Immigration

[irishff1014]

The eating cats thing is made up. Not sure what the issue is. The fact we all know it is made up and Trump and Vance are still pushing it is dangerous. Vance just admitted he knows he is pushing false information. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care if y’all can’t get past it.

No it’s not made up. We have been eating cats for years. #10 broccoli and white rice 10 minute hahaha

 

[Irish#1]

No it’s not made up. We have been eating cats for years. #10 broccoli and white rice 10 minute hahaha

I’ll have to try the #10. My favorite has always been the #9 (puppy).

 

[Bishop2b5]

No it’s not made up. We have been eating cats for years. #10 broccoli and white rice 10 minute hahaha

I’ll have to try the #10. My favorite has always been the #9 (puppy).

Reminds me of the old joke about a young Chinese couple on their wedding night. The groom asks his bride if there's anything in particular she wants to do, and she tells him she's always wanted to try 69. He replies, "You've never had beef with broccoli before?"

Badump-dump pssshhh! Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

 

[Irish#1]

Reminds me of the old joke about a young Chinese couple on their wedding night. The groom asks his bride if there's anything in particular she wants to do, and she tells him she's always wanted to try 69. He replies, "You've never had beef with broccoli before?"

Badump-dump pssshhh! Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

Show yourself the door please.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yes it does. You’re framing it as a single party issue with democrats. As RDU said your own party doesn’t give a shit about the issue as anything more than an empty talking point.

Via the TV or drip fed through social media makes no difference.

I point out both parties are disingenuous and you yell at Republicans. Keep up the good work.

 

[RDU Irish]

I’m not hand waving but I’ll have the conversation if you are serious about it.

IMO The point is that we need immigrants to do jobs no one else will. They aren’t taking black jobs. They aren’t taking white jobs. They primarily take jobs no one else wants to do and they keep this country moving. They also pay billions in taxes via sales tax and federal wage taxes. H1B1 visas aren’t picking fruit or building track homes and asylum is a real legal issue that could be reformed. I’m ok with that but this is a country built on the refuse of the world landing here and allowing them to choose their own path. It’s kind of our thing you know. Along with nativists being butt hurt about it.

I’m all form the border being secure and immigrants coming through legal means. The point is the borders of this country is too big to be fully secure. It just is. Deal with it. Whatever you think would be big enough is not. And to do it would cost more than the defense budget to build and maintain and staff. I’ll have a conversation on this point alone as long as you want…. There is nothing we could build, staff and maintain, that would completely stop crossings that would not cost trillions and become yet another beaurocratic quagmire you conservatives would complain incessantly about. I care even less. About your personal outrage over one specific crime out of the hundreds of thousands of crimes committed by natural born citizens daily.

The point is that a small number will commit crimes relative to the population just like any other society and their crime rates are lower than natural born citizens.

The point is that this Haitian immigrant (which are legal immigrants) issue is a made up bullshit story started by right wing propagandists and trolls to gin up red meat for the MAGA base to stoke hate and fear. And it has done it’s job resulting in threats to the city hall and closing of schools in he area along with harassment of the Haitian people themselves. So predictable and you know that nothing is gonna get done because there isn’t anything to do with something doesn’t exist. Trump and Vance continuing to push this bullshit gonna get someone hurt. It’s GOP election strategy. Racist Demagoguery. Ok we get it. You are scared of other races. We know.

And yet again the right gets consumed with hating on people that aren’t white males in an election year. That’s why they do it. Because Brawndo has what you crave. It’s tiresome and predictable. No one cares you are butt hurt yet again by made up bullshit. Illegal immigration is like item number 10 on my list things I care about.

Illegal immigrantion neds to be managed better. For sure but it can’t and will never be completely stopped and the fact is we need immigrants in this country. We need them. You aren’t really interested in having a conversation if you say otherwise. This country would fall apart if mass deportations and civil roundups were conducted as Trump says he will do. Talk about some Polish Ghetyo level shit happening there going door to door trying to identify who is legal and who isn’t and natural born anchor babies ( legal US citizens) versus their border crossing parents ( illegal), loss of tax revenue and consumers, loss of food production, meat packing, construction, garbage collection, manual labor, etc. Good lord. There is no way this happens without violence and rioting leading to massive upheaval in our countries day to day stability.

