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Wow, I am anything but a British legal scholar, but the shenanigans they have going on across the pond comes across like banana republic stuff. People should read up on how other countries select their chief executive before they complain too loudly about the electoral college.
 

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Wow, I am anything but a British legal scholar, but the shenanigans they have going on across the pond comes across like banana republic stuff. People should read up on how other countries select their chief executive before they complain too loudly about the electoral college.

I'm admittingly ignorant on the dynamics of British parliament. Can you explain why, or better yet how, Teresa May is "asking the Queen for permission to form a new government"?
 

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I'm admittingly ignorant on the dynamics of British parliament. Can you explain why, or better yet how, Teresa May is "asking the Queen for permission to form a new government"?
That's just what they call it. It would be like saying Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General in a "new government" from Loretta Lynch.
 

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That's just what they call it. It would be like saying Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General in a "new government" from Loretta Lynch.

I get that. I mean why are they getting permission from the Queen?
 

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I get that. I mean why are they getting permission from the Queen?
Because in 500 years our friends in the British Empire haven't bothered to write down any coherent constitution. The entire notion of a "prime minister" is more or less entirely made up. Technically, the position is appointed by the monarch.

From Wikipedia:

The office is not established by any constitution or law but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons.
 

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Because in 500 years our friends in the British Empire haven't bothered to write down any coherent constitution. The entire notion of a "prime minister" is more or less entirely made up. Technically, the position is appointed by the monarch.

From Wikipedia:

The office is not established by any constitution or law but exists only by long-established convention, which stipulates that the monarch must appoint as Prime Minister the person most likely to command the confidence of the House of Commons.

Well hells bells... ya learn something new every day. At risk of sounding like an idiot, I honestly assumed that they had a constitution and that the Monarch was a literal figure head with zero power. Without a constitution, it's really still a monarchy that is simply allowing democracy to take place in their country. Quite interesting. I'm gonna read up on this.
 

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Well hells bells... ya learn something new every day. At risk of sounding like an idiot, I honestly assumed that they had a constitution and that the Monarch was a literal figure head with zero power. Without a constitution, it's really still a monarchy that is simply allowing democracy to take place in their country. Quite interesting. I'm gonna read up on this.

This is basically true. It's more symbolic than anything.
 

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This is basically true. It's more symbolic than anything.

From the conversation I had, and Wiz correct me if I'm wrong, this is not the case.

The Queen signs off on all legislature (royal assent), the Royal Guard reports directly to her, she has to sign off on any declaration of war, and she has the right to dissolve parliament. The last being the craziest. If she doesn't like the people in charge of parliament. She can call for new elections at any point and as often as she wants until she gets the result she wants.

That doesn't seem like "more symbolic than anything" to me.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Lord Buckethead" and "Elmo" took votes away from the current Prime Minister of the UK <a href="https://t.co/FEjvhKxIy4">pic.twitter.com/FEjvhKxIy4</a></p>— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) <a href="https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/873003487809994752">June 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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From the conversation I had, and Wiz correct me if I'm wrong, this is not the case.

The Queen signs off on all legislature (royal assent), the Royal Guard reports directly to her, she has to sign off on any declaration of war, and she has the right to dissolve parliament. The last being the craziest. If she doesn't like the people in charge of parliament. She can call for new elections at any point and as often as she wants until she gets the result she wants.

That doesn't seem like "more symbolic than anything" to me.

Maybe formality is a better word than symbolic?

Like Wiz said, the Queen could make waves but they basically follow the will of the people. I suppose that could change.

I studied in England about a decade ago and met with several government officials and MPs. Like you, most of us were a bit blown away by the crown so we asked them a lot of questions about their role. They explained it as basically having no power and symbolic. That may be a bit of an oversimplification, though.
 

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From the conversation I had, and Wiz correct me if I'm wrong, this is not the case.

The Queen signs off on all legislature (royal assent), the Royal Guard reports directly to her, she has to sign off on any declaration of war, and she has the right to dissolve parliament. The last being the craziest. If she doesn't like the people in charge of parliament. She can call for new elections at any point and as often as she wants until she gets the result she wants.

That doesn't seem like "more symbolic than anything" to me.

Imagine if the Queen herself called for a new election after last night's shitshow? Would the Brits love it?
 

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From the conversation I had, and Wiz correct me if I'm wrong, this is not the case.

