How bad will it get lounge

[irishandy]

I'm ready to change my Title.

Angeli for QB 2022...no italics.

 

[irishff1014]

I think we crush Cal next week and then get wacked by UNC and BYU.

Cal
UNLV
NAVY
STANFORD?
Will be our wins. Could really spiral if we lose to Cal. Buchner is likey out.

I do t think we crush anyone lol.

 

[irishff1014]

It's still baffling that we didn't grab a couple of receivers and a qb.

First time head coach and a terrible OC. I am not surprised they fucked this up.

 

[goldfish/milano]

USC, BYU, Clemson, and UNC are all losses. Wouldn't surprise me if they lost to a Syracuse or BC. My guess is 5-7 or 6-6.

That would be grounds for termination at any other top program. Not at good ol Notre Dame though

 

[goldfish/milano]

Hoping they lose every game. Clean house from top to bottom. Rethink NIL strategy and academic admissions.

BK averaged 11 wins a season, and played for the National Championship with high academic standards. It can be done if the right HC is brought in

 

[ThePiombino]

So help me God if we lose to Standford...

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[goldfish/milano]

It's still baffling that we didn't grab a couple of receivers and a qb.

It's still baffling to me why we hired Marcus Freeman as HC

 

[notredomer23]

We will know next week how the rest of the season will go with how ND responds IMO. I remember in 2007, Michigan opened with App State and Oregon losses. They went on to win 8 straight games and beat Tebow in their bowl. ND has the talent that they should be able to physically bully the rest of the schedule besides BYU and Clemson. Obviously, we haven’t seen that bully ball to date and it’s really been softness not seen since Charlie.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

We will know next week how the rest of the season will go with how ND responds IMO. I remember in 2007, Michigan opened with App State and Oregon losses. They went on to win 8 straight games and beat Tebow in their bowl. ND has the talent that they should be able to physically bully the rest of the schedule besides BYU and Clemson. Obviously, we haven’t seen that bully ball to date and it’s really been softness not seen since Charlie.

But we may have just lost our QB. Buchner may not be a world beater, but he is the best we got.

 

[notredomer23]

But we may have just lost our QB. Buchner may not be a world beater, but he is the best we got.

I get it and it sucks. But ND even with Pyne or Angeli has better talent on offense than 6 of the remaining teams on the schedule. It will have to look a lot like the 2002 ND team. Brian Mason has been earning his keep and will need to step up even more. The defensive line will have to take it up a notch. And obviously most of all, the offensive line needs to anchor this team. We know they have the talent and depth. There is absolutely no reason for them to be playing as terribly as they are. If that means moving to the young guys and dealing with growing pains, then so be it.

 

[Grahambo]

Really depends on what we see on Saturday. If we see the same personnel with the same play calling, it’s going to be a tough year. But, I don’t believe we’ll see that on Saturday. I’m deciding to take a half glass full approach because the alternative is a miserable way to live and we all deserve to be happy in life.

They can right the ship if they come out with a condensed playbook on offense with new personnel on OL including JP back at center. No more long shots to Lenzy, more balls to Zo and Tyree in space. Essentially, simplify the attack.

Defense has been enough. Is it perfect? No. But they’ve played well enough to be 2-0. No shock the unit with an incredibly experienced coordinator is holding their own but I digress. They still need to create a more consistent pash rush and force turnovers but the offense having failed as bad as they have has put more pressure on the defense to be perfect and that’s not good.

I can see a shock win against Clemson. BYU is a toss-up and I don’t see a USC win (to be fair, I never predicted a USC win this season). I think 9-3 is still possible but will settle with an 8-4 season which I don’t think is horrible considering a young staff and a young team.

 

[MacIrish75]

Really depends on what we see on Saturday. If we see the same personnel with the same play calling, it’s going to be a tough year. But, I don’t believe we’ll see that on Saturday. I’m deciding to take a half glass full approach because the alternative is a miserable way to live and we all deserve to be happy in life.

They can right the ship if they come out with a condensed playbook on offense with new personnel on OL including JP back at center. No more long shots to Lenzy, more balls to Zo and Tyree in space. Essentially, simplify the attack.

Defense has been enough. Is it perfect? No. But they’ve played well enough to be 2-0. No shock the unit with an incredibly experienced coordinator is holding their own but I digress. They still need to create a more consistent pash rush and force turnovers but the offense having failed as bad as they have has put more pressure on the defense to be perfect and that’s not good.

I can see a shock win against Clemson. BYU is a toss-up and I don’t see a USC win (to be fair, I never predicted a USC win this season). I think 9-3 is still possible but will settle with an 8-4 season which I don’t think is horrible considering a young staff and a young team.

I said 9-3 going in was probably likely with 10-2 being a pipe dream. The only thing we can’t do now is go 11-1. Beat BYU and get some neat Independent Conference Champs swag.

