HaHa Clinton-Dix Suspended Indefinitely

[T Town Tommy]

"The loan that Harris reportedly provided to Clinton-Dix totaled less than $500 with the player's bank records showing that the player has since repaid Harris."

Doesn't really matter if it was paid back or not. And the S&C coach can not claim ignorance of the rules either. This is the kind of crap that is ruining college football. Furthermore, there is apparently at least an indirect connection between the S&C coach and an agent. If that's true, I would not let Clinton Dix come back at all. And the S&C coach... well, there's the door.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Doesn't really matter if it was paid back or not. And the S&C coach can not claim ignorance of the rules either. This is the kind of crap that is ruining college football. Furthermore, there is apparently at least an indirect connection between the S&C coach and an agent. If that's true, I would not let Clinton Dix come back at all. And the S&C coach... well, there's the door.

The S&C coach has been put on leave

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>BREAKING: Bama assistant strength coach placed on administrative leave for providing money to HaHa Clinton-Dix <a href="http://t.co/1HiM6EAwEl">http://t.co/1HiM6EAwEl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/espn">@espn</a></p>— tuscaloosanews (@tuscaloosanews) <a href="https://twitter.com/tuscaloosanews/statuses/385848264064397312">October 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[T Town Tommy]

The S&C coach has been put on leave

I am sure he will be gone when it is done. Failure to know the rules and/or knowingly breaking them is grounds for termination. He's good as gone.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

That head strength coach who sounds like Randy Savage is going to tear that assistant a new one.

 

[greyhammer90]

I will miss his random screaming.

Edit: it was an assistant. My mistake.

 

[T Town Tommy]

That head strength coach who sounds like Randy Savage is going to tear that assistant a new one.

Probably so. That guy scares me when I see him on the field.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Doesn't really matter if it was paid back or not. And the S&C coach can not claim ignorance of the rules either. This is the kind of crap that is ruining college football. Furthermore, there is apparently at least an indirect connection between the S&C coach and an agent. If that's true, I would not let Clinton Dix come back at all. And the S&C coach... well, there's the door.

Can't believe I'm disagreeing with an Alabama fan on his own players being to harshly punished. But, if there is no positive belief or proof that Dix had any contact with the agent or knowledge of the agent existing, I'd say a game or two would suffice. He knew what he did was wrong, but if he can show proof of repayment (which he has) then this would be a case where one could argue he's not much different than an average college kid. He got into a pinch and needed some $. Borrowed a small amount, and repayed it. Not the best choice of who to borrow from, but cmon now. Plus the connection to the agent may be nothing more than a friend, but the S/C coach has to know better than to keep those kind of friends.

 

[BGIF]

Can't believe I'm disagreeing with an Alabama fan on his own players being to harshly punished. But, if there is no positive belief or proof that Dix had any contact with the agent or knowledge of the agent existing, I'd say a game or two would suffice. He knew what he did was wrong, but if he can show proof of repayment (which he has) then this would be a case where one could argue he's not much different than an average college kid. He got into a pinch and needed some $. Borrowed a small amount, and repayed it. Not the best choice of who to borrow from, but cmon now. Plus the connection to the agent may be nothing more than a friend, but the S/C coach has to know better than to keep those kind of friends.

A recruit was on an official to U of Minn when Holtz was HC. The kid came to Holtz and said, he lost his wallet and had no money to eat. Holtz opened his wallet and handed the kid 10 or 20 bucks so he could eat till he got home. The recruit obviously wasn't being bought for $10 - 20. He also didn't verbal nor end up at U Minn. Regardless it was an NCAA violation as an extra benefit.

As for Clinton, Saban would be prudent to hold a potential ineligible player out of action until cleared by the NCAA. A coach being involved raises the spector of Lack of Institutional Control. A loan is an Extra Benefit violation regardless of amount. See Pat Dye and Auburn.

I severely doubt Saban made any decision unilaterally if that is the incident. The UA Compliance people, the AD, and UA lawyers would all be involved in planning the course of action.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Breaks my heart when a struggling college student has to borrow money after someone broke into their 2012 DODGE CHARGER, stole a $1,000 STEREO SYSTEM, and a $200 pair of AIR JORDANS.


I really don't know how this could be even considered a violation, the kid clearly needed money to buy a new subwoofer.