The Queen signs . . . has the right to dissolve parliament. . . . If she doesn't like the people in charge of parliament. She can call for new elections at any point and as often as she wants until she gets the result she wants.

That doesn't seem like "more symbolic than anything" to me.

It's not a matter of her preference or liking-- it's an emergency power meant to protect the Kingdom from something terrible. In other words, its more like a last resort veto to keep a Nazi party out of power, than authority to say these people are too liberal or these are too conservative. The authority does not keep her involved in the decision making of the Kingdom.

The Queen never actually dissolves active, duly-elected Parliaments, and she exerts no control or influence over the political process through this power. She'd spark a constitutional crisis and find herself working for a living like everyone else if she did.
 
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Imagine if the Queen herself called for a new election after last night's shitshow? Would the Brits love it?

Sometimes I think a Monarch would serve my interests better than a democratic republic.

I'm going to throw up now.
 

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It's not a matter of her preference or liking-- it's an emergency power meant to protect the Kingdom from something terrible. In other words, its more like a last resort veto to keep a Nazi party out of power, than authority to say these people are too liberal or these are too conservative. The authority does not keep her involved in the decision making of the Kingdom.

The Queen never actually dissolves active, duly-elected Parliaments, and she exerts no control or influence over the political process through this power. She'd spark a constitutional crisis and find herself working for a living like everyone else if she did.

Well good thing the military literally reports to her per their Bill of Rights then, no?

I hear you and you're right. But the reality is that the Royal Family allows their country's democracy. Which was unknown to me until this morning. I knew the history behind the change of power from the monarchy to democracy, but I always assumed that it was all encompassing. Which by all means, it is not.
 

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Well good thing the military literally reports to her per their Bill of Rights then, no?

I hear you and you're right. But the reality is that the Royal Family allows their country's democracy. Which was unknown to me until this morning. I knew the history behind the change of power from the monarchy to democracy, but I always assumed that it was all encompassing. Which by all means, it is not.

If only we had a queen with those powers here in the States, right Wooly :)
 

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No, Wooly just wants someone to dissolve Trump lol

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Trump’s Trade Pullout Roils Rural America (Politico)
After the U.S. withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, other nations launch 27 separate negotiations to undercut U.S. exporters

EAGLE GROVE, Iowa—On a cloud-swept landscape dotted with grain elevators, a meat producer called Prestage Farms is building a 700,000-square-foot processing plant. The gleaming new factory is both the great hope of Wright County, which voted by a 2-1 margin for Donald Trump, and the victim of one of Trump’s first policy moves, his decision to pull out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

For much of industrial America, the TPP was a suspect deal, the successor to the North American Free Trade Agreement, which some argue led to a massive offshoring of U.S. jobs to Mexico. But for the already struggling agricultural sector, the sprawling 12-nation TPP, covering 40 percent of the world’s economy, was a lifeline. It was a chance to erase punishing tariffs that restricted the United States—the onetime “breadbasket of the world”—from selling its meats, grains and dairy products to massive importers of foodstuffs such as Japan and Vietnam.

The decision to pull out of the trade deal has become a double hit on places like Eagle Grove. The promised bump of $10 billion in agricultural output over 15 years, based on estimates by the U.S. International Trade Commission, won’t materialize. But Trump’s decision to withdraw from the pact also cleared the way for rival exporters such as Australia, New Zealand and the European Union to negotiate even lower tariffs with importing nations, creating potentially greater competitive advantages over U.S. exports.
 

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The Atlantic's Barry R. Posen just published an article titled "It's Time to Make Afghanistan Someone Else's Problem":

The Trump administration, as well as its critics, are reportedly wrestling with the question of a new strategy for the war in Afghanistan, where the government has shown no signs of being able to turn the tide in the 16-year war against the Taliban. General John Nicholson, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, with support from Secretary of Defense James Mattis and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, has asked for more troops, apparently in service of a strategy that, for the moment, seeks simply to “not lose.” President Trump has granted this request in principle, but these reinforcements have not yet been dispatched, because the president's advisors seem to believe that he is not committed to stay the course. Instead, a strategic review is underway. Meanwhile, Senator John McCain has offered his own strategy for Afghanistan, which appears to be the “old” strategy, with the admixture of a commitment to stay forever and provide the commanders with a blank check for forces and money to do so.

But these approaches, which will reportedly be discussed at a meeting at Camp David on Friday, misunderstand the dilemma. For America, the perhaps-counterintuitive answer in Afghanistan may be that only by reducing its presence, or withdrawing completely, can it advance the full range of its strategic interests.