 

[MacIrish75]

Learning on the job is incredibly difficult. Is Freeman probably over his head a little bit? Yeah. I think he’d even admit that. He might even have a little impostor syndrome going on at the moment.

But, we know what the ceiling was for BK. We had a super high floor, but a really low ceiling. And, when we made the call to go with Freeman, I think we knew that the floor would probably be lower, but that the ceiling could potentially be higher if he could recruit at another level (which he’s proven thus far he can do) and also manage the team in the season and on gameday (which thus far he’s not proven he can do).

I just want to see progress from now until SC. Progress means that he’s learning and growing as an HC. Progress means that he’s coming into his own. Progress includes not being loyal to staff or players who have proven that they cannot do the job at the requisite level.

MFMF is going to be learning and wading all through this on maybe the most public stage in college football. I’m going to choose to believe he can do it, because as Grahambo said, to root against him or actively believe every week that he can’t get the job done is such a miserable perspective to live within.

 

[goldfish/milano]

Learning on the job is incredibly difficult. Is Freeman probably over his head a little bit? Yeah. I think he’d even admit that. He might even have a little impostor syndrome going on at the moment.

But, we know what the ceiling was for BK. We had a super high floor, but a really low ceiling. And, when we made the call to go with Freeman, I think we knew that the floor would probably be lower, but that the ceiling could potentially be higher if he could recruit at another level (which he’s proven thus far he can do) and also manage the team in the season and on gameday (which thus far he’s not proven he can do).

I just want to see progress from now until SC. Progress means that he’s learning and growing as an HC. Progress means that he’s coming into his own. Progress includes not being loyal to staff or players who have proven that they cannot do the job at the requisite level.

MFMF is going to be learning and wading all through this on maybe the most public stage in college football. I’m going to choose to believe he can do it, because as Grahambo said, to root against him or actively believe every week that he can’t get the job done is such a miserable perspective to live within.

Just like BK, I agree Freeman’s hands are tied, and I applied ND for the high academic standards. I also believe that 10/11 wins a season is good enough, but I just don’t see that happening with this current coaching staff. I hope I’m wrong though

 

[Rudy89]

We will know next week how the rest of the season will go with how ND responds IMO. I remember in 2007, Michigan opened with App State and Oregon losses. They went on to win 8 straight games and beat Tebow in their bowl. ND has the talent that they should be able to physically bully the rest of the schedule besides BYU and Clemson. Obviously, we haven’t seen that bully ball to date and it’s really been softness not seen since Charlie.

I remember 2007 and how ND was that year and I feel like that’s more likely to be the case for us. We seem to lack the talent that can compete just like we did in 07.

 

[NDPhilly]

the last 5 years of the Kelly era, mediocre QB play was bailed out by a great offensive line, which kept the O on time and moving the ball down the field against average opponents. While Buchner isn’t as good as Coan or 5th year senior Book, this is the biggest problem with the team. Not sure how much of that is on Freeman.

 

[notredomer23]

I remember 2007 and how ND was that year and I feel like that’s more likely to be the case for us.

I get your point cuz of the offense, but this is two entirely different things. 2007 had zero talent or depth in the junior or senior class at any position. The worst part of the 2022 team has been the offensive line where there is more talent and depth than any other position group. Are there holes on offense (on paper) this year, sure, but not even in the same universe as 2007.

 

[Rudy89]

I get your point cuz of the offense, but this is two entirely different things. 2007 had zero talent or depth in the junior or senior class at any position. The worst part of the 2022 team has been the offensive line where there is more talent and depth than any other position group. Are there holes on offense (on paper) this year, sure, but not even in the same universe as 2007.

This is another 03 at best. I don’t think we have the talent to pull something together and turn this into an ok year like like we did in 2010 or have a few big wins like we did in 04 or 08. Honestly I don’t know if we can ever turn this around given how we can’t recruit the same as the rest of the nation. Maybe the BK years were the last good years this program was capable of.

 

[ulukinatme]

I remember 2007 and how ND was that year and I feel like that’s more likely to be the case for us. We seem to lack the talent that can compete just like we did in 07.

A lot of people forget that 2007 was certainly on Charlie, but a lot of it was on Willingham's recruiting. The upperclassmen on that team were the players Ty did (Or didn't) recruit, and by dropping the ball in recruiting Ty set us up for failure in 2007.

Now look at how BK recruited our 2020 and 2019 players. First the Juniors: Mayer, Tyree, and 3 star Xavier Watts who has played above his billing. That's about it for big time contributors in that class.
Now look at the 2019 players: Hamilton, who is gone. Kyren, who's gone. That leaves Foskey and I guess Marist, Hart, Bertrand? Maybe you throw Kristofic in there, but those are your Senior recruits that are at least contributing or at one point contributed in that class and some of those names are a stretch. Lets face it, both of those classes didn't exactly pan out with a lot of big time starters.
The last good class we probably recruited before 2021 was probably 2018, but Lenzy hasn't exactly lived up to the hype.

