Fab 5 Documentary

[NDinMich]

Anybody watching this tonight? Anybody care enough? Sounds kind of intersting to me, I just hope J Rose didn't slant it too much in the direction of UM.

ESPN 'Fab Five' documentary: Jalen Rose, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson chat with Page 2. - ESPN

 

[no.1IrishFan]

TIME OUT!!!

 

[BGIF]

Best Team money did by.

Better than the pros that played for Wooden.

 

[Irish Insanity]

^this.

 

[irish4ever]

Anybody watching this tonight? Anybody care enough? Sounds kind of intersting to me, I just hope J Rose didn't slant it too much in the direction of UM.

ESPN 'Fab Five' documentary: Jalen Rose, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson chat with Page 2. - ESPN

I would have to get paid to watch that crap!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Sad as it may seem to some, this is the team that first made NCAA basketball relevant to me. I was around 12 at the time and a ND football fan too. As I grew up I realized living in Michigan, even in 2 different sports, you couldn't root for ND and Michigan. So I made the wise decision to back the best college in the world, our Notre Dame.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm watching it right now. Quite interesting.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

People need to give these kids breaks, they weren't thugs.

They were misguided and and poorly supervised.

They were young and immature.

 

[ACamp1900]

I like watching them choke big games out... no matter how much time passes... I don't like Bill Walton much, but when he called them a major let down and extremely over rated.... right on right on

 

[Irish Insanity]

I am watching too. The fact that some were childhood friends and they fit so well together on the court being so young was what attracted me when I was younger. Thats just not something you see in NCAA basketball.

 

[irishtrain]

I would have to get paid to watch that crap!

What a bad deal on college athletics-you tell me those guys were student athletes. Paid to watch is right-I still remember Webber's foul mouth and thinking at the time what the heck is going on here. Those guys never belonged in college in the first place. Did any of them graduate? Hope so.

 

[NDinMich]

I would have to get paid to watch that crap!

You missed a pretty interesting show then and I'm am NOT a UM fan.

What I forgot of until now was that Perry Watson was the Detroit Southwestern HC when Rose was there, Rose goes to UM, Watson gets a job as a UM assistant. Red flag anyone??? To his credit, Watson was an outstanding HC. After leaving UM, he went on to become the HC at Univ of Detroit and did a real good job there but come on, I hope that was investigated too.

 

[GreatGolson]

much like "The U" this documentary just adds fuel to those who support the student athlete compensation movement. it shows boys from tough situations put into a position where millions of dollars are being made because of them, but they are not seeing a dime.

 

[IrishLax]

The funniest thing in the whole documentary? Juwan Howard and others could be seen decked out in Miami gear at multiple points. This was eye opening to me in two ways:

1. Michigan really was "The U" of basketball. Bunch of guys who have no interest in an education and just want to play ball. Epitomizes all that is wrong with "college" athletics at some places.
2. The fact that they would be repping a school that I'm sure Michigan football fans detested shows just how little they cared about the school and should not have been there. Reminds me of the Reggie Push era football players at USC who complained incessantly about not getting paid in college while the school profited off of them.

 

[ACamp1900]

much like "The U" this documentary just adds fuel to those who support the student athlete compensation movement. it shows boys from tough situations put into a position where millions of dollars are being made because of them, but they are not seeing a dime.

frankly I'm sick of hearing this... everyone drowning in student loans payments raise your hand.... (everyone "who didn't see a dime" playing college sports smiles while the rest of us raise our hand)

these atheletes get a free education at schools with alumni bases that set them up for life without having to pay a cent back... give me a break about "not seeing a dime." Forget the fact that a lot of these kids don't even go to class... I would have loved to have been "exploited" in such a way.

 

[dshans]

frankly I'm sick of hearing this... everyone drowning in student loans payments raise your hand.... (everyone "who didn't see a dime" playing college sports smiles while the rest of us raise our hand)

these atheletes get a free education at schools with alumni bases that set them up for life without having to pay a cent back... give me a break about "not seeing a dime." Forget the fact that a lot of these kids don't even go to class... I would have loved to have been "exploited" in such a way.