*If he's borrowing less than $500, clearly the car should be more concerning. If mom qualified for a "loan" (as I'm sure apologists will argue) to buy a $30,000 car, surely she's good for $200.

 

[BGIF]

Breaks my heart when a struggling college student has to borrow money after someone broke into their 2012 DODGE CHARGER, stole a $1,000 STEREO SYSTEM, and a $200 pair of AIR JORDANS.


I really don't know how this could be even considered a violation, the kid clearly needed money to buy a new subwoofer.

A subwoofer stipend would have prevented such a situation.

 

[Circa]

Pretty much the entirety of this thread shows how much of a fan those that post on here are!!!!! Raising Arizona was a movie ya'll should watch... we are actually not in flames? we are really disregarding this as another.... O btw the Big G is shut down.. so we are numb to all real things that happen in real life! Not just your simple 1

 

[Circa]

HaHa hasn't been in any type of trouble before so it's a misprint. It is a little surprising that he would do anything. Dix is an honor student and typically pretty low key. Oh well... behave and you play.

The one thing I thing you guys on IE are missing is the "indefinite" word in Saban's comments. When he uses that word it has meant in the past that the player won't be coming back. If that's the case, the only thing I can think of that would lead to that would probably be something along the lines of agent contact. He is still practicing so we will see but Saban usually doesn't bring anyone back when he says "indefinite."

Tired... so..

 

[Irish Insanity]

A recruit was on an official to U of Minn when Holtz was HC. The kid came to Holtz and said, he lost his wallet and had no money to eat. Holtz opened his wallet and handed the kid 10 or 20 bucks so he could eat till he got home. The recruit obviously wasn't being bought for $10 - 20. He also didn't verbal nor end up at U Minn. Regardless it was an NCAA violation as an extra benefit.

As for Clinton, Saban would be prudent to hold a potential ineligible player out of action until cleared by the NCAA. A coach being involved raises the spector of Lack of Institutional Control. A loan is an Extra Benefit violation regardless of amount. See Pat Dye and Auburn.

I severely doubt Saban made any decision unilaterally if that is the incident. The UA Compliance people, the AD, and UA lawyers would all be involved in planning the course of action.

I agree. I simply disagree with T Town about him not playing again. He wasn't out to cash in, or he woulda. And as far as we know, he didn't and hasn't.

 

[TheChosen1]

Did Haha Clinton-Dix Use Loan Money To Buy This Watch For A Chick?

 

[rtrn2glory]

i actually feel slightly bad for both here...very ignorant on both of their parts yes, but agreed the NCAA is ruining college football.

 

[BGIF]

I agree. I simply disagree with T Town about him not playing again. He wasn't out to cash in, or he woulda. And as far as we know, he didn't and hasn't.

I hear you but it doesn't matter if he wanted to cash in. It's an "Extra Benefit" violation.

Any coach should play it safe. Holding him out and self reporting is prudent damage control. Get a NCAA ruling before putting the player back on the field.



Now if I'm reading T'Town correctly, he's going further saying that "indefinitely" means adios, the bridge is burned. Saban is not taking a temporary step while he awaits an NCAA determination.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Now if I'm reading T'Town correctly, he's going further saying that "indefinitely" means adios, the bridge is burned. Saban is not taking a temporary step while he awaits an NCAA determination.

I believe he said earlier that if Saban holds someone out and labels it as indefinitely that usually they never return. Pretty sure he also agreed with Dix being sent on his way after learning of the violation. Thats where I disagreed. I don't see it as an offense worthy of being kicked off the team. I do however agree with your take that Saban should keep him out until the NCAA clears him.

 

[T Town Tommy]

A couple of things here. When Saban uses the word "indefinite" it usually means the player won't be coming back. It doesn't mean it is 100% of the time but generally that's what it means.

Secondly, Saban has no control over compliance issues. He will be told when - if ever - whether Clinton-Dix can come back. His only decision at that point is whether he allows him to see the field again. For all the negativity on this board about Saban, it is still hard to argue that he is a strict disciplinarian when it come to his players. If Clinton Dix remains on the team I would suspect that he will be spending a lot of his time on the sidelines watching.