When the United States overthrew the Taliban regime in 2001, it was the most capable state in the world—sufficiently powerful to deter the ambitious and reassure the fearful. These days, geo-political rivalry is back, as new powers have risen and old ones have recovered some of their vigor. Without prejudging whatever new grand strategy the Trump administration has in mind for this new landscape, the United States is clearly in competition—sometimes globally and sometimes only regionally—with Russia, China, and Iran. In most of the world, America’s policies for the last 20 years have driven these competitors toward each other or solved security problems for them that they would otherwise be forced to solve for themselves.

For the United States, the value of skilled statecraft lies in the ability to tie competing nation-states up in knots by engaging their national-security interests in ways that benefit America. When America intervenes to manage a civil war, other powers can throw darts at the Americans from the sidelines; when it is absent, those on the sidelines have to solve the problem for themselves, and will often disagree about the solution.

From a strategic perspective, then, a dramatic reduction of the U.S. presence in Afghanistan—or even a complete drawdown—would likely realign regional behavior in ways that would drive current U.S. adversaries apart, force them to deal with difficult local problems, and encourage other regional powers to seek better ties with Washington. From an American perspective, it is a win-win.

A U.S. drawdown would almost certainly reorient Iran’s approach to its neighbor to the east. Many Americans don’t know that the fundamentalist Sunni-Taliban government of Afghanistan and the orthodox Shia government of Iran came to the brink of war in 1998. The Taliban repressed Afghan Shiites, many of whom live in the western part of the country, near the Iranian border. At the same time, Iran provided arms and financial assistance to the "northern alliance" of Afghan Tajiks and Uzbeks, who never surrendered to the Taliban government. The Taliban, in turn, received strong backing from Pakistan. Within Pakistan, sectarian attacks on Shia were and remain quite common.

All of these factional tensions persist to this day. As many have observed, a Sunni-Shia civil war remains interwoven with conflicts across the greater Middle East. Were the United States to significantly reduce its support to the current government of Afghanistan, Iran would likely find it in its own interest to cease its reported flirtations with the Taliban and lend support to the Afghan government, or to broker a settlement between the two. Iran is interested in building a new “silk road” trading route that runs from Central Asia to the Persian Gulf, which could best flourish in a peaceful Afghanistan. Moreover, Iran would probably find it reasonable to station more military forces on its eastern border to deter Taliban misbehavior. Overall, an increase in Taliban influence is ultimately a threat to Iran's security, and would place a new constraint on Iran's adventurism elsewhere in the region, where it typically seeks gains at the expense of U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, who inevitably come to Washington demanding assistance to shore up their positions.

If the United States left Afghanistan, Russia, effectively an ally of Iran in the Syrian civil war, would also find it reasonable to assist the Afghan government in its fight against the Taliban. Russia intervened in Syria for many reasons, but fear of a jihadi victory there was central. A Taliban victory in Afghanistan would be as problematic for Russian security because Islamist groups from the Caucasus—hostile to the Russian government—could then find sanctuary there, as they have in the past. Like Iran, Russia once aided the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. Thus, it would also be in Russia's interest to support the Afghan government and oppose the Taliban. While the United States insists that Russia is providing aid to the Taliban—perhaps an instance of Vladimir Putin succumbing to the temptation to discomfit America—when the Taliban is pointed at Russian forces, they will be forced to change their behavior.

To Afghanistan’s east is Pakistan, which has also long been deeply involved with the Afghan Taliban. Although Islamabad denies it, it offers sanctuary for the leaders of the Taliban, as well as the space to train and plan its operations. Because Iran and Russia would oppose a hypothetical Taliban victory and subvert a Taliban regime if it reassumed control of Afghanistan, Pakistan would end up at odds with both nations. Pakistan also has close relations with China. Thus, Russia and China could end up on opposite sides in the next phase of Afghanistan's riven politics. Close Russian and Chinese relations have been a problem for the United States, as each typically confronts the United States in regions where the other has few interests or little capability. Each profits from the diversion of U.S. capacity and attention provided by the other. Rivalry between the two in Afghanistan would throw some sand in these gears.

