Game of Thrones

[dublinirish]

The scene between Brienne and Arya was excellent. Still think Podrick needs more screen time though haha

 

[Blaise]

Alright guys, help me out...

The dragon got wounded.. but it wasn't fatal and he only landed so D can get off him and pull out the spear?

I have long maintained one of her dragons would die and this would set her off and turn her into the mad queen, burning everything... To point Jon turns her other two dragons against her

 

[woolybug25]

Alright guys, help me out...

The dragon got wounded.. but it wasn't fatal and he only landed so D can get off him and pull out the spear?

I have long maintained one of her dragons would die and this would set her off and turn her into the mad queen, burning everything... To point Jon turns her other two dragons against her

It was just shot in the wing. It's fine but maybe it will still set her off.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Pretty awesome last scene. Plot armour for our favorite characters is getting to be a bit much though. Either Bronn or Jamie should be ash. Feels a cheap to have a situation where Jamie is literally charging Dany and a dragon on horseback like a moron and somehow nothing bad happens to anyone.

What do you mean? Did you not see Jamie sinking in his armor? I'm calling a royal funeral scene at the start of the next episode.

(on a serious note, imagine if THAT is how they knock Jamie off...The fans...oh boy)

 

[Rogue219]

I'm amazed that a show that includes frozen tundra zombies, giants, elves that throw fire grenades, dragons and a man stabbed in the heart coming back to life that people are so bent over logistics and travel.

You can get from Dragonstone to The Reach when writers suspend time. Who cares.

 

[dublinirish]

i liked how the Dothraki chose to ambuch the lannisters in what looks like rural Utah.

 

[johnnycando]

I'm amazed that a show that includes frozen tundra zombies, giants, elves that throw fire grenades, dragons and a man stabbed in the heart coming back to life that people are so bent over logistics and travel.

You can get from Dragonstone to The Reach when writers suspend time. Who cares.

These same critics would have bitched about a 5 episode "filler" traveling to the battle.

Lmfao.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm amazed that a show that includes frozen tundra zombies, giants, elves that throw fire grenades, dragons and a man stabbed in the heart coming back to life that people are so bent over logistics and travel.

You can get from Dragonstone to The Reach when writers suspend time. Who cares.

I agree, but additionally in this case, the battle wasn't in The Reach proper. It happened near at the edge of The Reach off of Rose Road near King's Landing. As Randyll Tarly told Jaime that they had just taken the gold through the gates of King's Landing. So they must be near it. Which means... it is not only possible, but completely rational that the Lannister army would be cut off right before King's Landing if Dany left from Dragonstone.

 

[GATTACA!]

It was just shot in the wing. It's fine but maybe it will still set her off.

Looked more like the shoulder to me. He'll have an MRI, if there's nothing structural they'll just patch him up and he should be back by week 6 or 7. It's a tough loss but thus far Drogon really hasn't had any injury issues.

 

[woolybug25]

Looked more like the shoulder to me. He'll have an MRI, if there's nothing structural they'll just patch him up and he should be back by week 6 or 7. It's a tough loss but thus far Drogon really hasn't had any injury issues.

Maybe collarbone. We won't know anything definitive until the x-rays come back.

Prayer thread.

 

[IrishLion]

My god. When Drogon roared and then came gliding in low over the charging Dothraki... I got a nerd boner.

It was recharged when Drogon was flying low over the water, and the water spray was kicked up. Reminded me of the X-Wings in The Force Awakens.

I don't think Jaime was "sinking" like everyone is nitpicking. I think it was just a visual of him "sinking to the depths" as in "the battle is lost and I'm dreaming in the water." But even if he IS sinking into a deep part of the river, Bronn will just swim down, unclasp his armor, and pull him out. Easy peasy.

Arya is a ruthless murder machine. Bested one of the best swordsmen in all the land with one arm behind her back... This means she will do some badass shit but ultimately die a stupid, unworthy death. Preparing myself now. (My real prediction is that we are made to THINK she is dead at some point in season 8, but the final episode shows us that she was in full Faceless Man mode after her "death," and was really just impersonating someone. Bittersweet happy ending where she lives, but her remaining family don't know it.)

I'm probably putting too much into a nothing moment of acting, but after Bran confirmed to Sansa that Arya really IS killing off her list, it looked like Sansa was trying to hide a "holy shit I have an assassin at my disposal" look. But then when Sansa saw Arya spar Brienne, it became more of "holy shit I can't control her."

Littlefinger pooping his pants now that the Starks are all together and wielding power. He's gonna try to manipulate Sansa against them because of how they've changed, but she's gonna see through it (or Bran will see it).

