College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

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With quality of loss meaning nothing it seams, Clemson losing may give us a shot too.
I've been beating that drum for months. A quality loss isn't nearly as important as the fact that Clemson is holding one of four playoff spots that we're trying to get.

Also, if you dudes take off your homer glasses for a second and use your football eyes, Oklahoma is a better football team than us and Sparty has a better win than anything we've done this year.
 

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I've been beating that drum for months. A quality loss isn't nearly as important as the fact that Clemson is holding one of four playoff spots that we're trying to get.

Also, if you dudes take off your homer glasses for a second and use your football eyes, Oklahoma is a better football team than us and Sparty has a better win than anything we've done this year.

I'd say Oklahoma has looked like a better team the last couple of weeks. I'd like our chances against them in a bowl or playoff game where we have some rest before the game. Really, there are a bunch of teams that are fairly equal and could knock each other off depending on the week. All I really care about is beating Stanford. That ensures us of a great season regardless of where we finish in the final playoff poll.
 

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I've been beating that drum for months. A quality loss isn't nearly as important as the fact that Clemson is holding one of four playoff spots that we're trying to get.

Also, if you dudes take off your homer glasses for a second and use your football eyes, Oklahoma is a better football team than us and Sparty has a better win than anything we've done this year.

Says the man that blindly follows the Pats. lol
 

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If Oklahoma wins this week and we win then we should be at least 4 next week regardless if MSU or Iowa win. We need for Oklahoma to lose this week and for MSU or Iowa to lose this week.
 

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I've been beating that drum for months. A quality loss isn't nearly as important as the fact that Clemson is holding one of four playoff spots that we're trying to get.

Also, if you dudes take off your homer glasses for a second and use your football eyes, Oklahoma is a better football team than us and Sparty has a better win than anything we've done this year.
MSU doesn't pass the eye test for me. That's why their ranking bugs me.
 

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We are in if Oklahoma state wins and we beat Stanford

Agreed! But I don't believe both (if either) will happen. Too many injuries for ND to overcome on the road against a tough opponent, and I don't think the Pokes are really THAT good. As bad as both OU and OSU defenses are, I wouldn't be surprised to see the losing team exceed 40 pts. in that game.

Regarding the CFB poll overall, I don't understand the love for Bama @ #2. The ONLY team that they beat in the current top 25 is #21 Miss St. Their loss is to #18 Ole Miss AT HOME. I have no problem with them being in the 4 or 5 spot, but being ranked #2?!? Really? They are still living on their early "signature win" over LSU, who is not even in the top 25 anymore.

Another one is why is tO$U in the #8 spot? Their signature win currently is against 7-4 Penn St. at home. The ONLY other B1G team with a winning record that they played is MSU, who took their ass down at "The Shoe". All other B1G teams they have played are below .500 for the year! Sorry, I just don't get it because I thought that SOS was suppose to be a big part of the ranking!? They are living on last year's NC and should NOT even be ranked in the top 10 at this juncture. There's definitely some biased going on, IMO.
 

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Bama isnt losing to Auburn. Auburn is a dumpster fire and probably should have fired their coach all we heard pre kick off is how good they will be and have a heisman trophy winner in their Qb that completely shit the bed.

Michigan State isn't losing to Penn state talk about another dumpster fire. James Franklin has turn a team O'Brien had that was improving and a made it a laughing stock.

Nebraska at Iowa does have a chance to be a very good game though.
 