Finally, India has long dabbled in Afghan politics, though probably not to the extent that Pakistan claims. India also aided the Northern Alliance, and has provided some assistance to the Afghan government. It also has burgeoning trade and transportation links to Iran. Pakistani leaders feel threatened by India and by any Indian role in Afghanistan. A U.S. withdrawal would likely draw India deeper into Afghanistan; intensified Indian-Pakistani competition in Afghanistan would deepen the emerging rivalry between India and China, driving India closer to the United States.

Afghanistan, then, is a good place to create problems for America’s adversaries. And the best way to do that is to get out. Those who instead advocate a dramatic increase in the U.S. commitment to Afghanistan would say that the best way to fight terrorists is to remain on the offensive. The problem with that argument is, of course, that America has been on the offense for nearly 16 years in Afghanistan and elsewhere and victory remains elusive. Terrorist groups motivated by a particularly toxic interpretation of Islam remain strong, and in fact have emerged in new places. Nothing about this strategy, by the way, need prohibit U.S. raids on known terrorist hideouts in Afghanistan.

Some may also argue that Washington cannot afford to undermine its prestige by leaving Afghanistan in the lurch. Given the lives, money, and time that it has poured into building a stable Afghanistan, it is Afghans who have let the U.S. down, pouring more resources into a losing effort won’t enhance confidence in U.S. judgment or its staying power.

Finally, others yet may assert that the United States has an ethical debt to all those progressive Afghans who fought alongside the coalition. They either have not fought hard enough, or they could not win enough domestic support to win. That said, those Afghans who cooperated with America at great personal risk, and who find themselves at some future point in need of an exit option, should be placed high on the list for U.S. immigrant visas, should that time come.

When the Cold War ended, the national security establishment quickly came to believe that the happy accident of overwhelming relative U.S. power and the apparent decline of geo-politics would last forever. Instead, U.S. hegemony is under pressure. Some would say America must now shore up that hegemony, that the Afghan policy outlined here is simply too ruthless, or that exacerbating great and middle power conflicts is, in the end, too dangerous for global stability. Fine words. But the overall stock of U.S. hard and soft power assets is simply not sufficient to manage the world. Thus, the United States must play a tougher international game.

In particular, the U.S. should stop solving security problems for those states that are eager to create problems for us. And if getting out of Afghanistan creates a few headaches for them, so much the better.
 

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Foreign Policy's Alexander Thurston just published an article titled "America Should Beware a Chadian Military Scorned":

For reasons that remain unclear, U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration included the Central African nation of Chad in the latest iteration of its infamous travel ban, which also targets citizens from Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. The move came as a shock to most observers, not least because Chad, in the White House’s own words, is an “important and valuable counterterrorism partner” in a region threatened by al Qaeda, the Islamic State, and Boko Haram. Now Washington may learn, in the least pleasant fashion possible, just how important and valuable Chad has been.

In the wake of the new travel ban announcement on Sept. 24, Chad has withdrawn hundreds of troops from neighboring Niger, where up to 2,000 of its soldiers were part of a coalition battling Boko Haram. The Chadian government has not yet offered an official explanation for the pullout, but Communications Minister Madeleine Alingué condemned Chad’s inclusion on the travel ban, saying that it “seriously undermines” the “good relations between the two countries, notably in the fight against terrorism.”

Despite its relative poverty, Chad plays an outsized role in African security and politics. Its troops are considered some of the most capable in the region, and its president, Idriss Déby, has won considerable influence with the African Union, France, and, until recently at least, the United States by deploying them to clean up others’ messes. In addition to leading the fight against Boko Haram, Chad’s military is busy countering al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and other jihadis in the Sahel, a volatile region that includes parts of Mali and Niger.

The groundwork for the country’s current security partnership with Washington was laid in northern Mali in 2013, when Chadian soldiers fought alongside French forces in some of the harshest terrain and deadliest battles as they sought to roll back jihadis who had dug in there. When less than two years later Boko Haram began seizing huge swaths of territory in northeastern Nigeria, Washington looked to Chad as part of a regional response because it didn’t believe Nigeria could handle the threat on its own. Chad and Niger, which also has a budding security partnership with the United States, mounted an armed intervention in early 2015 that pushed Boko Haram out of numerous towns and broke up the group’s Islamic emirate. Later, Chad took on a leading role in the Multinational Joint Task Force, a larger military coalition that included troops from four other nations, hosting its new headquarters as well as a coordination cell partly staffed by Western experts advising the campaign against Boko Haram.

