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... and a lot of that is that we have Big Boys who want to play Big Boy ball. ... plus a QB who stops fussing too much and goes for it, and a brilliant DC.

But all props for the O&D lines.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t worry - LT Liam Eichenberg can pick up the twist and slot blitz at same time... All good folks <a href="https://t.co/1y7oH3e64S">pic.twitter.com/1y7oH3e64S</a></p>β€” Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1320090559193690115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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.... shhhh don't tell IE about Book.

To be fair, you do realize that his play this week doesn't make his play against UL or USF better, right? This notion that because he had a good game, previous performances and warranted criticism don't matter, is pretty wild.

I would say that a majority of IE acknowledges Book's ability to play well. It's just that he doesn't do so consistently. This was the first time he's thrown for over 10yds/att in the last 8 games (Navy last year). He had 3 such games last year and those were against New Mexico (most of those were virtually handoffs), BGSU, and Navy. So, this is notable as it's against a legit defense. Big props on that. But the rest were not.

If this is finally the time that he plays like this regularly, then I'm sure IE will be very happy to congratulate him on every game and achievement. But, let's see him do it in consecutive games and put together a reasonable NFL resume.
 

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To be fair, you do realize that his play this week doesn't make his play against UL or USF better, right? This notion that because he had a good game, previous performances and warranted criticism don't matter, is pretty wild.

I would say that a majority of IE acknowledges Book's ability to play well. It's just that he doesn't do so consistently. This was the first time he's thrown for over 10yds/att in the last 8 games (Navy last year). He had 3 such games last year and those were against New Mexico (most of those were virtually handoffs), BGSU, and Navy. So, this is notable as it's against a legit defense. Big props on that. But the rest were not.

If this is finally the time that he plays like this regularly, then I'm sure IE will be very happy to congratulate him on every game and achievement. But, let's see him do it in consecutive games and put together a reasonable NFL resume.

He has some very bad moments vs Pitt. Good stats, but inconsistent performance.

I think Skow's emergence, and Mayer getting more targets, were a big part of his good moments. That said, even in his good moments, the hate was still very strong during the game.
 

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.... shhhh don't tell IE about Book.

To be fair, you do realize that his play this week doesn't make his play against UL or USF better, right? This notion that because he had a good game, previous performances and warranted criticism don't matter, is pretty wild.

I would say that a majority of IE acknowledges Book's ability to play well. It's just that he doesn't do so consistently. This was the first time he's thrown for over 10yds/att in the last 8 games (Navy last year). He had 3 such games last year and those were against New Mexico (most of those were virtually handoffs), BGSU, and Navy. So, this is notable as it's against a legit defense. Big props on that. But the rest were not.

If this is finally the time that he plays like this regularly, then I'm sure IE will be very happy to congratulate him on every game and achievement. But, let's see him do it in consecutive games and put together a reasonable NFL resume.


I posted this based on Book's performance against Pitt...



I understand the downfalls of Book - don't get me wrong; Book has his flaws.


But there are a lot of items he does very well...


- Manages the game/offense well
- Out of 124 pass attempts this year, 1 INT
- 60% completion rate
- 8 yards per pass average (8.3)
- 4 yards per rush - 5 rushing TDs.


The Kid is on one of the top 5 largest 'stages' in CFB.



I'm not exalting him to a 'Supreme' QB - but his WR core is C-grade at best. And the argument about BK's involvement of 'creating the perfect Beast of QBs' has been discussed for the past 7-8 years?



So, IMO - I can't lay all the blame on Book. I actually appreciate his work ethic and if anyone can doubt he's not trying to his best each game is crazy.



He may not be the best - but he is the best at trying to win games.
 

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He has some very bad moments vs Pitt. Good stats, but inconsistent performance.

I think Skow's emergence, and Mayer getting more targets, were a big part of his good moments. That said, even in his good moments, the hate was still very strong during the game.

He did and I wasn't going to nitpick his performance as much as enjoy because I tend to be an optimistic person. But, yes, the difference between a competitive game versus Clemson and a blow out loss is probably still several better Book possessions against Pitt.
 