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I still don't think this is over for a 11-1 ND team. I compared ND's schedule to OU's game by game:

Opponent
Opponents Record at Time of the game
Opponents Overall Record
Rank (if applicable)

ND's
Texas 0 - 0
4 - 6
UVA 0 - 1
4 - 7
GT 2 - 0
3 - 8
UMass 0 - 2
2 - 9
Clemson 3 - 0
11 - 0 #1
Navy 4 - 0
9 - 1 #15
USC 3 - 2
7 - 4
Temple 7 - 0
9 - 2 #25
Pitt 6 - 2
8 - 3
Wake 3 - 6
3 - 8
BC 3 - 7
3 - 8
Stanford 9 - 2
?? #11


OU's
Akron 0 - 0
6 - 5
Tenn 1 - 0
7 - 4
Tulsa 2 - 0
5 - 6
West VA 3 - 0
6 - 4
Texas 1 - 4
4 - 6
Kansas St 3 - 2
4 - 6
Texas Tech 5 - 2
6 - 5
Kansas 0 - 7
0 - 11
Iowa St 3 - 5
3 - 8
Baylor 8 - 0
9 - 1 #7
TCU 9 - 1
9 - 2 #19
OkSU 10 -1
? #11

ND's combined opponents record at the time they played 40 - 22
OU's combined opponents record at the time they played 45 -22

ND's combined opponents record 72 - 58
OU's combined opponents record 69 - 59

Common Opponent (TX - we know what happened)
Confrerence Champion (OU has a shot if they win)
Conference Championship Game (NA)

I'm not saying ND can rejump OU if both win. But an objective view of who they played is VERY even. OU gets points for playing better down the stretch against better competition. But ND's 5 game stretch of Clemson, Navy, USC, Temple, and Pitt is better than any stretch that OU has played.

(I tried to format this....but it didn't format properly)
 
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So Mike Tranghese was sick and couldn't travel and only 11 members voted. Could that explain some of the huge swings? Could it swing back the other way next week with a full committee voting if ND looks more impressive beating Stanford than OU looks against OSU? Gonna be a lot of drama either way! Just win and let it sort itself out.
 

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Been saying it since day one last year: The committee is totally subjective, totally biased, and treating this whole week-by-week ranking as a "what have you done for me lately" scenario rather than "what have you done all year." The fact that no one knows who will be ranked where each week just backs up that they're winging it w/o any real consistent criteria. After a year and a half of rankings, you'd think someone would have started to see a trend. Nope. Every week it's up in the air who's in and who's out. And that's complete bullshit.
 

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Always look in the bright side of life: this helps ND snag that #4 spot after the Stanford game and avoid Alabama in the semis.

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This is where I'm at. The only thing we can control is how we play against Stanford. If ND can put up a complete game on both sides of the ball they can impress the committee enough to jump back into the top four. And avoiding Bama in round one would be ideal.
 

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Putting Oklahoma at 3 after barely beating a TCU team missing Boykin and Doctson is crazy. If the Playoff committee had their head on straight the top six should have been.
1) Clemson
2) Alabama
3) Iowa
4) Michigan State
5) Notre Dame
6) Oklahoma

MSU or Iowa will be knocked out through the process. By putting OU at 3, That gives the committee every reason to have Oklahoma State leap frog Notre Dame if they beat OU, even with a win at Stanford.
 
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Been saying it since day one last year: The committee is totally subjective, totally biased, and treating this whole week-by-week ranking as a "what have you done for me lately" scenario rather than "what have you done all year." The fact that no one knows who will be ranked where each week just backs up that they're winging it w/o any real consistent criteria. After a year and a half of rankings, you'd think someone would have started to see a trend. Nope. Every week it's up in the air who's in and who's out. And that's complete bullshit.

dont agree there, they have been bagging on the Big12 for their poor early season OOC slate
 

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dont agree there, they have been bagging on the Big12 for their poor early season OOC slate
It's also important not to paint with too broad a brush. Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma State have embarrassing OOC schedules. Oklahoma's is damn respectable, at least on par with our slate of UMass, Temple, and Navy (in most years when Temple and Navy aren't having all-time great seasons).
 

