, on Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration from the U.S. Catholic Bishops, and about the federal government taking a diocese on the border to court to build their wall.

A Transformative Journey: Notre Dame Experiences Life at the Border (University of Notre Dame)

Catholic Social Teaching on Immigration and the Movement of Peoples (U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops)

Diocese opposes federal efforts to build border fencing on its property (The Brownsville Herald)

Diocese in Texas prepares to protect its land (Vatican News)

I posted some links to articles in the Theology thread about Sister Norma Pimentel's work in a refuge on the border and Notre Dame awarding her the Laetare Medal, her commencement speech last May, and the recognition of her work by the Pope and others. (Notre Dame source)
 
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US ranchers near Mexico weigh in on border wall, shutdown talks
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ranchers-near-mexico-weigh-in-border-wall-shutdown-talks

NOGALES, Ariz. -- Ranchers on the border like Jim Chilton own thousands of acres of land – and they are increasingly concerned about the situation right in their backyard.

Their stories are being heard in Washington as a GOP House delegation made a visit to the Arizona-Mexico border this week. The officials met with Border Patrol agents and visited ranchers like Chilton, and his wife, Sue.


Jim and Sue Chilton have had deer cameras at their border ranch for five years. Sue Chilton said in the past five years, she has not seen women and children crossing the border —it’s been mostly men.

Our route through us is a drug and human smuggling route...as the cartel is squeezed at the points of entry, they will send more and more of their traffic between the points of entry because that is currently the weak link…no apprehension, no surveillance,” Sue said.

Some who live along the border say this is why a wall is needed – they see first-hand the issue paralyzing Washington right now.

“What's the cost of not securing the border? Billions. Think of the drugs coming into this country, the poison,” Chilton said

Republican members of Congress toured the border this week and met with Border Patrol agents. They were shown parts of the border that had barbed wire or just a rope holding fences together. Suddenly, the wall ends and it's just vast, open land.

Border agent Art Del Cueto said 40 percent of the illegal drugs smuggled into the U.S. came through this part of the border.

“It’s not a problem that affects just the border,” Del Cueto said. “It's not a problem that affects just the congressional leaders within border states because the drugs that are coming through here are going into the United States further into the country. And it’s a big deal.”

He said smugglers and drug dealers simply go around barriers.

Del Cueto said the term border wall has become an explosive issue. But to him, it’s exactly what’s needed.

“I think the issue that a lot of people have is they hear the word wall and they stay focused on brick and mortar—we need something because I can tell you right now this ain't cutting it,” Del Cueto said. “So, this is basically what you have dividing us here.”

U.S. Customs agent Patricia Cramer, who also serves as president of the Arizona chapter of the port of entry employee union, said there are “so many” migrants coming in—that the agency doesn’t have the space and staffing to process them all, which leads to people violating and abusing the immigration system.

“There has to be a stop to it,” Cramer said. “I hope that Congress works with the president.”
 

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'We Need That Wall': Texas Rancher Willing to Give Up Some of His Land for Border Barrier
https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01...all-stop-illegal-immigration-drug-trafficking

Seventh-generation Texas rancher Ruperto Escobar said he's willing to give up part of his land for President Trump's long-promised border wall.

Escobar appeared on Fox & Friends Wednesday morning as a partial government shutdown over border security funding stretched into a 33rd day.

Escobar said he sees extensive drug trafficking near his ranch in Roma, Texas, on the banks of the Rio Grande.

"I've lived there 75 years and I've seen everything," he said, explaining that it's common to see drug traffickers speeding back to the Mexican side of the border with law enforcement in pursuit.

He said the flow of illegal immigrants crossing near his ranch has slowed over the years, but the Border Patrol still made more than 160,000 apprehensions in the Rio Grande Valley in 2018.

Escobar has said he would allow the government to use some of his land to construct a border barrier to help stop the flow of drugs and illegal aliens.

He had a strong response to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif) claim that a border wall would be "immoral."

"M'am, I don't know where you get your facts, but what we have endured in my lifetime, which is about 75 years now -- of seeing the number of illegals coming across here, trampling over our fences, the drug dealers tearing down our gates -- that is immoral," Escobar said.

"And we're tired of it. We need that wall."
 