Dany needs to work on her battle strategy:

1. STRAFE THE LINES. You don't have to send any foot soldiers against an enemy if they aren't expecting/prepared for the dragon. Three passes above and parallel to their lines and their whole army is cooked without a fuss.

2. You can't just dismount and pull the spear out without making sure you have some shields around you, or at least some Dothraki standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Too vulnerable when you AND the dragon are both grounded.


Overall, so good. Got the most HYPE when that battle started. When Drogon flew in and the music started, I was giggling like a little girl.

 

[dublinirish]

i cringed when the dothraki showed up, i have to admit. just the logistics of getting them to the battle site unnoticed is an immersion breaker for me.

The Utah/Nevada scenery and their cavalry charge did remind of an old Spaghetti western though and it was visually amazing

 

[greyhammer90]

These same critics would have bitched about a 5 episode "filler" traveling to the battle.

Lmfao.

Lmfao. You do understand that we're not demanding to actually watch the travel correct? We just want things to make a little bit of sense in terms of timeline. If they jump forward in time to when a huge army would get there to only show the stuff that matters that's fine.

What's annoying is being shown that Euron is in Kings Landing after Dany's navy has long since begun moving towards Casterly Rock. But then they can somehow arrive at the same time. It's cheap because it basically tells the audience "any sense of army placement or military strategy that you are keeping track of in your head is completely worthless." Same thing happened with the Knights of the Vale last season. And even that's ignoring the apparent lack of any scouts in this world to keep up with army movement because everyone is constantly flabergasted when the enemy army arrives over a hill. Even this week did that with the Dothraki. So the Lannister army doesn't have scouts, or don't notice when their scouts stop reporting? Every battle shouldn't be a surprise attack.

If you don't agree that's fine, but don't strawman the criticism just because it doesn't fit with your opinion of the show.

*Back to the show. I also enjoyed the Arya Brienne fight scene. It was fan service, but it was at proper fan service.

 

[greyhammer90]

Dany needs to work on her battle strategy:

1. STRAFE THE LINES. You don't have to send any foot soldiers against an enemy if they aren't expecting/prepared for the dragon. Three passes above and parallel to their lines and their whole army is cooked without a fuss.

2. You can't just dismount and pull the spear out without making sure you have some shields around you, or at least some Dothraki standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Too vulnerable when you AND the dragon are both grounded.

3. When a battle is obviously won, and the other side just narrowly missed killing your most important weapon, land elsewhere and let the Dothraki take it from here.

Added one.

 

[woolybug25]

Added one.

The dragon was falling and had to land. It couldn't just fly somewhere else to land.

That would be.... well.... unrealistic...

 

[IrishLion]

The dragon was falling and had to land. It couldn't just fly somewhere else to land.

That would be.... well.... unrealistic...

I thought they showed him regaining control of his flight before landing, but I guess it doesn't matter because either way the spear needed to come out, and they needed to show Dany making a bad decision from inexperience in battle.

They also needed to show the juicy "Jaime tries for Dany" thing, and also show "Drogon is hurt but still capable of protecting his master."

 

[greyhammer90]

The dragon was falling and had to land. It couldn't just fly somewhere else to land.

That would be.... well.... unrealistic...

I'm talking about before the dragon was hit. Lannister army was routed, Dothraki were making fun of Tyrion's people by saying they sucked at fighting, Bronn then went to the spear gun, then shot but narrowly missed. Dany sees the spear gun and recognizes it as a threat. The director very clearly showed this with a reaction shot centered on Dany after the first spear narrowly missed her.

Now Dany has two choices: (1) Pull back the dragon, let the obvious winning Dothraki kill the guy on the speargun and watch the rest of the battle in safety with her generals; OR (2) Charge the speargun head on via a long dive for no reason and put herself and her dragon in serious danger.

Not saying its unrealistic its totally realistic because Dany's always been stupid. Lion was talking about whether or not she was being smart in the battle. I thought it was dumb when she stuck around despite no incentive and a high risk.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Amazing episode. Honestly don't know what I enjoyed more: Arya/Brienne or Drogon/Lannisters. I literally caught myself smiling with enjoyment while watching Arya, with one hand, go toe to toe with Brienne.

I was annoyed with the short run time. The extra ten minutes could've gone towards a simple update on The Hound. This show is so complex and it's always bothered me when we go weeks without even a mention of a specific character/story line.

So pumped for next week.

 

[IrishLion]

Just realized that last night was probably a sure-fire setup for Dany saying "okay, I need a fellow dragon-rider for real. I'm not a battle commander. I need someone in the air who knows what they're doing."