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Oklahomas TCU when their QB got hurt.. So I am glad the PC took that into consideration for the close game... It sucks for ND, But They looked horrible against BC.. turned the ball over 5 times... We didn't look like a top 4 team and the PC agreed... If ND beats Stanford 31-10.. then I would like to see where they place us next week.. Go Ok St and Penn St
 

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We had our chance and the CFP committee has been pretty consistent. ND has failed the eye test for the last MONTH and was getting mad respect for losing to Clemson. That "best loss" feather is not getting us any more respect, because we did not absolutely DOMINATE shitty teams like Wake and BC, which a 1-loss ND would NEED to do.

Dude, you need to shut the fuck up with that. All you're doing is spreading the same BS narrative that ESPN is.

In our last 4 games...
-Road win over RANKED Temple. Relative to everyone else who has played Temple, we did better than all but one team. If ND is going to be punished for a close win on the road over a ranked team, then why does Oklahoma get CREDIT for a 1 point win over a similarly ranked TCU team missing both of their best players? A TCU team that almost lost to Kansas the previous week?
-Road win over 8 win Pittsburgh. ND beat them worse than anyone. Iowa at home needed a 58 yard field goal with time expiring to beat the same team. So we clearly pass the eye test here when we beat a good team worse than any other team has.
-Wake Forest was beaten by 21 points. We beat Wake Forest by more than Clemson did this past week, and by more points than anyone but UNC.
-Against BC we played bad.

So on "eye test" on three out of our last four games we outperformed what 21 out of 23 other teams did against the same competition... including multiple teams currently ranked ahead of us.

If you want to say we looked terrible against BC... fine. But saying we've "failed the eye test" for a month is not true, and it's really stupid + annoying. Stop.
 

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Serious question, Lax. Who do you pick on a neutral field between TCU and Temple? I think TCU wins by 40.
 

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Serious question, Lax. Who do you pick on a neutral field between TCU and Temple? I think TCU wins by 40.

Right now? Temple. Did you watch the TCU / Kansas game?!? They are not a good team currently.

EDIT: Even with Boykin, TCU has had two somewhat impressive games this year: Texas and WVU. That's it. They have looked mediocre in every other real game. I don't give any credit to blowing out Stephen Austin or SMU.
 
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Right now? Temple. Did you watch the TCU / Kansas game?!? They are not a good team currently.

EDIT: Even with Boykin, TCU has had two somewhat impressive games this year: Texas and WVU. That's it. They have looked mediocre in every other real game. I don't give any credit to blowing out Stephen Austin or SMU.

TCU will be out of the top 25 this week (how can a team lose three in a row and stay in). I can't believe they dropped 1 spot after a loss. But when Baylor annihilates them, they will be gone. And that has implications on both OkSU and OU's record vs. the top 25. Hopefully, Pitt replaces them.
 
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I've been beating that drum for months. A quality loss isn't nearly as important as the fact that Clemson is holding one of four playoff spots that we're trying to get.

Also, if you dudes take off your homer glasses for a second and use your football eyes, Oklahoma is a better football team than us and Sparty has a better win than anything we've done this year.

Brady Quinn disagrees.

Brady Quinn interview 11-24-15 - Notre Dame Insider: Audio

Look at guys. Nothing has changed since Monday except the opinions of 12 people.

I am kind of glad this happened. Remember this is an organization to whom crowd popularity means everything. Without common popular support, this committee would lose all authority to select the four finalists.

So it does make sense that you see this fluctuation. With as volatile as the college game is there are at least five games this weekend that could re-order the top four teams. Let alone the different combinations of those outcomes. Let alone 'Championship Weekend.'

If OU looses, ND is in because either MSU or Iowa will also have to lose. And they both could lose! Does anyone think the B1GOT will get two teams in with no undefeated teams left? Let alone if they have a two loss champion, who may not make it over ND if the Irish beat Stanford, anyway?