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He did and I wasn't going to nitpick his performance as much as enjoy because I tend to be an optimistic person. But, yes, the difference between a competitive game versus Clemson and a blow out loss is probably still several better Book possessions against Pitt.


Agreed to an extent.... teams are stacking the box against the Irish knowing they don't have a great WR core right now and Tyree can rip you up if you don't have stacked box...


I really/truly believe Rees and BK need to start setting up 'relief valves' between Mayer and Tremble.
 

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He did and I wasn't going to nitpick his performance as much as enjoy because I tend to be an optimistic person. But, yes, the difference between a competitive game versus Clemson and a blow out loss is probably still several better Book possessions against Pitt.

Just hoping he gets in a rhythm leading up to Clemson. He's always thrown better to big guys, so hoping they give him plenty of 1st reads to Skow and Mayer. He needs to get into a groove leading up to Clemson. I know he's inconsistent in general, but I do think part of the issue is WRs. So bummed about Austin.
 

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I posted this based on Book's performance against Pitt...



I understand the downfalls of Book - don't get me wrong; Book has his flaws.


But there are a lot of items he does very well...


- Manages the game/offense well
- Out of 124 pass attempts this year, 1 INT
- 60% completion rate

- 8 yards per pass average (8.3)
- 4 yards per rush - 5 rushing TDs.


The Kid is on one of the top 5 largest 'stages' in CFB.



I'm not exalting him to a 'Supreme' QB - but his WR core is C-grade at best. And the argument about BK's involvement of 'creating the perfect Beast of QBs' has been discussed for the past 7-8 years?



So, IMO - I can't lay all the blame on Book. I actually appreciate his work ethic and if anyone can doubt he's not trying to his best each game is crazy.



He may not be the best - but he is the best at trying to win games.

See, I don't believe he manages the game consistently well. Not throwing INT's isn't the only way to gauge how well he's managing the game. Taking unnecessary sacks, missing easy completions, not attempting the big throws or refusing to throw certain passes, etc. All of that is a part of managing the offense and he struggles to consistently do those things. Backing up S's is an important part of managing the offense. Getting 3 or 4 yards on a check down versus 2-3 yard sack, is part of managing the offense. Throwing routes on time so players have a chance for after the catch is part of managing the offense. At this point in his career, he's not calling the offense and has virtually no pre-snap responsibilities. Not throwing picks is a crazy low bar for a 5th year Senior.

I would much rather Book have 3 or 4 INT's on the season, if it meant his yards/avg was consistently 8.5+ with more games pushing or over 10+. If the offense is close to midfield and S's are being aggressive in the run game, take the damn shot 30-40 yards downfield. Refusing to back up S's because of refusal to throw those passes, also has consequences over the course of a game.

60% comp pct isn't really that good. Never having a game, against those defenses, over 65% comp pct is a serious problem. Again, if he was pushing some limits of really good to elite status more often, and his down games for still good then I don't think we are talking about this. But, he's putting too few really good games together and some of his bad performances aren't starting QB worthy.
 

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See, I don't believe he manages the game consistently well. Not throwing INT's isn't the only way to gauge how well he's managing the game. Taking unnecessary sacks, missing easy completions, not attempting the big throws or refusing to throw certain passes, etc. All of that is a part of managing the offense and he struggles to consistently do those things. Backing up S's is an important part of managing the offense. Getting 3 or 4 yards on a check down versus 2-3 yard sack, is part of managing the offense. Throwing routes on time so players have a chance for after the catch is part of managing the offense. At this point in his career, he's not calling the offense and has virtually no pre-snap responsibilities. Not throwing picks is a crazy low bar for a 5th year Senior.

I would much rather Book have 3 or 4 INT's on the season, if it meant his yards/avg was consistently 8.5+ with more games pushing or over 10+. If the offense is close to midfield and S's are being aggressive in the run game, take the damn shot 30-40 yards downfield. Refusing to back up S's because of refusal to throw those passes, also has consequences over the course of a game.