We KNOW that Dany needs two other dragon riders because of the lore from the books, but last night was probably the narrative reasoning given to viewers.

In some future episode, as they are discussing what they should do next, or how they should attack Cersei's (or Night's King) forces, Dany or Tyrion will be like "remember the needless casualties and danger at the Blackwater Rush? You aren't a tactician, blah blah blah let someone else take to the skies with you if the dragons will have it."

 

[woolybug25]

Just realized that last night was probably a sure-fire setup for Dany saying "okay, I need a fellow dragon-rider for real. I'm not a battle commander. I need someone in the air who knows what they're doing."

We KNOW that Dany needs two other dragon riders because of the lore from the books, but last night was probably the narrative reasoning given to viewers.

In some future episode, as they are discussing what they should do next, or how they should attack Cersei's (or Night's King) forces, Dany or Tyrion will be like "remember the needless casualties and danger at the Blackwater Rush? You aren't a tactician, blah blah blah let someone else take to the skies with you if the dragons will have it."

I think this might be putting the chicken before the egg. I don't think the battle will make Dany want to put someone on the other dragons, I think there will be a scene where the dragon (Rhaegal, after all, its named after Jon's dad) bonds with Jon. Which forces it on Dany. She sees herself as the "mother of dragons", so I can't imagine her voluntarily coming up with the idea of someone else riding her dragons.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Also.

To the people that enjoyed the battle...Did you like it from a

1) wow, dragons/dothraki
2) impressed with the call to attack the Lannisters?

Personally, that whole battle was painful to watch...

1) Why send in the cavalry in first, against spear shielded front when you could roast the line with the dragon? THEN send in the dothraki to clean up the mess.

2) Why is she burning harvested grain that she can put back on her ships?

3) Why does she fly STRAIGHT towards Bronn without a single aerial maneuver? (and why not let the dothraki kill Bronn, like already mentioned)

4) WHY is she not targeting the horses with the high ranking commanders?

Dany deserved a big L after that mess...She is such a joke.

UNLESS

The writers just wanted to show "awesomeness" and "pretty effects" and didn't give two shits about "how" she won.

I'm praying this isn't the case and they wanted to show Dany "winning" but still doing it sloppily.

 

[IrishLion]

I think this might be putting the chicken before the egg. I don't think the battle will make Dany want to put someone on the other dragons, I think there will be a scene where the dragon (Rhaegal, after all, its named after Jon's dad) bonds with Jon. Which forces it on Dany. She sees herself as the "mother of dragons", so I can't imagine her voluntarily coming up with the idea of someone else riding her dragons.

Maybe not Dany herself, but I could see Tyrion (or converted Jaime!) bringing up the topic of "we can be more efficient and safe with our dragons if someone is up there with you that knows how to command."

She'll get all pissed off and pout a little bit, but do the right thing in the end.

Your scenario is more likely, though lol

 

[IrishLion]

Also.

To the people that enjoyed the battle...Did you like it from a

1) wow, dragons/dothraki
2) impressed with the call to attack the Lannisters?

Personally, that whole battle was painful to watch...

1) Why send in the cavalry in first, against spear shielded front when you could roast the line with the dragon? THEN send in the dothraki to clean up the mess.

2) Why is she burning harvested grain that she can put back on her ships?

3) Why does she fly STRAIGHT towards Bronn without a single aerial maneuver? (and why not let the dothraki kill Bronn, like already mentioned)

4) WHY is she not targeting the horses with the high ranking commanders?

Dany deserved a big L after that mess...She is such a joke.

UNLESS

The writers just wanted to show "awesomeness" and "pretty effects" and didn't give two shits about "how" she won.

I'm praying this isn't the case and they wanted to show Dany "winning" but still doing it sloppily.

I think it's all going to be explained as inexperience in battle. She's out there leading a charge, basically, but she's never done that before.

And if you paid close attention, she DID open a lane for the Dothraki with her first pass. They started flooding through the gap and causing chaos behind the Lannister front line, while the other Dothraki attacked the front.

 

[woolybug25]

Also.

To the people that enjoyed the battle...Did you like it from a

1) wow, dragons/dothraki
2) impressed with the call to attack the Lannisters?

Personally, that whole battle was painful to watch...

1) Why send in the cavalry in first, against spear shielded front when you could roast the line with the dragon? THEN send in the dothraki to clean up the mess.

2) Why is she burning harvested grain that she can put back on her ships?

3) Why does she fly STRAIGHT towards Bronn without a single aerial maneuver? (and why not let the dothraki kill Bronn, like already mentioned)

4) WHY is she not targeting the horses with the high ranking commanders?

Dany deserved a big L after that mess...She is such a joke.

