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•By week 6, the Wood suspension will have been a blessing in disguise.
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Not like the old Bogs trotted that one out first.

Absolute hit, again.
 
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I like it when ND is compared to the Oregon offense in any sense. From Inside the Irish.

With Amir Carlisle ready to play this Saturday and Cierre Wood back in action next week, it won’t be a stretch for the Irish to have seven ball carriers — Wood, Theo Riddick, George Atkinson, Golson, Carlisle, Cam McDaniel, and Davonte Neal — all deserving of touches. (And Robby Toma got some ground work out of the slot on Saturday.)

And while it may seem like eleven receivers contributing catches is a product of Oregon’s impressive depth on the roster, consider ten different players on the Irish roster caught balls on Saturday, and that’s with Toma, freshman Chris Brown, and John Goodman all being held without a catch. As Brian Kelly tries to figure out how to make due without former Irish great Michael Floyd, it appears we are starting to see how he plans on doing it: Multiplicity.


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Great article. Exactly. Your article dovetails with what I have heard Chuck Martin say twice, that it is nothing fancy or mysterious. You move your people to where you cqn create a mismatch, and attack. Then you make the defense decide how they are going to try to handle it. I love it when a plan comes together!
 
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I believe, and Coach actually said things like this a long time ago, that although it's nice to have superstars, this offense SHOULD be so simple and well-designed that it makes its own plays. What you need are people who don't make glaring errors, run precise routes, catch the ball when it comes, block for their buddies, and the offense rolls on the back of great execution in the 8-to-15 yard area of the field.

One analyst once said that Kelly can create a good NCAA receiver "just by breathing on him". This is what he meant. You can't create Mike Floyd or Golden Tate that way, but you can create 10 "lesser" but very effective guys if they'll put in the disciplined work and have the "football brains" necessary. That is why though I was saddened to know that I wasn't going to be able to see Big Mike's wonderful athleticism this season, I was not terrorized by the inevitable loss. The Kelly system survives graduation.
 
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I have been telling people that don't know Notre Dame that we will be looking very much like Oregon very soon. This was increased because of Harry Hiestad. No longer are we doing as much pulling and trapping. No longer does the running game rely on a decent passing game like in the past. The zone running scheme is sustainable in itself.
 
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It's better to have 8/10 talent and execute 95% of the time than have 10/10 talent and execute 75% of the time. Simpler can definitely be better.
 
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In all, the Ducks had six different ball-carries with at least a 24-yard gain. They had 11 different receivers with a reception of 10 yards or longer. They were 10-of-19 on third downs and four-of-five on fourth downs
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Against Arkansas STATE.
 
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I have trouble seeing why people are comparing our offense to Oregon's so much. When you think of the Oregon offense, you think of their hurry up tempo. But our offense doesn't use the hurry up. And I don't think we plan on it either. I remember BK said that you can attack defenses two ways: either through the hurry up, or through personnel packages. And he's decided on the latter.
So people must be comparing ND and Oregon in ways other than tempo, right?
 
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MrIrishCanadian1 said:
I have trouble seeing why people are comparing our offense to Oregon's so much. When you think of the Oregon offense, you think of their hurry up tempo. But our offense doesn't use the hurry up. And I don't think we plan on it either. I remember BK said that you can attack defenses two ways: either through the hurry up, or through personnel packages. And he's decided on the latter.
So people must be comparing ND and Oregon in ways other than tempo, right?
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So to your first point BK originally tried that earlier EG. Maryland last year and I think that there were one or two other games where we ran over 70 plays. I think when Everett has the playbook and the coaches have more complete confidence it will turn back toward that. But what I really mean by this is that they have 30 to 40 plays total in their playbook beginning with the inside and outside zone. It is a very simple offense. but they confuse defenses with formations. With Hiestad and Martin we are going to become a more inside outside zone run scheme team. Previously Kelly ran his run game off the pass it not based off the pass anymore. We will also have a very simple easy to read passing game.

OMM correct me if I am wrong about any of this.
 