Agree, AGREE, AGREE!

Had I pursued, and been granted some scholarship monies as a swimmer (as unlikely as it might have been), it would have thrilled my father. He was paying the bills and would have damn well have dropped a heavier hammer on me than he did.

In my day the only swimming facility at ND was the pool at "The Rock." Its design and construction would be a good research facility for the effects of tsunamis.

Scholarships are granted for the academics, even when weighted toward athletics. Each and every time the "system" is "played," be it by the institution or the individual, the whole is demeaned.

I only want that student athletes be both – with the emphasis placed in that order.

 

[Rocket89]

I thought the documentary was great.

On the surface, it did seem similar to "The U" but I thought there were some big differences, most of which all of the UM players are well spoken and thoughtful, whereas the Miami players to this day still act like they are 18 years old.

You can't deny that this was a very intriguing story. Sure the players got money, but how much? Everyone in that story claimed that they were not living like kings (again compare that to the Miami players "living it up" on South Beach...) and that they were pretty normal dudes.

I thought it was very tragic story really. I know most ND fans loved to see them lose and all that, but I can't really hate on those players too much after watching this documentary. Sure there were some aspects about them that turn you off, but for the most part I thought they were great team basketball players who only really wanted to win.

It's not like they didn't care about UM basketball or winning in college. A lot of people will try to prove that they symbolized what's wrong with college ball, but if you watched this you realized they CARED about winning and they were devastated after losing. How many players have we seen that go to college for one year and seemingly don't care about winning?

I don't know, they are just a group that are hard to hate from my perspective. If they weren't so talented as freshmen right out of the gate, were they really any different than college kids both back then and today? It was made abundantly clear in the documentary that they were not being paid, and if they were, it was pocket change. Again, that's a little off putting but it really makes them no different than the vast majority of D-1 basketball players. They were never angels, but I certainly don't think they deserved the entire bad rap they got, or their image as being thugs. I think it's way off base.

 

[mick2]

i was watching this, and i watched "the u" and the "pony excess"

and they all have one thing in common, they have the games they played against Notre Dame in all three of those documentaries and all three times it was like a pivotal point in the season for that team.

the u documentary played up the drubbing they gave us, but didnt have quite the enthusiasm when they talked about the 88 game.

in pony excess they showed ND kicking their *** and really sending them into the cellar of college football.

and last nite the fab 5 thing, where they all started for the first time was against ND.

its like they put extra emphasis on when these teams went to play ND.

ND has made a cameo appearance in each of these documentaries, maybe more, i only watched those ones, and none except pony excess all the way thru. just thought it was interesting.

when are we going to have our 30 for 30? scratch that i dont want a 30 for 30, the hacks at espn would probably focus on one of the 2 tragedies that happened this past year.

 

[IrishLax]

Was anyone else impressed with the candor and intelligence of Jalen Rose? I really respected him for everything from telling the truth to investigators to sticking up for the man that supported the poor Detroit kids and saying he was a good guy over Chris Webber to how he acknowledged Duke as a superior opponent even though he disliked them. Just a very mature person. Also, him wearing 42 to spite his no-show NBA father and his reflections on Grant Hill I found very intriguing.

 

[Rocket89]

I really like Jalen Rose. He shined in the documentary and he's a great NBA analyst.

 

[Veer option]

I enjoyed it very much.

I forgot how great of a game the UM vs UNC was.

 

[ACamp1900]

Was anyone else impressed with the candor and intelligence of Jalen Rose? I really respected him for everything from telling the truth to investigators to sticking up for the man that supported the poor Detroit kids and saying he was a good guy over Chris Webber to how he acknowledged Duke as a superior opponent even though he disliked them. Just a very mature person. Also, him wearing 42 to spite his no-show NBA father and his reflections on Grant Hill I found very intriguing.

speaking cadidly about things gets respect for sure... I liked him when he played for the Pacers... I thought what he had to say about Weber's testimony was interesting for sure... though hating on Grant HIll for having a nice family and hating everything Duke stands for screamed thug to me... but that is what they were so I guess it fits... I will say this, he's man enough to admit he was just jealous of them all and let it go... maybe that's because he's rich now also, but either way that takes a man.

