Future Playoffs

[Dizzyphil]

I started a new thread - looked back for another one. If the Mods know where it is, merge this one in.


Was listening to Fox Radio yesterday. John Feinstein stated 'talking heads' in an effort to prevent the Power 5 (including ND and BYU) to not create/form an outside football league, a 12 game play-off where 1-4 get a first week by in the first week of December then go from there. The discussion lead to how long that would take but other arguments were made that some games may need to be played Friday Nights as well (ratings I would suppose and cannot compete with NFL on Thursday's, Sunday's and MNF).



The other argument was (based on this year so far), paraphrasing - 'Would your really want to see 'Bama vs BYU????


Feinstein's response was (again paraphrased) media and analyst need to quit playing football games on paper.


Wondering what some you might think on this? It was a really good argument and, the NCAAF is looking into this because this would also start eliminating 'crappy bowl games'.

 

[ACamp1900]

My thoughts on this have been shared over and over,... expanded playoffs are... TRASH.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

 

[Dizzyphil]

My thoughts on this have been shared over and over,... expanded playoffs are... TRASH.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

Well, the argument is/was that we are seeing the same teams over and over and it greatly helps their recruiting.

 

[NorthDakota]

My thoughts on this have been shared over and over,... expanded playoffs are... TRASH.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

Ideally I'd like to see 8 teams. 5 P5 champions. 1 Guaranteed G5. 2 at-large.

Would be helpful to spread some opportunities while still expecting to reward only elite seasons. There would be a few stinkers in there, (see a 8-4 PAC 12 champ) but it would provide some good.

 

[notredomer23]

I somewhat agree with the above. 12 is too many. 4 is not enough. 8 feels right. The only problem is I don’t think winning conference should guarantee it. How often have we seen the Pac-12 not have a team in the top 15? If Oklahoma has a down year there’s unlikely a Big 12 team in the top 10 as well. There would have to be some type of stipulation for winning your conference that you have to be ranked in the top 12 or something around there.

 

[Rack Em]

I’ve argued for a 6 team playoff from the beginning. Give 1-2 a bye and make 3 play 6 and 4 play 5. I think there have been arguments for #5 not getting snubbed (remember when OSU was bumped to number 4 over TCU???), but I don’t think there would have ever been an argument where #7 could honestly be a playoff team. 8 is too many.

 

[dublinirish]

adding more teams to playoff is dumb, 1 seed versus 4 seed is already hugely lobsided. do people really want to see 1 seed Bama versus 8 seed Cincinnati etc?

 

[Dizzyphil]

Ideally I'd like to see 8 teams. 5 P5 champions. 1 Guaranteed G5. 2 at-large.

Would be helpful to spread some opportunities while still expecting to reward only elite seasons. There would be a few stinkers in there, (see a 8-4 PAC 12 champ) but it would provide some good.

I somewhat agree with the above. 12 is too many. 4 is not enough. 8 feels right. The only problem is I don’t think winning conference should guarantee it. How often have we seen the Pac-12 not have a team in the top 15? If Oklahoma has a down year there’s unlikely a Big 12 team in the top 10 as well. There would have to be some type of stipulation for winning your conference that you have to be ranked in the top 12 or something around there.

I’ve argued for a 6 team playoff from the beginning. Give 1-2 a bye and make 3 play 6 and 4 play 5. I think there have been arguments for #5 not getting snubbed (remember when OSU was bumped to number 4 over TCU???), but I don’t think there would have ever been an argument where #7 could honestly be a playoff team. 8 is too many.

Feinstein did say he based his playoff number of teams because there are 130 teams in FBS Division I...

 

[Dizzyphil]

Ideally I'd like to see 8 teams. 5 P5 champions. 1 Guaranteed G5. 2 at-large.

Would be helpful to spread some opportunities while still expecting to reward only elite seasons. There would be a few stinkers in there, (see a 8-4 PAC 12 champ) but it would provide some good.