If you don’t want any handwaving and let’s have a discussion. It’s easy to stand there and complain. What do you propose? Paint me a picture of your ideal border protection. What does it look like? Who manages it? Who builds it. Who staffs it. How much of our contiguous borders do we fully secure versus partially secure? Do we fully secure our coastlines? Is it a thick 2000 mile long concrete megalith that can’t be drilled through, tunneled under, climbed over? Who pays for it and with what money? Who actually constructs it (lmao). Do we use federal or state Taxes? What taxes would you approve to do so? What about Canada? Do we have the same thing? Something less? Why? What about drug crossings at ports of entry ? 90% of all fentanyl comes through legal border crossings. Even with all the current top technology and infrastructure present at border crossings 90% of all fentanyl crossing the border still makes it through these fortifications. Let’s go. I’ll have this discussion if you want. I’ll even drill down on the economic impacts related to fully closing the borders and even environmental impacts lol. I’ll wait for your response to these questions.

Rather than focus on the bolded points that could be used to build a broad coalition for immigration reform - the other 90% of your rant calls names and makes reasonable debate impossible. Exactly what your overlords want - don't find common ground with the evil enemy.

- End birthright citizenship
- Develop some permanent visa program for people already here that requires documentation within a reasonable window (6 - 12 months but have to already have been here) - revocation and deportation if you have been or become a criminal
- Deport criminals and agitators - you are a guest in this country and should act like it.
- Hard stop on any new illegal immigrants with STRICT deportation of all illegals after completion to be blacklisted from future legal immigration
- Massive increase in visas and naturalization programs largely facilitated through embassies. Ports of entry should only be verifying IDs or you are turned away.

Neither side is serious about fixing it. Stop fueling the fight by assuming the absolute worst about everyone who doesn't love being humped by a donkey like you (metaphor on democrat politicians - not an assumption on you taste in extracurricular activities).

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Rather than focus on the bolded points that could be used to build a broad coalition for immigration reform - the other 90% of your rant calls names and makes reasonable debate impossible. Exactly what your overlords want - don't find common ground with the evil enemy.

Nope. Not a rant. I'd love to find common ground. Common ground that doesn't include massive deportations and constructing huge megaliths and isolationism. That is exactly what the GOP wants. "BUILD THE WALL"

MSN

- End birthright citizenship

You are talking about repealing the 14th Amendment? Outside of foreign diplomats, being born in the US makes you a citizen.

Most relevant to Trump’s most recent pronouncements, the sentence resoundingly affirms that constitutional birthright citizenship does not depend on the immigration status of one’s biological parents. Anyone born in America under the American flag is a citizen, even if his parents are not citizens and indeed even if his parents are not here legally. In the 1860s, surely all American-born children of slaves were meant to be covered by the Amendment’s citizenship clause, so as to completely repudiate the infamous Dred Scott case. Yet Reconstruction Republicans in Congress doubtless were aware that some antebellum slaves had been smuggled into America illegally, in violation of various 19th century congressional laws prohibiting transatlantic slave importation. This stubborn fact about the children of certain “illegal aliens” in the 1860s strongly suggests that American-born children of “illegal aliens” today are likewise birthright American citizens, regardless of the deficient immigration status of their parents.

In multiple cases decided in the late 19th and the late 20th century, the Supreme Court has recognized only three narrow exceptions to birthright citizenship: diplomatic children, tribal Indians and invading armies. The language and logic of these cases clearly suggest that children of “illegal aliens” are indeed birthright citizens; and the broad legislative backdrop of the Amendment and its intended application to all American-born slave children provide compelling support for this conclusion What the Constitution Really Says About Birthright Citizenship

- Develop some permanent visa program for people already here that requires documentation within a reasonable window (6 - 12 months but have to already have been here)

We have that already. They are called Green Cards. The problem would be that undocumented people walking into a Federal place asking for green card could potentially be picked up and deported as they are admitting they are here illegally. Id assume most illegals wouldnt want to take that chance without some sort of assurances. The asylum process also works here as well. I have no problems to reforming the post asylum claim procedures as long as they are humane and efficient.

- revocation and deportation if you have been or become a criminal
- Deport criminals and agitators - you are a guest in this country and should act like it.

What crimes would constitute a deporation event? Speeding tickets? Theft? Physical altercations with your neighbors? Violent crimes? What if the parents of a child born in the country who has citizenship commit a "crime". Do you break up the family? Deport the adults away and leave the kids by themselves. I know your answer (too bad for the kids because their parents are criminals they go too) but the kids would have 14th amendment claims of citizenship protection. I dont think most people on your side consider illegals guests lol. As stated above by other posters just their presence in this country makes them "criminals" except that the asylum process allows them to remain in the country so they really havent committed a crime.