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MrIrishCanadian1 said:
I have trouble seeing why people are comparing our offense to Oregon's so much. When you think of the Oregon offense, you think of their hurry up tempo. But our offense doesn't use the hurry up. And I don't think we plan on it either. I remember BK said that you can attack defenses two ways: either through the hurry up, or through personnel packages. And he's decided on the latter.
So people must be comparing ND and Oregon in ways other than tempo, right?
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they are comparing them because oregon just distributes the ball to a lot of people whether its through passing or running the ball.." Ducks had six different ball-carries with at least a 24-yard gain. They had 11 different receivers with a reception of 10 yards or longer.

and ND this year has a stable of running back which were used in the navy game:theo,ga3,cam,neal and toma all got carries...when has this ever happend at nd...it was always at best 2-3....same w/ the passing game...floyd/eifert were targeted all the time last year and everyone else there was a huge drop off...where this year in going by the play calling and targets it was an even distribution...aslo oregon typically runs several running plays and passing plays so even though they are fast and exciting to watch, their play calling isn't overally complicated and again we were discribed as a vanilla game plan...however look at the numbers we put up...again the comparison is there..as we had only a couple of different plays..maybe there were different personal changes but we only ran a handful of different plays


im not that great w/ words and i can be very confusing so here is a good read:

With Notre Dame breaking in a first-time quarterback in Everett Golson, many worried the Irish offensive attack would be too vanilla, making it easy on opposing defensive coordinators. Those that watched Notre Dame’s debut against Navy saw simplicity in the approach, but success in that execution. It may have been vanilla, but that tends to work with a steamroller of a running game as American as apple pie.

The Irish ran a simple playbook last Saturday, relying on a handful of core running plays and a modified passing game that including inside screens, swing passes, a fade route to Tyler Eifert and some play-action boot passing. It was a streamlined playbook for Golson, and with the exception of an interception forced into Eifert, a game plan that the Irish quarterback executed well.

As the season progresses, no doubt Notre Dame will add a few wrinkles and continue to build the offensive attack. Yet for those worried that the Irish offense will be too vanilla CBS Sports’ Bruce Feldman writes something quite interesting today when discussing the high octane Oregon attack: it’s pretty simple, too.

Feldman recaps Oregon’s prolific success last Saturday and details just how effective the vanilla system can be.

As flashy as the Ducks’ personnel and shiny uniforms are, their playbook was actually not fancy. Like many teams, they run the inside zone, they run the stretch play, run the power, throw some screens and are very adept at running boots and nakeds thanks to their dynamic young QB. “It’s West Coast concepts and some spot routes, but they’re so good at play-action and their O-line does a good job of selling play-action, and when they run the climb routes, they just get on you so fast and find the spaces between the linebacker and the safeties.”

In all, the Ducks had six different ball-carries with at least a 24-yard gain. They had 11 different receivers with a reception of 10 yards or longer. They were 10-of-19 on third downs and four-of-five on fourth downs. “You’ve gotta keep great leverage on them, and that’s what we didn’t do,” Thompson said.
With Amir Carlisle ready to play this Saturday and Cierre Wood back in action next week, it won’t be a stretch for the Irish to have seven ball carriers — Wood, Theo Riddick, George Atkinson, Golson, Carlisle, Cam McDaniel, and Davonte Neal — all deserving of touches. (And Robby Toma got some ground work out of the slot on Saturday.)

And while it may seem like eleven receivers contributing catches is a product of Oregon’s impressive depth on the roster, consider ten different players on the Irish roster caught balls on Saturday, and that’s with Toma, freshman Chris Brown, and John Goodman all being held without a catch. As Brian Kelly tries to figure out how to make due without former Irish great Michael Floyd, it appears we are starting to see how he plans on doing it: Multiplicity.

After finishing last season with only twelve players catching a pass throughout the entire season, (Atkinson, Mike Ragone, Ben Koyack, and Alex Welch only caught one ball each), the Irish worked numerous receivers in and out of the game, changing formations and specializing the roles of each player tasked with helping the Irish win. TJ Jones excelled on the inside screen. Davaris Daniels had a nice gainer vertical down the sidelines. Koyack could’ve caught two more balls for big gains on play action and Troy Niklas nearly scored on his reception. I could go on, but the pattern is already starting to emerge.