Likelihood of B1GOT sending team(s) to Playoffs :

Iowa
  • 13-0? Yes!
  • Will 12-1 make it? As Champ with loss against Nebraska? Probably, depending on how close the Nebraska loss was, and how dominant the championship game performance.
  • As runner up with loss in championship? Probably not. But the champ will go!
  • Iowa 11-2 make it? No.
MSU
  • 12-1 As Champ with or without resounding victories. Yes.
  • 10-2? No.
OSU
  • 12-1 Probably, (as conference champ). but that would require wins over Michigan and Iowa, and MSU needs to lose to PSU!
  • 11-1 Non-champ? No.
  • 10-2? No.
  • UM
UM
  • 11-2? As conference champ? No. especially if there are multiple one loss teams that didn't lose to Utah.
  • As anything less than conference champs, (9-3 or 9-4)? You've got to be kidding!

Dude, you need to shut the fuck up with that. All you're doing is spreading the same BS narrative that ESPN is.

In our last 4 games...
-Road win over RANKED Temple. Relative to everyone else who has played Temple, we did better than all but one team. If ND is going to be punished for a close win on the road over a ranked team, then why does Oklahoma get CREDIT for a 1 point win over a similarly ranked TCU team missing both of their best players? A TCU team that almost lost to Kansas the previous week?
-Road win over 8 win Pittsburgh. ND beat them worse than anyone. Iowa at home needed a 58 yard field goal with time expiring to beat the same team. So we clearly pass the eye test here when we beat a good team worse than any other team has.
-Wake Forest was beaten by 21 points. We beat Wake Forest by more than Clemson did this past week, and by more points than anyone but UNC.
-Against BC we played bad.

So on "eye test" on three out of our last four games we outperformed what 21 out of 23 other teams did against the same competition... including multiple teams currently ranked ahead of us.

If you want to say we looked terrible against BC... fine. But saying we've "failed the eye test" for a month is not true, and it's really stupid + annoying. Stop.

I really like your post, LAX!

In fact you are illuminating the reason I think so much of what the committee does with the week to week's is gamesmanship to maintain their popular appeal, (and avoid the NCAA adopting the eight team scenario, or any other changes that would diminish their status.)

Putting both Iowa and MSU ahead of us is superfluous, one will lose and be eliminated in any case scenario.

With a range of outcomes for the OU-OSU game, as well as the ND-Stanford game, the committee can do what ever they want with the order of OU and ND.

Scenarios exist where all three teams ahead of us could fall once, and in that case only an argument for a one loss B1GOT champion (or less) could be made to be put ahead of us. Unless OU wipes the field with OSU [which isn't happening] and Iowa remains defeated, two teams will fall. Question is, can ND help themselves this weekend and rise?

Postscript :

This.

The final standings will be

1. ACC Champ
2. SEC Champ
3. B1G Champ
4. Big 12 (altho without a championship game) Champ

5. ND left standing with our cock in our hand.

I think there is only one way left we get in. Beat Stanford, and UofM wins the B1G Championship.

Exactly whose cock is in whose hand?
 
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No. But probably 14-21

There is absolutely nothing of merit that would suggest TCU would beat Temple by 14-21 points. TCU is a overrated paper tiger that got credit for last year's performance and for blowing out shitty teams.
 

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Serious question, Lax. Who do you pick on a neutral field between TCU and Temple? I think TCU wins by 40.

With or without Doctson and Boykin?

Without, I'll take Temple to win by at least a TD. With, I'd make TCU a slight favorite.

TCU has almost lost to:
-Texas Tech... deflected pass miracle on 4th down and goal.
-Kansas... fucking Kansas.
-Kansas State... needed a very late rally, gave up 45 points to a very bad offense.
-Minnesota... slog of a game.

And they got blown out by an Oklahoma State team that isn't great, and would've been blown out by healthy Oklahoma.

So I don't really know where people get the idea that TCU is good, besides last year where they kicked ass.
 

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There is absolutely nothing of merit that would suggest TCU would beat Temple by 14-21 points. TCU is a overrated paper tiger that got credit for last year's performance and for blowing out shitty teams.
Lmao I love that argument. TCU sucks because they blow out shitty teams. What are we, when we can't even do that?
 
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