60% comp pct isn't really that good. Never having a game, against those defenses, over 65% comp pct is a serious problem. Again, if he was pushing some limits of really good to elite status more often, and his down games for still good then I don't think we are talking about this. But, he's putting too few really good games together and some of his bad performances aren't starting QB worthy.


I get all that.. I do. But, he's winning games. Ugly or not, I actually am not really a stat guy. I listed those because they are stats that are worthy of a QB not screwing up all the time. I was talking to someone a couple of weeks ago and they were talking about, 'Well, they have this many yards against them and this many yards for them".


You know the only stats that matter to me is 5-0 and the final score.



I'm not trying to demean your opinion or observations by any means. They have merit. I just hate all of the 'hits' on the guy when he's out there doing/trying his best.
 
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Against Clemson, I'd like to see a two TE set with Williams lining up split out, then put. in motion or left as a receiver. In the later case, we have the two WRs, Mayer, and Williams as receivers and Wright/Tremble as a blocker or on a delayed route. Williams could motion back to RB and RTDB.
 

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Against Clemson, I'd like to see a two TE set with Williams lining up split out, then put. in motion or left as a receiver. In the later case, we have the two WRs, Mayer, and Williams as receivers and Wright/Tremble as a blocker or on a delayed route. Williams could motion back to RB and RTDB.

Mayer and Skow out wide.
Tyree and Javon/Tremble inside.
Williams in the backfield.
 

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Against Clemson, I'd like to see a two TE set with Williams lining up split out, then put. in motion or left as a receiver. In the later case, we have the two WRs, Mayer, and Williams as receivers and Wright/Tremble as a blocker or on a delayed route. Williams could motion back to RB and RTDB.

Mayer and Skow out wide.
Tyree and Javon/Tremble inside.
Williams in the backfield.


YJ and I have been strong advocates of a more (Pro-Set)-ish combo.... With the WR situation right now, a RPO dual-set in TE's and RB's or 'satellite' receiver in place... defenses wouldn't be able to stack as many in the box.... plus it would give Book a slant/post option for 3-4-5 yards.


I have been in total agreement with YJ on this and he with me...


What's perplexing... it seems this time as 'arm-chair' QB's / Coaching... it would deem this to be a probable
payoff for the Irish in current situations.


Against GT... this game would be Ideal to test/try it.
 

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YJ and I have been strong advocates of a more (Pro-Set)-ish combo.... With the WR situation right now, a RPO dual-set in TE's and RB's or 'satellite' receiver in place... defenses wouldn't be able to stack as many in the box.... plus it would give Book a slant/post option for 3-4-5 yards.

I have been in total agreement with YJ on this and he with me...

What's perplexing... it seems this time as 'arm-chair' QB's / Coaching... it would deem this to be a probable
payoff for the Irish in current situations.

Against GT... this game would be Ideal to test/try it.

To be fair, I was down on Skow coming in. He totally blew me away on Saturday. Not saying he's all world or anything, but he totally stomped on my low expectations. Great ball tracking and fight for contested balls.

He and Meyer are the only guys thus far to look the part. Need to keep riding that train. I think Tyree out of the slot could be killer, or a z-like motion guy, but that's projected hope more than anything.

Bottom line, spread it out, make them defend the whole field. I think we could run some pretty good rubs across the middle with Javon and Tremble too.
 

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To be fair, I was down on Skow coming in. He totally blew me away on Saturday. Not saying he's all world or anything, but he totally stomped on my low expectations. Great ball tracking and fight for contested balls.

He and Meyer are the only guys thus far to look the part. Need to keep riding that train. I think Tyree out of the slot could be killer, or a z-like motion guy, but that's projected hope more than anything.

Bottom line, spread it out, make them defend the whole field. I think we could run some pretty good rubs across the middle with Javon and Tremble too.


With the WR situation.... and the passing game situation... I don't think the 'spread-out' scenario - regardless of who's on the outside would fool any defense against the Irish right now.


Have to disagree with you on this one.
 

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With the WR situation.... and the passing game situation... I don't think the 'spread-out' scenario - regardless of who's on the outside would fool any defense against the Irish right now.


