George Zimmerman Trial

[Redbar]

Oh shut up. I'm using the sarcastic font.

That is funny. Then you tell me to shut up. Magogian we don't know each other and it's probably good we don't.

 

[GoIrish41]

So you would've taken away muskets?

Muskets were the most advanced weapons of their day. The same weapons that the authorities had. I do not believe everyone should have a fully automatic M-16 but acting like handguns are instruments of death that need to be outlawed is ridiculous as they are the perfect self defense weapon.

they are also a pretty good murder weapon

 

[irishpat183]

Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

Don't let the data get in the way of your narrative.

And people that drive cars are more likely to die in car wrecks than those that dont

 

[jmurphy75]

It's been great debating views with you fellas, have a good night.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Please don't make me stay up and moderate this shite. Keep it civil and just discuss.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

And people that drive cars are more likely to die in car wrecks than those that dont

Dude...I do research for a living. I know that correlation doesn't mean causation. But correlation is a thing.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

This is quickly turning into a Second Amendment debate thread.

*Come get me when you guys get to the 18th Amendment. I have some very harsh, opinionated things to say about that one!!!!!!!!

 

[Redbar]

Oh hush. I'm using the sarcastic font.

Shut up is what you said, "hush", I'd edit it back to shut up. You can try to argue an intellectual point here and there but your purpose has become apparent to me.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Please don't make me stay up and moderate this shite. Keep it civil and just discuss.

I'm actually shocked that it hasn't gotten nasty.

 

[magogian]

That is funny. Then you tell me to shut up. Magogian we don't know each other and it's probably good we don't.

we should just get a room

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Riots!

police attacked in riots | Fox News

SMH

 

[ACamp1900]

Did you seriously post this three posts in a row?? Lol

 

[Bluto]

Irish Pat. Here's some more links that discuss racial bias in sentencing and conviction.

Blacks Far More Likely Than Whites To Be Jailed For Low-Level Drug Crimes

The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[BobD]

Good thing you weren't around during the revolution, or we'd still be part of the British Empire.

Weak.

During the revolutionary war from 1775- 1783 there were approx 25,000 dead and 25,000 wounded. Over 100,000 people will be shot in the USA this year with no war going on inside our borders.

I'm a veteran BTW.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Irish Pat. Here's another article discussing racial bias in sentencing.

Blacks Far More Likely Than Whites To Be Jailed For Low-Level Drug Crimes

Data are biased.

 

[Irish Insanity]

disappointed

 

[magogian]

This + the thread you started a week or so ago should get you a breather. I don't know you but you don't represent yourself very well.

Wow, Redbar. Neg repping me and calling me a prick? Tsk Tsk.

 

[pumpdog20]

Irish Pat. Here's some more links that discuss racial bias in sentencing and conviction.

Blacks Far More Likely Than Whites To Be Jailed For Low-Level Drug Crimes

The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

Any articles that show discrepancies between Blacks and Hispanics?

 

[Redbar]

Wow, Redbar. Neg repping me and calling me a prick? Tsk Tsk.

I gave you a pass on the neg rep when you started that inflammatory thread a week ago, but you are what you are and you insisted on it.

 

[magogian]

My friend, you have very interesting selective outrage.

 

[Voltaire]

Regardless if you believe their should have been a conviction or not it is laughable to say race did not play a role and that the media whipped up a racial fury. Just nonsense. If race was not a role in this case do you truly believe had a white kid gone to buy skittles in Compton or East St. Louis and on his walk back a black man that was not a law enforcement officer but viewed himself as a defender of the neighborhood followed the unarmed white kid and a fight resulted at which point the black man was getting beat up and shot and killed the white kid that the black man would not go to jail? Even if you feel Zimmerman should not have been convicted under the same facts a black man would have been much, much, more likely to be convicted. So race is definitely a factor in this case and in the criminal justice system in America period.

In the past 30 years I think the total number of white kids who have just gone walking around East St. Louis alone to go buy some Skittles is probably pretty close to zero. You're legitimately just asking to get mugged if you do that.

 

[magogian]

Not a Victor Cruz fan anymore. He tweeted: "Thoroughly confused. Zimmerman doesn't last a year before the hood catches up to him."

 

[irishpat183]

Angela Corey should be held responsible for any retribution attacks or crimes.

She is a despicable human being that led the public on and was only concerned about her own gain from USING TM as her martyr

 

[magogian]

Angela Corey should be held responsible for any retribution attacks or crimes.

She is a despicable human being that led the public on and was only concerned about her own gain from USING TM as her martyr

Yep. Very repulsive.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Angela Corey should be held responsible for any retribution attacks or crimes.

She is a despicable human being that led the public on and was only concerned about her own gain from USING TM as her martyr

Ease up, pal.

Can you legitimately not see any outrage at this verdict?

 

[Woneone]

Irish Pat. Here's some more links that discuss racial bias in sentencing and conviction.

Blacks Far More Likely Than Whites To Be Jailed For Low-Level Drug Crimes

The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

The second article is interesting. I'll actually look at that more later.