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If McConnell would let it come to a vote, a version of 2013's Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 would pass both Houses.

One part of it was:
Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:
(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural,high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

Boehner blocked it from coming to a vote in the House or it would have been law six years ago and we would have fencing, surveillance, etc.

The Secure Fence Act of 2006 was passed overwhelmingly with bipartisan support, but costs limited it to seven hundred miles.

The shutdown is estimated to have cost $6 billion. We are back to where we were before the shutdown, where Trump vetoed the Omnibus Bill which contained $1.6 billion for border security - except he doesn't have that money yet. Negotiations could have continued then for compromise legislation, but in a less poisoned atmosphere.

What a waste of taxpayer money.
 

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The High Cost and Diminishing Returns of a Border Wall

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The wall is expensive.
The Government Accountability Office found that single-layer pedestrian fencing could cost approximately $6.5 million per mile. In addition, millions would have to be spent on roads and maintenance.

The easiest parts of the border fence have been built, according to Marc Rosenblum, formerly of the Migration Policy Institute and the current DHS Deputy Secretary of the Office of Immigration Statistics. The estimated cost of the remaining border wall segments are between $15 and $25 billion, with each mile of fencing costing $16 million.

According to the Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 DHS budget, $274 million was spent on border fence maintenance. Based on that expense, one can extrapolate that if fencing is built on the final two-thirds of the Southern border, the maintenance costs will triple to more than $750 million annually.

In FY 2006, appropriations for building and maintaining border infrastructure were $298 million, and then jumped to $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to pay for the fencing mandated in the Secure Fence Act. FY 2016 appropriations were $447 million.

The federal border agencies have not asked for a wall.
Outgoing Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Gil Kerlikowske said in January 2017, “I think that anyone who’s been familiar with the southwest border and the terrain ... kind of recognizes that building a wall along the entire southwest border is probably not going to work,” adding that he does not “think it is feasible” or the “smartest way to use taxpayer money on infrastructure.”

The head of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing 16,000 Border Patrol agents which endorsed President Trump during his campaign, said, “We do not need a wall along the entire 2,000 miles of border.” He went on to say, “If I were to quantify an actual number, I would say that we need about 30 percent. Thirty percent of our border has to have an actual fence [or] wall.” The existing 650 miles make up more than 30 percent of the 2,000 mile border.
According to an internal U.S. government study obtained by Reuters in April 2016, CBP believes that more technology is needed along the border to create a “virtual wall.” The agency requested better radios and more aerial drones, but only 23 more miles of fences.
 
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Texas says it found 95,000 non-citizens on voter rolls; 58,000 have voted
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Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced Friday that the state has discovered 95,000 non-citizens on the voter rolls going back to 1996, 58,000 of whom have voted in at least one Texas election -- an announcement likely to raise fresh concerns about the prospect of voter fraud.

Texas has some of the toughest voter ID laws in the nation and has been one of the main battlegrounds in the Republican-led fight against alleged voter fraud. The office, in a statement, said that 33 people were prosecuted for voter fraud last year, and 97 were prosecuted between 2005-17. There are 16 million people in Texas registered to vote.

“Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice,” Paxton said in a statement.

The New York Times reported that the findings were a result of of an 11-month investigation into records at the Texas Department of Public Safety. Gov. Greg Abbott praised the findings and hinted at future legislation to crack down on voter fraud.

"I support prosecution where appropriate. The State will work on legislation to safeguard against these illegal practices," Abbott tweeted.

The revelation is likely to have national consequences and stir debate and the role of voter fraud. President Trump created a commission in 2017 to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the 2016 election. But it was eventually dismantled by Trump after the group faced lawsuits, opposition from states and in-fighting among its members.

Trump said at the time that Democrats refused to hand over data “because they know that many people are voting illegally.” Democrats have dismissed claims of voter fraud and accused Republicans of trying to disenfranchise minority voters with tight voter ID laws.

Dallas state Rep. Rafael Anchia told The Associated Press that "because we have consistently seen Texas politicians conjure the specter of voter fraud as pretext to suppress legitimate votes, we are naturally skeptical."

Paxton’s office noted that there have been a number of convictions of voter fraud in the state in recent years, including a charge against a non-citizen this month for illegal voting in Navarro County.
 
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