Have to disagree with you on this one.

Book was successful hitting Skow outside last week. He was pretty decent hitting Claypool outside last year. I think the problem was pre-Skow, was Javon and Lenzy outside just weren't Claypool or Skow-like in terms of athleticism and ball tracking. Javon tries to fight, but his measurables don't match the effort.
 

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To be fair, I was down on Skow coming in. He totally blew me away on Saturday. Not saying he's all world or anything, but he totally stomped on my low expectations. Great ball tracking and fight for contested balls.

He and Meyer are the only guys thus far to look the part. Need to keep riding that train. I think Tyree out of the slot could be killer, or a z-like motion guy, but that's projected hope more than anything.

Bottom line, spread it out, make them defend the whole field. I think we could run some pretty good rubs across the middle with Javon and Tremble too.

I'll agree with you that BS's ball tracking on Saturday was much better than what we've seen from the WRs all year. I also really hope we get to see more of Tyree being put in space.
 

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I'll agree with you that BS's ball tracking on Saturday was much better than what we've seen from the WRs all year. I also really hope we get to see more of Tyree being put in space.

I need to totally eat crow for doubting Skow when we first picked him up. Hope it's more than a one game flash. Watching his highlights from NW, I don't recall seeing the same type of play. I know he was hurt last year, but he had decent/medium yards in his two prior years. Some of those catches Saturday were really nice. The adjustments on one was crazy good.

Yea, I'd love Tyree in space. I'd let Williams and CBo run the rock the most. Any type of satellite snaps/targets to Tyree would awesome. I really wish AD would have some break out snags from slot, just not sure he's near as dynamic as I thought he might be.
 

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I need to totally eat crow for doubting Skow when we first picked him up. Hope it's more than a one game flash. Watching his highlights from NW, I don't recall seeing the same type of play. I know he was hurt last year, but he had decent/medium yards in his two prior years. Some of those catches Saturday were really nice. The adjustments on one was crazy good.

Yea, I'd love Tyree in space. I'd let Williams and CBo run the rock the most. Any type of satellite snaps/targets to Tyree would awesome. I really wish AD would have some break out snags from slot, just not sure he's near as dynamic as I thought he might be.

Those were the kinds of plays we were hoping for... He had a bunch of high pointing the ball receptions
 

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Those were the kinds of plays we were hoping for... He had a bunch of high pointing the ball receptions

Yea, he's Shark2.0 for me now. He and Mayer seem to be the only guys capable of that so far. And both seem simply tough as hell
 

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To be fair, I was down on Skow coming in. He totally blew me away on Saturday. Not saying he's all world or anything, but he totally stomped on my low expectations. Great ball tracking and fight for contested balls.

He and Meyer are the only guys thus far to look the part. Need to keep riding that train. I think Tyree out of the slot could be killer, or a z-like motion guy, but that's projected hope more than anything.

Bottom line, spread it out, make them defend the whole field. I think we could run some pretty good rubs across the middle with Javon and Tremble too.

I think Avery looks the part. Looks fast'ish with good hands.
 

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I think Avery looks the part. Looks fast'ish with good hands.

IDK. Doesn't seem consistent to me. Pitt was his best game though, so maybe he's ready to emerge. Maybe I'm just gun shy because of all the positions changes the last few years. I mean, QB to RB to CB to NB to WR... That's a lot of shuffle for anyone.
 

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Yea, he's Shark2.0 for me now. He and Mayer seem to be the only guys capable of that so far. And both seem simply tough as hell

Mayer scares me in the way only Jaylon Smith ever has. They make me feel inadequate as a male of our species.
 

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IDK. Doesn't seem consistent to me. Pitt was his best game though, so maybe he's ready to emerge. Maybe I'm just gun shy because of all the positions changes the last few years. I mean, QB to RB to CB to NB to WR... That's a lot of shuffle for anyone.

Yeah we will agree on the last part but I cant think of many drops from Avery. Whereas others like Tremble and Wilkins have dropped a few this season.
 
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