I somewhat agree with the above. 12 is too many. 4 is not enough. 8 feels right. The only problem is I don’t think winning conference should guarantee it. How often have we seen the Pac-12 not have a team in the top 15? If Oklahoma has a down year there’s unlikely a Big 12 team in the top 10 as well. There would have to be some type of stipulation for winning your conference that you have to be ranked in the top 12 or something around there.

I’ve argued for a 6 team playoff from the beginning. Give 1-2 a bye and make 3 play 6 and 4 play 5. I think there have been arguments for #5 not getting snubbed (remember when OSU was bumped to number 4 over TCU???), but I don’t think there would have ever been an argument where #7 could honestly be a playoff team. 8 is too many.

Feinstein did say he based his playoff number of teams because there are 130 teams in FBS Division I...



40 Bowl Games.....

 

[IHateMarkMay]

adding more teams to playoff is dumb, 1 seed versus 4 seed is already hugely lobsided. do people really want to see 1 seed Bama versus 8 seed Cincinnati etc?

I don't think it's to see Bama vs Cinci, but to shut people up who are complaining that Cinci/UCF/BSU deserve to be in there. Until they are in there, the complains will always be there. If they expand to 6 or 8 and the G5 teams get annihilated, then the complains will subside.

Also, I'd be a fan of 8. 5 Champs, 1 G5, 2 at large.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well, the argument is/was that we are seeing the same teams over and over and it greatly helps their recruiting.

The fix is to scrap the playoffs entirely and go back to a meaningful bowl season,... but I’m aware that battle is lost and I’m just a bitter old man before my time.

 

[Dizzyphil]

ACamp - agreed.


The BCS and Playoff's have totally screwed, IMO - the validity of the bowl games.


While I'm at it on the Bowls, go back to 15-20 Bowl games.

 

[IrishLion]

adding more teams to playoff is dumb, 1 seed versus 4 seed is already hugely lobsided. do people really want to see 1 seed Bama versus 8 seed Cincinnati etc?

 

[dublinirish]

 

[GowerND11]

The fix is to scrap the playoffs entirely and go back to a meaningful bowl season,... but I’m aware that battle is lost and I’m just a bitter old man before my time.

 

[RDU Irish]

6 teams -

- 1 & 2 get byes,
- P5 champs + 1 at large with preference for non-P5 top 10
- Conference champs need to be Top 15 or else their spot goes at large

 

[IHateMarkMay]

6 teams -

- 1 & 2 get byes,
- P5 champs + 1 at large with preference for non-P5 top 10
- Conference champs need to be Top 15 or else their spot goes at large

What does this do to Independents?

 

[BobbyMac]

Which system do I get the most total games?

That one.

 

[House16]

What does this do to Independents?

Hurts them (us) big time. Both this option, and the eight team (5 P5 champs, 1 G5, 2 at-large) pretty much destroy the ND model. If every team has a clear path to the playoff, except for ND, which needs to hope to be one of the two best non-champs every year, it seriously jeopardizes the validity of being an independent. We could be sitting at #6 but if 1, 4, and 5 are all in the SEC we are out.

We'd pretty much have to join the ACC or (best case scenario) get a deal like we did with the BCS bowls where if we are top 8 (top 10 if we negotiate well) we are in automatically.

 

[RDU Irish]

What does this do to Independents?

Preference for that 6th spot and likely room for another when Pac12 and Big12 put up an 8-4 turd.

 

[dublinirish]

CFB peaked at the 2007 Fiesta Bowl - Boise State versus Oklahoma, my mind won't never be changed

 

[BobbyMac]

CFB peaked at the 2007 Fiesta Bowl - Boise State versus Oklahoma, my mind won't never be changed

That was the repeak. It peaked a year earlier at the Rose Bowl.

Fiesta Bowl has produced some great games since I've been here:

2003 Ohio State over Miami in double OT was hard to beat too if not for two pukeworthy teams.

Undefeated Boise's 2010 victory over undefeated TCU was great.