- Hard stop on any new illegal immigrants with STRICT deportation of all illegals after completion to be blacklisted from future legal immigration
- Massive increase in visas and naturalization programs largely facilitated through embassies. Ports of entry should only be verifying IDs or you are turned away.

How do you propose to stop ALL illegal immigrants from crossing the border? If its a physical barrier what does it look like? Who builds it? Who pays for it? Is it a bunch of unmanned aerial drones? Are they to be apprehended or is there a no man's land where they automatically forfeit their life while crossing? Do you kill or apprehend border crossers before or after they cross? Do we have a permanent 24/365 manned presence along the border with constant surveillance? Its easy to complain about and nearly impossible to actually do with borders our size.

Ports of entry deal with all kinds of vital processes and include traffic, shipping, economy, food production, travel, and daily commuters with cross-border jobs. If you ramp up a massive increase in visas and naturalization programs, who pays for that? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to fund this beauocracy? Checking IDs is a small part of their daily duties regulating daily border crossings.

Neither side is serious about fixing it. Stop fueling the fight by assuming the absolute worst about everyone who doesn't love being humped by a donkey like you (metaphor on democrat politicians - not an assumption on you taste in extracurricular activities).

Makes you think why if either side isnt interested in fixing why does one side throw red meat to its base during election cycles every single time? Why did Lankford state unequivocally that Trump ordered the GOP to tank his bipartisan bill that had bipartisan support. I know you say you didnt like it but it was something and it was bipartisan. Then Trump ordered it to be tanked because he wanted to use immigration as a hit point on Dems and didnt want to give them a victory and take away his last piece of red meat to throw to his rabid dogs.

I dont assume the worst. Im going off of what they present to me daily and I put it back at them. Its funny that you say that and then make the comment about fucking donkeys even though you were so certain this Springfield issue was gonna get worse when in reality it was a made up bullshit designed to stoke your Great White Replacement theory fears. SMH.

 

[drayer54]

Nope. Not a rant. I'd love to find common ground. Common ground that doesn't include massive deportations and constructing huge megaliths and isolationism. That is exactly what the GOP wants. "BUILD THE WALL"

MSN

You are talking about repealing the 14th Amendment? Outside of foreign diplomats, being born in the US makes you a citizen.



We have that already. They are called Green Cards. The problem would be that undocumented people walking into a Federal place asking for green card could potentially be picked up and deported as they are admitting they are here illegally. Id assume most illegals wouldnt want to take that chance without some sort of assurances. The asylum process also works here as well. I have no problems to reforming the post asylum claim procedures as long as they are humane and efficient.

What crimes would constitute a deporation event? Speeding tickets? Theft? Physical altercations with your neighbors? Violent crimes? What if the parents of a child born in the country who has citizenship commit a "crime". Do you break up the family? Deport the adults away and leave the kids by themselves. I know your answer (too bad for the kids because their parents are criminals they go too) but the kids would have 14th amendment claims of citizenship protection. I dont think most people on your side consider illegals guests lol. As stated above by other posters just their presence in this country makes them "criminals" except that the asylum process allows them to remain in the country so they really havent committed a crime.


How do you propose to stop ALL illegal immigrants from crossing the border? If its a physical barrier what does it look like? Who builds it? Who pays for it? Is it a bunch of unmanned aerial drones? Are they to be apprehended or is there a no man's land where they automatically forfeit their life while crossing? Do you kill or apprehend border crossers before or after they cross? Do we have a permanent 24/365 manned presence along the border with constant surveillance? Its easy to complain about and nearly impossible to actually do with borders our size.

Ports of entry deal with all kinds of vital processes and include traffic, shipping, economy, food production, travel, and daily commuters with cross-border jobs. If you ramp up a massive increase in visas and naturalization programs, who pays for that? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to fund this beauocracy? Checking IDs is a small part of their daily duties regulating daily border crossings.

Makes you think why if either side isnt interested in fixing why does one side throw red meat to its base during election cycles every single time? Why did Lankford state unequivocally that Trump ordered the GOP to tank his bipartisan bill that had bipartisan support. I know you say you didnt like it but it was something and it was bipartisan. Then Trump ordered it to be tanked because he wanted to use immigration as a hit point on Dems and didnt want to give them a victory and take away his last piece of red meat to throw to his rabid dogs.