Chad has also continued to play an important role in Mali, where the United States is a significant contributor to the United Nations peacekeeping mission and aides French counterterrorism efforts with financial, logistical, and intelligence support. It is a former Chadian minister, Mahamat Saleh Annadif, who leads the U.N. mission in Mali, and Chad has signed on to another regional effort — the so-called “Sahel G5” force that also includes forces from Mauritania, Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger — that is tasked with improving security in the troubled Mali-Niger-Burkina Faso border region. The G5 force was a brainchild of the French, and the Trump administration has been skeptical of the effort because of the projected cost but initially gave it some rhetorical support.

But while Chad has burnished its image abroad by participating in military operations, it has struggled with mounting unrest and economic hardship at home. An authoritarian leader who seized power in 1990, Déby finds himself increasingly threatened by student and labor union unrest as persistently low oil prices and mounting security expenditures have at times left his government unable to pay workers. As his position has grown more tenuous, Déby has been blunt with his Western partners: Give more money, or Chad will scale back its regional security commitments. France and others have heeded Déby’s threats. In June, the International Monetary Fund approved over $300 million in extra loans for Chad. In September, a donor roundtable in Paris generated nearly $20 billion in pledges designed to support Chad’s 2017-2021 national development plan.

But instead of rewarding Chad as other donors have, the Trump administration has punished it. Experts are still baffled by the decision to include the country on the latest travel ban, which was partially blocked by a federal judge on Tuesday, hours before it was set to go into effect.Experts are still baffled by the decision to include the country on the latest travel ban, which was partially blocked by a federal judge on Tuesday, hours before it was set to go into effect. The administration said it was because “several terrorist groups are active within Chad or in the surrounding region” and the government has failed to “adequately share public-safety and terrorism-related information.” Yet on the first count, at least — terrorist groups active within its borders — Chad is better off than many of its neighbors. One possible explanation for this discrepancy, which would be preposterous in any administration except this one, is that the architects of the ban, having repeatedly heard the phrases “Boko Haram” and “Lake Chad” in the same sentence, assumed that Chad must be the epicenter of Boko Haram. (Lake Chad in fact lies on the border of Chad and three other countries, and Boko Haram is mostly confined to northern Nigeria, northern Cameroon, and southeastern Niger.)

Regardless of the rationale for including Chad in the ban, the decision was a mistake. The partial withdrawal of Chadian soldiers from places like southeastern Niger, an area that has been heavily targeted by Boko Haram in recent years, could result in swift and serious consequences. Initial reports indicate that the security situation there has already begun to deteriorate in the vacuum left by departing Chadian forces: Boko Haram attacks have escalated since the withdrawal, and so has banditry, a chronic regional problem. A security vacuum will also have political and humanitarian consequences, imperiling tentative deradicalization and amnesty efforts by Niger’s government and making it more difficult to get vital assistance to millions of displaced people in the Lake Chad region.

A more significant Chadian pullback would likely embolden Boko Haram, which already seems to be getting some of its mojo back. This year has seen an uptick not just in suicide bombings, but also in audacious and successful attacks on Nigerian military convoys and bases. If Chadian authorities take even more dramatic steps to halt their cooperation with the United States and other regional militaries involved in the fight against Boko Haram, the Multinational Joint Task Force itself could be partly dismantled, as could the coordination cell in Chad’s capital, developments that would impede the entire regional effort to counter the terrorist group.

There are good reasons why the United States should consider reducing its dependence on Chad, Déby’s autocratic rule being one of them, but the travel ban does not appear to be part of a considered rebalancing of U.S. security relationships in the region. The confusion and anger engendered by Chad’s inclusion, moreover, seem unlikely to lead to reform. Of course, the last word about the travel ban has not been said, as Tuesday’s court ruling suggests. Déby is a tough and skilled negotiator who has faced down savvier interlocutors than Trump — including the World Bank and ExxonMobil — and has come away each time with at least part of what he wanted. The Chadian president is likely betting that with his forces withdrawn from Niger, the Trump administration will quickly come to appreciate his country’s security contributions and remove it from the list. The danger for Déby, Washington, and especially for the region, however, is that the administration’s characteristic disorganization and stubbornness may delay a course correction until after serious harm has occurred.

Africa will be increasingly important to American interests as we move through the 21st century, and Chad is one of our only local partners that has both the will and the competence to fight Islamism. Hopefully the Trump administration rolls back this baffling self-inflicted injury.
 
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