2011 Auburn over Oregon National Championship game

OK State's OT win over Stanford in 2012

What hasn't been great are the 3 eggs ND has laid here.

Went to all of them except OSU/Miami. Chose to go to go riding in the dunes instead.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Hurts them (us) big time. Both this option, and the eight team (5 P5 champs, 1 G5, 2 at-large) pretty much destroy the ND model. If every team has a clear path to the playoff, except for ND, which needs to hope to be one of the two best non-champs every year, it seriously jeopardizes the validity of being an independent. We could be sitting at #6 but if 1, 4, and 5 are all in the SEC we are out.

We'd pretty much have to join the ACC or (best case scenario) get a deal like we did with the BCS bowls where if we are top 8 (top 10 if we negotiate well) we are in automatically.

Preference for that 6th spot and likely room for another when Pac12 and Big12 put up an 8-4 turd.

I don't see how this hurts the Irish.... I believe it helps. SOS is one of the strongest points of the committee now. The Irish do not play an easy schedule. Of course, that will depend on the strength of how the teams they play or their ending record(s) reflect from the year before and Pre-Season rankings.


Not to mention, the Irish will/do not play FCS teams - much like others, sometimes twice in a season.

 

[NDRock]

I somewhat agree with the above. 12 is too many. 4 is not enough. 8 feels right. The only problem is I don’t think winning conference should guarantee it. How often have we seen the Pac-12 not have a team in the top 15? If Oklahoma has a down year there’s unlikely a Big 12 team in the top 10 as well. There would have to be some type of stipulation for winning your conference that you have to be ranked in the top 12 or something around there.

Last time the Pac-12 had a conference champion finish the season outside the top 12 was 1999, with Stanford*. People think this type of thing happens often, it doesn't.

*That was the Stanford team coached by Ty.

 

[GATTACA!]

There was nothing wrong with the BCS other than limiting it to two finalists. There was zero reason to replace it with the vague, biased, secretive selection committee. The BCS model should be used to select the top four.

If they're dead set on expanding it has to be 8 teams. A bye week in a 6 team tournament is too big of an advantage in a sport like football.

I do not like the idea of automatic bids. It incentivizes weak OOC scheduling, and opens the door to really poor teams making the playoffs from time to time. If they want to do auto bids it should be P5 only, and there should be requirements. You must have 9 P5 wins, you must be top 10, otherwise your conferences spot becomes an at large bid.

 

[Dizzyphil]

There was nothing wrong with the BCS other than limiting it to two finalists. There was zero reason to replace it with the vague, biased, secretive selection committee. The BCS model should be used to select the top four.

If they're dead set on expanding it has to be 8 teams. A bye week in a 6 team tournament is too big of an advantage in a sport like football.

I do not like the idea of automatic bids. It incentivizes weak OOC scheduling, and opens the door to really poor teams making the playoffs from time to time. If they want to do auto bids it should be P5 only, and there should be requirements. You must have 9 P5 wins, you must be top 10, otherwise your conferences spot becomes an at large bid.

Hence the reason Feinstein was stating the 10 team play-off... he was stating the P5 is currently working/in talks on leaving the FBS to form their own league.... they would vote to include ND and BYU.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Here is the latest info I found -


https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...o-form-own-division-within-ncaa-survey-shows/

 

[GowerND11]

Here's a simple fix to a lot of issues, though not all of them. Stop allowing the play of FCS teams. They caved to Bobby "They all good boyz" Bowden when he bitched that it was unfair that a win over an FCS team won't count in the BCS if you played one of them more than 1 in 4 years. Take that rule back, and while schedules might not dramatically get harder, I'd rather see Alabama have to play App State than the Citadel.

Also, the Computers did it right, and objectively. The reason they ended up broke, was because, again bitching by some of the "top HCs" that SOS and such shouldn't be included. It stripped the computers of what made them accurate.