The first, it's confined to Cook County, Ill. And doesn't link the actual report, only gives a synopsis. Looking at the numbers, I'm going to need someone to explain it to me, because they just don't add up. From what I gathered, more nonwhite are 5% more likely to have the charges dropped. Whites are 17% more likely to receive probation, and somehow, without any other info, they are saying this is directly responsible for an 8 to 1 ratio of non-white to whites in prison for these crimes (I hope that makes sense). Unless the arrests were about 6 times higher for blacks on these class 4 drug charges, I don't see this making much sense.

Although, if they were arrested at 6 times the level of whites, that may explain the prison populations.

Edit: Duuuh. It links the report. It just hides it by hyperlinking on the word "REPORT". Sneaky bastards.

 

[Redbar]

My friend, you have very interesting selective outrage.

If that is directed at me, I am not outraged at all, but I do pay attention to people's post and I have observed over several threads not just these two that you enjoy trolling, or throwing a grenade in the thread as I believe you have called it in the past, I think you try to in"flame" people, that is your thing I don't like it. And we are most certainly not friends.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

In the past 30 years I think the total number of white kids who have just gone walking around East St. Louis alone to go buy some Skittles is probably pretty close to zero. You're legitimately just asking to get mugged if you do that.

OK well then replace East St. Louis with another black neighborhood. How 'bout Harlem, I lived there in 2003-04 and regularly walked the five blocks from the subway to my apartment after midnight, in addition to walking all over the neighborhood. Never was robbed, never felt threatened. Today considerably more white people live there than when I did, but still majority black. Not that any of that is really the point. Point is same situation of white kid going to store in a black neighborhood, same altercation occurs, and white kid gets killed then black shooter almost certainly going to jail. Also as a side note I don't know East St. Louis, it may very well be just as bad as its reputation, but there is generally a hugely overblown fear on the part of whites of black neighborhoods. Generally if you treat people with respect, mind your own business, and behave with common sense you will be fine.

 

[magogian]

Interesting timeline of media lies that distorted the national narrative and reflections of incredible bias:

March 13, 2012 - ABC News Reporter Claims Trayvon Shot Because "He Was Black"

About ten days before Al Sharpton and President Obama would launch the Zimmerman story into the stratosphere, Matt Gutman, an ABC News correspondent based in Miami, Florida, was already (and without a shred of evidence) laying the track for a racial narrative.

Gutman covered the case for the network, and his Twitter feed at the time was full of falsehoods, innuendo, and irresponsible speculation. In one tweet, Gutman came right out and claimed Trayvon was shot "bc [because] he was black."


March 21, 2012 - CNN Falsely Accuses Zimmerman of Saying "F**king Coon"

Knowing full well the phony racial storm brewing around the Zimmerman case was about to have gasoline thrown on it the next day, CNN went to extraordinary lengths to claim Zimmerman had uttered the racial slur "coon" when he had not.

This has to be watched to be believed.

CNN wouldn't officially retract their defamation until April 5th, long after it was too late.

March 27, 2012 - NBC News Edits 911 Audio to Make Zimmerman Look Racist

On the storied Today Show, NBC News told America Zimmerman said this on the 911 call:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

When the truth is that the unedited audio actually went like this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.

After the fraudulent editing was discovered by the New Media (first by Breitbart News), former NBC News president Steve Capus would claim that the edit was "a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call."

Eventually, several NBC producers would be fired (without being named), and Zimmerman would file a lawsuit against NBC; it remains unresolved.

March 28, 2012 - ABC News Falsely Claims Zimmerman Wasn't Injured Night of Shooting

The day after NBC News released its falsified 911 bombshell, ABC News released a phony, hyped-up story of its own. Using grainy surveillance video of Zimmerman at the police station on the night of the shooting, ABC News claimed, "A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman."

Obviously, if true, this would go a long way towards proving Zimmerman was not in fear of his life the night of the shooting and had lied about being beaten up.

The only problem is that the ABC News story was not true -- not even close. The network didn't bother to enhance the video before breaking the news. Had they, Zimmerman's bloody head would have been quite apparent.

It would take four days for ABC to retract its falsehood.

April 1, 2012 - The New York Times Maliciously Edits Zimmerman's 911 Call

Although the NBC News malicious edit of Zimmerman's 911 call broadcast on the Today Show had already been loudly and publicly debunked, days later the New York Times did the same thing on its front page.

By rearranging the words of the call, the Times falsely made it look as though Zimmerman had profiled Trayvon as black:

Here is the 911 call transcript:

ZIMMERMAN: This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

911 DISPATCHER: Okay. And this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

ZIMMERMAN: He looks black.

And here is what the Times reported:

“Hey, we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood,” Mr. Zimmerman said to start the conversation with the dispatcher. “And there’s a real suspicious guy.”

This guy seemed to be up to no good; like he was on drugs or something; in a gray hoodie. Asked to describe him further, he said, “He looks black.”




No wonder people are upset. They had this "media" as their guide.

 

[magogian]

If that is directed at me, I am not outraged at all, but I do pay attention to people's post and I have observed over several threads not just these two that you enjoy trolling, or throwing a grenade in the thread as I believe you have called it in the past, I think you try to in"flame" people, that is your thing I don't like it. And we are most certainly not friends.

Ok, buddy. I'm genuinely hurt. Here I thought we were the best of friends.