Fear The Walking Dead....
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Like a zombie-killing Avengers
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The show is refreshing in some ways. None of the characters are zombie-killing machines at this point, they have no idea the shit they're about to get into. They don't even really know they have to kill them with blows/shots to the head. Some things are a little too predictable, like the kid sitting in the pool and saying he was cold turkey and doing fine...sure. Should be interesting to see where this whole military angle goes, since a lot of people figured the military would have been able to quell this thing early. What happened to the military, did they all get overrun? Not likely. My bet is they retreat to a bunker or something which is why they aren't seen in Rick's timeline.
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I think the military guys could very well be some sort of rogue group not actually affiliated with the U.S. military despite whatever insignia they have. Not sure what the motivation would be.
There are only a couple of episodes left. I expect them to move pretty quickly because we don't have enough substance to get us excited about a second season.
There are only a couple of episodes left. I expect them to move pretty quickly because we don't have enough substance to get us excited about a second season.
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Looking back at season 1 of the original show, they crammed a lot of stuff into the same 6 episodes. We had Rick escape the hospital, meet up with Morgan, gets to Atlanta where he meets the group and they narrowly escape, reunites with his family, goes back to Atlanta, returns to the group just as a big walker attack happens, heads to the CDC where we get some exposure to the virus and a short calm before a tense escape to end the season. During that span we were introduced to a ton of characters, and a lot of shaky relationships between Lori, Shane, and Rick as well as a temperamental Merl and the brother that loves him despite his flaws, and a mentally unstable Jim. There's a lot more there, like the wife-beating husband, Ed, but you get the point.
It felt like they crammed a lot into those 6 episodes of the original show. There were a lot of different settings, lots of unique characters, I'm not sure there's been as much action in this new series. It seems like we've spent a majority of the time at Madison's house/neighborhood, which is your typical suburban California setting aside from, well, the zombie apocalypse. There's a weird dynamic between Travis, Madison, and his ex-wife, but it's not nearly as compelling as the Shane situation. I'm not sure how I feel about the Nick character still, he's just a drug addict at this point and I'm assuming he's going to find redemption or something later and emerge a survivor. The other characters aren't really worth writing home about, although I do like the Mr. Salazar guy, he's a badass, probably used to be part of a gang or ex-cartel.
I still enjoy the show, despite the characters being a bit bland in some cases and the setting being mostly unchanging. It's refreshing to see a bunch of naive people try to understand what's going on around them, unaware of the shit they're about to get into and not even certain how to survive or kill a walker. In the original show Rick's crew are all zombie experts, so they're hacking and slashing left and right till one of them does something stupid like Tyreese and gets killed to appease the audience.
It felt like they crammed a lot into those 6 episodes of the original show. There were a lot of different settings, lots of unique characters, I'm not sure there's been as much action in this new series. It seems like we've spent a majority of the time at Madison's house/neighborhood, which is your typical suburban California setting aside from, well, the zombie apocalypse. There's a weird dynamic between Travis, Madison, and his ex-wife, but it's not nearly as compelling as the Shane situation. I'm not sure how I feel about the Nick character still, he's just a drug addict at this point and I'm assuming he's going to find redemption or something later and emerge a survivor. The other characters aren't really worth writing home about, although I do like the Mr. Salazar guy, he's a badass, probably used to be part of a gang or ex-cartel.
I still enjoy the show, despite the characters being a bit bland in some cases and the setting being mostly unchanging. It's refreshing to see a bunch of naive people try to understand what's going on around them, unaware of the shit they're about to get into and not even certain how to survive or kill a walker. In the original show Rick's crew are all zombie experts, so they're hacking and slashing left and right till one of them does something stupid like Tyreese and gets killed to appease the audience.
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{Some spoilers below, be warned}
Disappointing start to this show, imo. Feels like something is missing. I keep wanting to compare it to the first season of it's big brother show. I thought for a bit maaaybe there was going to be a love triangle with Travis, Madison, and Eliza, but that's obviously off the table now. I thought Ophelia might be dead after that shot from the soldier Andy, but it looks like she's fine and going to pull through no problem by the end of the episode...that could have setup a very pissed off and dangerous Mr. Salazar (Although he may still be after the loss of his wife and the fact Travis nearly cost him his daughter by letting Andy go at first). We had no many changes in scenery in the first season of the walking dead, and it felt like almost every week of Fear the Walking Dead we were stuck in Madison's house aside from maybe last night's episode.
I'm sure people like to see characters that progress and evolve over a show's lifetime, and I'm sure that's what Travis and Madison will do, but right now they're pretty damn boring. Ruben Blades as Daniel Salazar is definitely a bad ass and has been my favorite character so far, although Strand is pretty cool and has me intrigued. "The only way to survive in a mad world, is to embrace the madness." Don't really care about the rest of the cast, they've been kind of "meh" so far.
I'll keep watching the show for now I'm sure, simply because I'm a sucker for the zombie genre. My hopes aren't too high as of yet though. I don't think they came out of the gate strongly with this one.
Disappointing start to this show, imo. Feels like something is missing. I keep wanting to compare it to the first season of it's big brother show. I thought for a bit maaaybe there was going to be a love triangle with Travis, Madison, and Eliza, but that's obviously off the table now. I thought Ophelia might be dead after that shot from the soldier Andy, but it looks like she's fine and going to pull through no problem by the end of the episode...that could have setup a very pissed off and dangerous Mr. Salazar (Although he may still be after the loss of his wife and the fact Travis nearly cost him his daughter by letting Andy go at first). We had no many changes in scenery in the first season of the walking dead, and it felt like almost every week of Fear the Walking Dead we were stuck in Madison's house aside from maybe last night's episode.