UNLESS

The writers just wanted to show "awesomeness" and "pretty effects" and didn't give two shits about "how" she won.

I'm praying this isn't the case and they wanted to show Dany "winning" but still doing it sloppily.

Honest question... why do you even watch this show anymore? Are you one of those gluttons for punishment? You clearly don't enjoy it, so isn't your time worth more than that?

Check out social media, etc. This episode is being lauded by critics as one of the best. But here you are acting like it was the worst thing ever. If I were in your shoes, my time would be worth more than putting myself through it every week. But to each their own I suppose.

 

[dublinirish]

Honest question... why do you even watch this show anymore? Are you one of those gluttons for punishment? You clearly don't enjoy it, so isn't your time worth more than that?

Check out social media, etc. This episode is being lauded by critics as one of the best. But here you are acting like it was the worst thing ever. If I were in your shoes, my time would be worth more than putting myself through it every week. But to each their own I suppose.

because people have invested many hours of their lives in the show and sat through the slow pacing and the "build-up" and now it all seems very rushed in Season 7.

 

[woolybug25]

because people have invested many hours of their lives in the show and sat through the slow pacing and the "build-up" and now it all seems very rushed in Season 7.

He didn't just start crying about the show. Some of these guys have been bitching literally from Season 1. But yet they still follow it and post. It's just bizarre to me. Just because someone has invested a lot of time into watching the show, that doesn't give reasoning to KEEP investing their time in something they dislike. If Irishog is banging a chick and the light comes on and he sees that she's a fatty, he doesn't just keep going... wait... maybe that's a bad example.

Even if I had watched a bunch of the seasons and then it started going downhill. I would just simply throw my hands up and quit watching. I suppose my life isn't so unfulfilled that I would keep watching a show and posting how much I hate it every week. I would just have better things to do with my time, regardless of how many episodes I watched. No reason to keep wasting my time.

[/shrug]

 

[phillyirish]

i liked how the Dothraki chose to ambuch the lannisters in what looks like rural Utah.

Looked much like the Eurasian steppe that the mongols and Huns used so effectively (which the dothrakia are inspired by). Perfect terrain for a cavalry based army.

This was probably the best battle scene in the entire series. Really impressed by the CGI of the dragon, looked real organic.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Honest question... why do you even watch this show anymore? Are you one of those gluttons for punishment? You clearly don't enjoy it, so isn't your time worth more than that?

Check out social media, etc. This episode is being lauded by critics as one of the best. But here you are acting like it was the worst thing ever. If I were in your shoes, my time would be worth more than putting myself through it every week. But to each their own I suppose.

WHEN have I ever complained about this show before? And I loved the episode... I SPECIFICALLY said that battle was painful to watch... And again, if HBO is going to give us a shorter season, I am fine with "speeding the plot up". I am just saying that I am bamboozled with the carelessness of either Dany and/or the directing.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

He didn't just start crying about the show. Some of these guys have been bitching literally from Season 1. But yet they still follow it and post. It's just bizarre to me. Just because someone has invested a lot of time into watching the show, that doesn't give reasoning to KEEP investing their time in something they dislike. If Irishog is banging a chick and the light comes on and he sees that she's a fatty, he doesn't just keep going... wait... maybe that's a bad example.

Even if I had watched a bunch of the seasons and then it started going downhill. I would just simply throw my hands up and quit watching. I suppose my life isn't so unfulfilled that I would keep watching a show and posting how much I hate it every week. I would just have better things to do with my time, regardless of how many episodes I watched. No reason to keep wasting my time.

[/shrug]

Find me one other post where I have EVER criticized this show? I have literally never. I am also new to this thread anyway...lol

 

[phillyirish]

He didn't just start crying about the show. Some of these guys have been bitching literally from Season 1. But yet they still follow it and post. It's just bizarre to me. Just because someone has invested a lot of time into watching the show, that doesn't give reasoning to KEEP investing their time in something they dislike. If Irishog is banging a chick and the light comes on and he sees that she's a fatty, he doesn't just keep going... wait... maybe that's a bad example.

Even if I had watched a bunch of the seasons and then it started going downhill. I would just simply throw my hands up and quit watching. I suppose my life isn't so unfulfilled that I would keep watching a show and posting how much I hate it every week. I would just have better things to do with my time, regardless of how many episodes I watched. No reason to keep wasting my time.

[/shrug]

I disagree. I don't hate the show but I think it's gone considerably down hill once the writers passed book material to base their work on. And after investing significant time reading the books and first 6 season, your damn right I'm going to see this thing out. Your blind fanboy defense of the show is just as pretentious as the excessive nitpicking that you contempt.