Oregon’s offense doesn’t need to be complex when it’s run at the breakneck pace the Ducks move. With Golson under center and a running game that’ll likely stay strong behind a veteran Irish offensive line, Notre Dame should be able to use pace and tempo to help succeed on offense as well. While the Irish eschewed that technique with Tommy Rees under center, instead satisfied to counterpunch, Golson’s ability to be a runner and a passer, along with the personnel mismatches the Irish can create with multiple tight ends and running backs, should help keep defenses off balance and allow the Irish to stay proactive and aggressive.

We’ve likely only seen a smidgeon of the Irish offense for the season, especially with Notre Dame playing with a large lead for much of last Saturday’s game. But even if it doesn’t get much more exotic, there might not be a reason to worry.

Sometimes, vanilla is good.





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This thread was hijacked by egoes wanting to make smart points and get attention. All Keith did was make a simple distribution comparison, and I brought up the point Martin made about getting the right pesonel in to exploit defenses.
 
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Against Arkansas STATE.
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Semantics my friend (kind of). Anyway, to further the point on the ball distribution, ND had 3 separate TE's w a catch. That is not something that alot of teams can do or will even attempt to do. This kind of distribution HAS to keep opposing D Coordinators up at night. One can't look at Hercules, er Niklas and say he is simply in there to flip sleds, I mean block for the run. Everyone in this offense not wearing a number in the 70's has got to be accounted for. Can't wait for Amir and Cierre to join the fun.
 
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This thread was hijacked by egoes wanting to make smart points and get attention. All Keith did was make a simple distribution comparison, and I brought up the point Martin made about getting the right pesonel in to exploit defenses.
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wtf is this about?
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
Semantics my friend (kind of). Anyway, to further the point on the ball distribution, ND had 3 separate TE's w a catch. That is not something that alot of teams can do or will even attempt to do. This kind of distribution HAS to keep opposing D Coordinators up at night. One can't look at Hercules, er Niklas and say he is simply in there to flip sleds, I mean block for the run. Everyone in this offense not wearing a number in the 70's has got to be accounted for. Can't wait for Amir and Cierre to join the fun.
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You know, it is kind of like a chainsaw; A machine with a bunch of rapidly moving parts, each in different directions.
 
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I like the way this is going. Let the crowd do it's thing.

“You have to change the culture,” Swarbrick told Hansen. “The ushers are often reacting to a request from somebody else who wants the person to shut up and sit down — and that’s what we have to get to. That’s what we’re trying to change.

“We still want to be the most welcoming place in the country. But I don’t want athletic directors telling me, ‘We love playing here,’ which is what they say to me with some frequency.”


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This is a great program for handling the complacent attitude in the stands. Kind of mirrors the change in the players attitude, no?
 
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Not sure where to put it as it didn't need its own thread yet, but apparently a Boston sports radio station was reporting that UCONN and Notre Dame will play in 2014. At Fenway. That would be sick.
 
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Not sure where to put it as it didn't need its own thread yet, but apparently a Boston sports radio station was reporting that UCONN and Notre Dame will play in 2014. At Fenway. That would be sick.
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i don't like that at all the field isbarely big enough for baseball let alone football. Why not try and do Foxboro?
 
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clashmore_mike said:
Not sure where to put it as it didn't need its own thread yet, but apparently a Boston sports radio station was reporting that UCONN and Notre Dame will play in 2014. At Fenway. That would be sick.
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Why not play BC there?? Who cares about UCONN...
 
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clashmore_mike said:
Not sure where to put it as it didn't need its own thread yet, but apparently a Boston sports radio station was reporting that UCONN and Notre Dame will play in 2014. At Fenway. That would be sick.
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I believe they are scheduled to play UConn at Foxboro one of these coming seasons. I will be there for sure.
 
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