I dont assume the worst. Im going off of what they present to me daily and I put it back at them. Its funny that you say that and then make the comment about fucking donkeys even though you were so certain this Springfield issue was gonna get worse when in reality it was a made up bullshit designed to stoke your Great White Replacement theory fears. SMH.

Party of 93 executive orders designed to open the border and send millions of migrants across the country and overwhelm towns and cities can’t understand how to not open the border.

I love how we’re pretending that sending 20k+ Haitians to Springfield isn’t a problem and hasn’t had any consequences. I just wish Democrats would be honest and acknowledge they did this on purpose.

 

[Irish#1]

Nope. Not a rant. I'd love to find common ground. Common ground that doesn't include massive deportations and constructing huge megaliths and isolationism. That is exactly what the GOP wants. "BUILD THE WALL"

MSN

You are talking about repealing the 14th Amendment? Outside of foreign diplomats, being born in the US makes you a citizen.



We have that already. They are called Green Cards. The problem would be that undocumented people walking into a Federal place asking for green card could potentially be picked up and deported as they are admitting they are here illegally. Id assume most illegals wouldnt want to take that chance without some sort of assurances. The asylum process also works here as well. I have no problems to reforming the post asylum claim procedures as long as they are humane and efficient.

What crimes would constitute a deporation event? Speeding tickets? Theft? Physical altercations with your neighbors? Violent crimes? What if the parents of a child born in the country who has citizenship commit a "crime". Do you break up the family? Deport the adults away and leave the kids by themselves. I know your answer (too bad for the kids because their parents are criminals they go too) but the kids would have 14th amendment claims of citizenship protection. I dont think most people on your side consider illegals guests lol. As stated above by other posters just their presence in this country makes them "criminals" except that the asylum process allows them to remain in the country so they really havent committed a crime.


How do you propose to stop ALL illegal immigrants from crossing the border? If its a physical barrier what does it look like? Who builds it? Who pays for it? Is it a bunch of unmanned aerial drones? Are they to be apprehended or is there a no man's land where they automatically forfeit their life while crossing? Do you kill or apprehend border crossers before or after they cross? Do we have a permanent 24/365 manned presence along the border with constant surveillance? Its easy to complain about and nearly impossible to actually do with borders our size.

Ports of entry deal with all kinds of vital processes and include traffic, shipping, economy, food production, travel, and daily commuters with cross-border jobs. If you ramp up a massive increase in visas and naturalization programs, who pays for that? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to fund this beauocracy? Checking IDs is a small part of their daily duties regulating daily border crossings.

Makes you think why if either side isnt interested in fixing why does one side throw red meat to its base during election cycles every single time? Why did Lankford state unequivocally that Trump ordered the GOP to tank his bipartisan bill that had bipartisan support. I know you say you didnt like it but it was something and it was bipartisan. Then Trump ordered it to be tanked because he wanted to use immigration as a hit point on Dems and didnt want to give them a victory and take away his last piece of red meat to throw to his rabid dogs.

I dont assume the worst. Im going off of what they present to me daily and I put it back at them. Its funny that you say that and then make the comment about fucking donkeys even though you were so certain this Springfield issue was gonna get worse when in reality it was a made up bullshit designed to stoke your Great White Replacement theory fears. SMH.

Yep, you're open to change as long as it fits your narrative. Just like my comment about taking the money we've spent in Springfield to take care of our homeless, you quickly dismissed it deflecting to the Republicans. Your dismissing with more excuses.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Colorado mayor, police respond to Trump's claims that Venezuelan gang is 'taking over'

Aurora Mayor Mike Coffman and the police leaders have announced arrests and addressed Donald Trump's claims that a Venezuelan gang is 'taking over.'

www.usatoday.com

I'm not sure the point you're trying make with point 1. Is it since I don't live in Aurora I'm not directly impacted? I thought that was the whole point everyone here has made was that no matter where these illegals were coming to it negatively impacted the whole country and we had to stop it?

I said I wasn't speaking for the people of Aurora. You aren't a resident of Aurora but decided to speak on their behalf.

 

[RDU Irish]

Nope. Not a rant. I'd love to find common ground. Common ground that doesn't include massive deportations and constructing huge megaliths and isolationism. That is exactly what the GOP wants. "BUILD THE WALL"

MSN

You are talking about repealing the 14th Amendment? Outside of foreign diplomats, being born in the US makes you a citizen.