I'm sure people like to see characters that progress and evolve over a show's lifetime, and I'm sure that's what Travis and Madison will do, but right now they're pretty damn boring. Ruben Blades as Daniel Salazar is definitely a bad ass and has been my favorite character so far, although Strand is pretty cool and has me intrigued. "The only way to survive in a mad world, is to embrace the madness." Don't really care about the rest of the cast, they've been kind of "meh" so far.
I'll keep watching the show for now I'm sure, simply because I'm a sucker for the zombie genre. My hopes aren't too high as of yet though. I don't think they came out of the gate strongly with this one.
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Last episode was great
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I will say the mega horde was pretty sweet. I like how casual Salazar was, like it was no big deal.
"Hey guys, nice night."
"You're not supposed to be here! Leave now or we'll shoot."
"You may wanna save your bullets...." Casually points back at the mega horde following him, keeps walking. Peace out, military!
My biggest gripe with the season was for a zombie show there wasn't really a lot of zombie action in the first season. We saw a lot of zed action in the first season of the other show. In this one most of the conflict and tension seems to be between the survivors and the military. For a small rabble of military at that base I would have expected a lot more walkers in the streets of LA, no way they would have cleared those streets.
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I agree that they probably could have showed more of how the infection spread quickly. I would have liked to have seen a scene of the gymnasium they locked everyone into and how everything went to shit. We basically saw the riots and then just this little gated community.
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Im thinking next season will be them on the boat with everything going good until water,food or gas runs out
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Exactly, I would have liked to see the pandemonium at the gymnasium rather than hear about it second hand. Look at Season one of the original show, they were constantly on the move, almost constant peril, lots of different settings and locations. Almost every week they were in a different place. The only break they really had was at the CDC when everyone felt safe and secure...until they found out shit was about to explode.
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I like how Chris Hardwick opened Talking Dead acknowledging how "passionate" tWD fans were about the ending last week. Hopefully AMC realized they goofed a bit there.
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How did they goof up?
While I enjoyed the nod to every fans response to the zombie apocolypse (get on a boat into open water) I am just not getting a good vibe. I know its one episode so as usual I will wait until the end of the season to feel it out.
Hardwicks assertion that the bombing was driving the dead to the coast was kind of dumb considering they are drawn to noise and light. I didn't understand how it went from daylight to night fall with bombs raining down, Strand's house is on the coast not in the city.
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I didn't personally have any issues with the end of the episode, although the episode itself was kind of boring and repetitious until that end. There was quite a backlash by many fans regarding the ending. There were already a number of drawn out cliffhangers this season, one of which was the Glenn dumpster story arc. They needlessly dragged that conclusion out for several episodes, some say for ratings and to retain viewers. People are saying the same tactic is being used regarding Negan's victim. The show writers are sticking by their ending, saying where they stopped the episode was the natural end to one story, and the identity of the victim is going to start a new one...but the fact that they've had to discuss it several times since the episode aired kind of points to there being a negative public outcry.
The fact Chris Hardwick made it a point to start Talking Dead referencing it, even with the show focusing on FtWD, confirms there's been a lot of discussion about the controversial ending. He spent over 30 minutes last week after Talking Dead trying to justify the ending to a lot of pissed off fans on Facebook. I didn't realize there was a difference, but people are calling the whole thing a "stunt" as oppose to a true cliffhanger. Again, all the above is just what I've read online from other boards and in news articles regarding the backlash. I was going to watch the show next season regardless, I'm eager for the Negan stuff to get started.
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Well shit a lot of people are talking about the Sopranos ending still. Its not like this was the end of the show. I think people need to relax a bit
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I think it goes beyond that a bit in this circumstance. I think the writers are abusing the cliffhanger endings to try and keep viewership up. The Glenn dumpster story is just one example that's been thrown out. Season 6 saw viewer numbers decline, after they had steadily rose since Season 3 (And really increasing every year since the show began). From what I've seen a lot of people are getting fed up with the "bad writing" and they're abandoning ship. There's inconsistencies with plot devices and even "zombie rules" (They can run, then they can't. They're flimsy enough you can tear into flesh and muscle with your bare hands, but strong enough to be a match with humans in a grapple). The characters consistently flip flop for various reasons: Rick is weak, Rick becomes a strong survivor, Rick has a mental breakdown, Rick is tough again, Rick is crazy again. Carol is weak, Carol becomes badass, Carol becomes more badass, Carol is weak again. Morgan is a survivor but can't kill his walker wife, Morgan becomes crazy survivor, Morgan won't kill ever again, Morgan kills. Etc. It's one thing for a character to progress and evolve, but it seems characters in tWD often evolve, then de-evolve, then evolve again in a crazy kind of circle. More than anything a lot of the criticisms seem to come when the writers decide to stray from the comic formula and make up their own stories. They often defy logic making viewers question "Who would even DO that in a zombie apocalypse?"
Those are just some of the criticisms I've seen in other boards and in articles. I find personally that I don't give a shit about the writing or the cliffhangers. I just seem to enjoy zombie stuff, I'm going to watch regardless. I honestly don't watch much TV these days, so when I commit to a show I'm in it for the long haul...even if it's shitty like the end of Heroes.
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As far as I am concerned I think you have creative license with how characters are. Whos really to say how ones mental state would be in that world.
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Yeah that will be cool.
This episode was flawed but good. Any theories as to who Brand was talking to on the phone?
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No idea but he was clearly miffed at the idea that San Diego was gone.
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Thats the opposite for me. I really liked TWD for about 2 or 3 seasons. FTWD has been pretty solid to me throughout. Travis is annoying but he isn't anywhere near Carl on the D-bag loser scale.
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Nick started out being one of the worst characters on the show for me but now he growing into one of the strongest. The 2 daughters are cool too
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