End of the day it comes down to when did Alabama find out about the loan, how long did it take them to report it, and was the suspension given in the appropriate manner and timing. If they can answer these questions and show that they acted within the specified timelines appropriately then a suspension of some games is coming. If they can't answer those questions correctly then Bama has more serious issues coming their way.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Breaks my heart when a struggling college student has to borrow money after someone broke into their 2012 DODGE CHARGER, stole a $1,000 STEREO SYSTEM, and a $200 pair of AIR JORDANS.


I really don't know how this could be even considered a violation, the kid clearly needed money to buy a new subwoofer.


*If he's borrowing less than $500, clearly the car should be more concerning. If mom qualified for a "loan" (as I'm sure apologists will argue) to buy a $30,000 car, surely she's good for $200.

If the school bought the car for him they should be on the hook for the maintenance of it as well.

 

[dshans]

If the school bought the car for him they should be on the hook for the maintenance of it as well.

They shoulda paid for the sooper dooper deluxe warranty. It woulda been covered.

Someone might need firing. Without a severance package.

 

[Cackalacky]

I hear you but it doesn't matter if he wanted to cash in. It's an "Extra Benefit" violation.

Any coach should play it safe. Holding him out and self reporting is prudent damage control. Get a NCAA ruling before putting the player back on the field.



Now if I'm reading T'Town correctly, he's going further saying that "indefinitely" means adios, the bridge is burned. Saban is not taking a temporary step while he awaits an NCAA determination.

This is where I see the beauty in what Alabama has going on right now. Saban can now kick him off the team and look like he his coming down harsh (which in reality he is), and replace him with another stud from the scout team lol.

 

[phork]

A couple of things here. When Saban uses the word "indefinite" it usually means the player won't be coming back. It doesn't mean it is 100% of the time but generally that's what it means.

Secondly, Saban has no control over compliance issues. He will be told when - if ever - whether Clinton-Dix can come back. His only decision at that point is whether he allows him to see the field again. For all the negativity on this board about Saban, it is still hard to argue that he is a strict disciplinarian when it come to his players. If Clinton Dix remains on the team I would suspect that he will be spending a lot of his time on the sidelines watching.

End of the day it comes down to when did Alabama find out about the loan, how long did it take them to report it, and was the suspension given in the appropriate manner and timing. If they can answer these questions and show that they acted within the specified timelines appropriately then a suspension of some games is coming. If they can't answer those questions correctly then Bama has more serious issues coming their way.

Report: Alabama’s Ha Ha Clinton-Dix expected to miss 1-3 games | SI Wire

So indefinite in this case is 1-3 games.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Report: Alabama’s Ha Ha Clinton-Dix expected to miss 1-3*games | SI Wire

So indefinite in this case is 1-3 games.

We will see I guess. At some point I have to think Saban makes an example out of a player or two.It would not shock me at all that once his suspension is over, he will find himself standing on the sidelines a lot. Geno Smith was a projected starter this season and since he has served his one game suspension for DUI, he has barely sniffed the field. I look for Landon Collins to fill in for HaHa, especially since HaHa's backup Nick Perry is done for the year with a shoulder injury.

 

[BGIF]

Report: Alabama’s Ha Ha Clinton-Dix expected to miss 1-3*games | SI Wire

So indefinite in this case is 1-3 games.

Which is definitely indefinite while UA awaits the NCAA evaluation and ruling on the Compliance Report they filed voluntarily.

Kudos to Saban and the UA powers that be. If Gene Stallings and his AD had taken similar action 20 years ago, Langham would have been declared ineligible by the NCAA. Bama would not have suffered the severe sanctions they received including a season of forfeits. It was a different violation but the key NCAA issue was the way UA handled the matter. It sounds like this time they dotted the "i"s and crossed the "t"s.

 

[irishpat183]

Did Haha Clinton-Dix Use Loan Money To Buy This Watch For A Chick?

This is why I don't care about paying college athletes. Any argument made is BS. They don't need money. EVERYTHING is provided to them through the university.

I played 1-AA ball and never needed money for food and always had a fresh set of gear to wear.


Does the NCAA make money of these guys? Sure....but I bet they don't mind being on TV and signing big pro deals (some of them) because of the exposure. And those that don't make the pros? Make use of that education and get a job. Win-Win.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

NCAA Reinstates Clinton-Dix