 

[InKellyITrust]

Was anyone else impressed with the candor and intelligence of Jalen Rose? I really respected him for everything from telling the truth to investigators to sticking up for the man that supported the poor Detroit kids and saying he was a good guy over Chris Webber to how he acknowledged Duke as a superior opponent even though he disliked them. Just a very mature person. Also, him wearing 42 to spite his no-show NBA father and his reflections on Grant Hill I found very intriguing.

I wasn't a Jalen Rose fan and I'm still not, but I do respect and appreciate his perspective. After learning about the backgrounds of these players, I didn't have much in common with these guys besides the fact that I was a teenager at one point too. With all of that being said, Rose said some really intriguing things that really got me thinking and trying to understand what it was like for them to be icons at such a young age. The 2 things that really stood out to me were Rose's preconceived notions about Grant Hill and Christian Laettner. Based on the footage that was available, it's amazing to see the character growth from Rose back then to see the man that he is today. Obviously, I don't know the guy but he comes off as an intelligent analyst on ESPN.

 

[tadman95]

I thought it was a good show, had forgotten how good those guys were. I agree about Jalen Rose, have to give him props for standing up and disagreeing with Weber.

 

[ACamp1900]

I enjoyed it very much.

I forgot how great of a game the UM vs UNC was.

I loved both of those title games... watching them get CRUSHED by Duke the year before was great too... I hated Michigan even as a pre-teen, which was how old I was when all that went down... Still say that Duke team was the greatest cbb team I've ever seen.

 

[Ben E.]

jalen rose calling black duke athletes "uncle toms" was pretty innapropriate, so because they got decent grades and knew who their fathers are they are "uncle toms"...

i dont understand that mentality.

 

[e34croak]

frankly I'm sick of hearing this... everyone drowning in student loans payments raise your hand.... (everyone "who didn't see a dime" playing college sports smiles while the rest of us raise our hand)

these atheletes get a free education at schools with alumni bases that set them up for life without having to pay a cent back... give me a break about "not seeing a dime." Forget the fact that a lot of these kids don't even go to class... I would have loved to have been "exploited" in such a way.

I agree with you 100%. I had tons of Oregon Duck football players "in my classes" they were there the first day of class and the last day of class.. especially Masoli haha
Missed this documentary. Looking forward to seeing it

 

[InKellyITrust]

Just heard Bobby Hurley interviewed on the Dan Patrick Show for his opinions on the documentary. He said "There was a lot of bitterness which I could somewhat understand because we were 3-0 against them. Also, he said Jalen Rose wouldn't have seen the floor if he went to Duke."

 

[NDinMich]

jalen rose calling black duke athletes "uncle toms" was pretty innapropriate, so because they got decent grades and knew who their fathers are they are "uncle toms"...

i dont understand that mentality.

Couldn't agree more. I've thought for years that a black man calling another black man an "Uncle Tom" is such a low blow and prejudice, but I'm a white dude...I guess I can't fault Rose for feeling the way he did though, at least he manned up and admitted it almost 20 years after the fact. They didn't talk about it too much but Webber going to Detroit Country Day from Detroit Southwestern was a huge deal at the time and I think I recall Webber being called the UT word too. DCD is a very prestigous private school in the suburbs and going from the DPL to that is like going from DI to DIII competitively.

Rose was completely right about the atmosphere in Detroit Public League B-ball though, it's a war and those schools' facilities (athletic and academic) are downright pitiful. There are metal detectors at most schools and probably pat-downs for the fans before games too.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just heard Bobby Hurley interviewed on the Dan Patrick Show for his opinions on the documentary. He said "There was a lot of bitterness which I could somewhat understand because we were 3-0 against them. Also, he said Jalen Rose wouldn't have seen the floor if he went to Duke."

Cmon now who had a better NBA career. At least Rose was honest. (I know Hurley was in a life altering car accident, but I hate Bobby Hurley always have)