We have that already. They are called Green Cards. The problem would be that undocumented people walking into a Federal place asking for green card could potentially be picked up and deported as they are admitting they are here illegally. Id assume most illegals wouldnt want to take that chance without some sort of assurances. The asylum process also works here as well. I have no problems to reforming the post asylum claim procedures as long as they are humane and efficient.

What crimes would constitute a deporation event? Speeding tickets? Theft? Physical altercations with your neighbors? Violent crimes? What if the parents of a child born in the country who has citizenship commit a "crime". Do you break up the family? Deport the adults away and leave the kids by themselves. I know your answer (too bad for the kids because their parents are criminals they go too) but the kids would have 14th amendment claims of citizenship protection. I dont think most people on your side consider illegals guests lol. As stated above by other posters just their presence in this country makes them "criminals" except that the asylum process allows them to remain in the country so they really havent committed a crime.


How do you propose to stop ALL illegal immigrants from crossing the border? If its a physical barrier what does it look like? Who builds it? Who pays for it? Is it a bunch of unmanned aerial drones? Are they to be apprehended or is there a no man's land where they automatically forfeit their life while crossing? Do you kill or apprehend border crossers before or after they cross? Do we have a permanent 24/365 manned presence along the border with constant surveillance? Its easy to complain about and nearly impossible to actually do with borders our size.

Ports of entry deal with all kinds of vital processes and include traffic, shipping, economy, food production, travel, and daily commuters with cross-border jobs. If you ramp up a massive increase in visas and naturalization programs, who pays for that? Are you willing to pay more in taxes to fund this beauocracy? Checking IDs is a small part of their daily duties regulating daily border crossings.

Makes you think why if either side isnt interested in fixing why does one side throw red meat to its base during election cycles every single time? Why did Lankford state unequivocally that Trump ordered the GOP to tank his bipartisan bill that had bipartisan support. I know you say you didnt like it but it was something and it was bipartisan. Then Trump ordered it to be tanked because he wanted to use immigration as a hit point on Dems and didnt want to give them a victory and take away his last piece of red meat to throw to his rabid dogs.

I dont assume the worst. Im going off of what they present to me daily and I put it back at them. Its funny that you say that and then make the comment about fucking donkeys even though you were so certain this Springfield issue was gonna get worse when in reality it was a made up bullshit designed to stoke your Great White Replacement theory fears. SMH.

TLDR - flood the board and assume you won when normies have better things to do than write immigration dissertations on message boards.

Now lets revert to our corners where I say you want open borders and you say I want all illegals shot on sight. Carry on.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Absolute must read regarding the topic of immigration.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[drayer54]

Democracy dies in darkness

 

[ab2cmiller]

Also banned the immigration reporter from flying his drone about 3 years ago. So the world couldn't see the problem.

 

[RDU Irish]

Well that sounds like jailable misinformation. To the gulag with you.

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[GATTACA!]

Part 2 lmao

 

[NDVirginia19]

In case you had any question with how fucking stupid democrats are in their recklessness in courting illegal immigrants here to vote for them…

 

[RDU Irish]

Bro - they aren't illegal! Fact check yo racist ass, bitch!

 

[Irish#1]

Babylon Bee has been on fire with the comedic gold.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Dang Republicans, always lying about immigration

 

[Irish#1]

It's okay, because the percentage of immigrants that commit violent crimes is small compared to the percentage of U.S. citizens that commit them.

 

[Blazers46]

Enjoy your day off. Happy Columbus Day.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Enjoy your day off. Happy Columbus Day.

Peaceful immigrants who brought culture and diversity to America

 

[drayer54]

Wrap your head around this one.

 

[Blazers46]

Wrap your head around this one.

Not having enough babies because we have confused our young ones on what their parts were meant for. So let’s hedge that and open the border. Lol.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Umm yeah, I get that your daughter was brutally raped and murdered by somebody we let in the country without vetting them and previously arrested them assault and let them out without bail, but have you thought about how epic Mexican food is????

 

[Bluto]

Elon Musk Could Have US Citizenship Revoked If He Lied on Immigration Forms

The richest man in the world appears to have worked in the US without authorization. According to experts, if he did so and lied about it as part of the immigration process, he could be denaturalized.

www.wired.com

If Trump loses, then lands in the slammer and Musk has his citizenship revoked for breaking the law by entering the country illegally in the same year I might have to consider going to church again. Lol.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Our country would be considerably worse off with Musk not being here.