These are some of the reasons we're struggling right now and why we're so young on offense.

 

[tko]

Is there another standard besides The Golden Standard?

 

[ColinKSU]

This offense can’t score on anyone. *Anyone*. Until that is fixed, you can’t pick them to beat anyone on their schedule with reasonable confidence.

Maybe 3-4 wins, if you’re asking me with what I’ve seen so far. Maybe the defense is good enough to beat a couple teams.

 

[stlnd01]

This is another 03 at best. I don’t think we have the talent to pull something together and turn this into an ok year like like we did in 2010 or have a few big wins like we did in 04 or 08. Honestly I don’t know if we can ever turn this around given how we can’t recruit the same as the rest of the nation. Maybe the BK years were the last good years this program was capable of.

We had the #7 recruiting class in the country last year. We will - at absolute worst - repeat that this year. Next year looking good so far, too.
Maybe we can’t recruit quite like Bama/Georgia/Ohio State. And yes Freeman needs to deliver on the field if he hopes to maintain his recruiting success so far.
But recruiting really isn’t the problem, even now with NIL. We’re bringing in the talent to win 10 games and hang in the Top 10 of the rankings. The sun will come out tomorrow.

 

[arahop]

BK averaged 11 wins a season, and played for the National Championship with high academic standards. It can be done if the right HC is brought in

Maybe not with the NiL there.added with the admissions
. NIL isn't a selling point to the 5 stars as evidenced by by Dante Moore and Keon Keeley going elsewhere because ND is behind the times. Championship ain't happening until 1 or both of those things become a strength not an opponent of the Football program

 

[Rudy89]

Maybe not with the NiL there.added with the admissions
. NIL isn't a selling point to the 5 stars as evidenced by by Dante Moore and Keon Keeley going elsewhere because ND is behind the times. Championship ain't happening until 1 or both of those things become a strength not an opponent of the Football program

Exactly

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

But we may have just lost our QB. Buchner may not be a world beater, but he is the best we got.

No, Buchner was a project not the best we got. I think the offense should improve with Pyne. By improve, I mean become slightly more consistent. Opposing defenses will not be able to sell out against the run like they have...there will be a credible passing attack. Will it be enough to ease the pressure on the defense? I guess we will find out, but I hope so.

I think there is enough leadership and talent on the team for us to be competitive in most of the games. Like always, the difference will be game plans and in game adjustments...a little lady luck.

Given our talent, I think we win 6 games this year.

 

[irishff1014]

We had the #7 recruiting class in the country last year. We will - at absolute worst - repeat that this year. Next year looking good so far, too.
Maybe we can’t recruit quite like Bama/Georgia/Ohio State. And yes Freeman needs to deliver on the field if he hopes to maintain his recruiting success so far.
But recruiting really isn’t the problem, even now with NIL. We’re bringing in the talent to win 10 games and hang in the Top 10 of the rankings. The sun will come out tomorrow.

You honestly think that this class will stay together if this team only wins 4-5 games?

Good luck with that.

 

[Irish'15]

Hoping they lose every game. Clean house from top to bottom. Rethink NIL strategy and academic admissions.

0-12. Rip the bandage off. Hire Fickell or someone better than Fickell, he retains Carr and builds a connection. We go all out NIL.

Most likely we win 5 games and the clown staff is retained for 2 more years while they further damage the program. All great recruits bail. Someone will have to fix the disaster and it’ll take a decade to recruit and develop. It’ll take a Booger 5-6 years to get back half of what Kelly built.

 

[Blazers46]

the last 5 years of the Kelly era, mediocre QB play was bailed out by a great offensive line, which kept the O on time and moving the ball down the field against average opponents. While Buchner isn’t as good as Coan or 5th year senior Book, this is the biggest problem with the team. Not sure how much of that is on Freeman.

Freeman has been the coach all offseason. He has seen how bad his Quarterbacks have been in practice. You are facing OSU in game 1. If your QB stinks, the #2 stinks, and then the #3 stinks even more... this is the free agent era of college football. Buchner must be a really nice guy to not want to hurt his feelings. At the end of the day who is evaluating talent? Cannot ride on "he was a 5 star" that one time.

 

[NDFAN2008]

BK averaged 11 wins a season, and played for the National Championship with high academic standards. It can be done if the right HC is brought in

9.5 wins is Kelly’s average

 

[NDFAN2008]

I’m giving Freeman 3 years minimum and think he will do well here. Blame who you want but 99% of the offensive issues are on Kelly and Rees not Freeman. It will take 2-3 years for us to get good solid depth and playmakers on offense