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[Rogue219]

I'm all for having a certain time limit after the whistle at the end of each half if a play happens within a few seconds of the final whistle. Give VAR time to review (say 60 seconds), keep the teams on the field. Once results come back, finish up. This can really only happen with penalty kicks and cards though. You can have a foul in the middle of the field but once the ball is in play, the game would be over. It's like having .01 seconds left in basketball. You can make a free-throw because it's untimed, but you wouldn't be able to get the ball in play and do anything.

I think everybody (in the world) is on the same page and just wants the same rules to be followed week in and week out for every team.

United get a PK every week and broke a record last year for most PK awarded in a season. Liverpool had TWO at home to open the season against Leeds, and prior to that I don't think they'd had two at home in three years. SPURS had more PKs at Anfield than Liverpool did under Klopp.

Last season, VAR went for Brighton +8 and Man United +7. The next closest was Palace at +4. Liverpool was a +2. Norwich was -8 and they went down.

England is starting to smell a lot like Italy when it comes to some of these decisions, and that isn't a compliment. I find it interesting as to what is seen and unseen each week, and for whom. I guess I'll take +2 in a title winning season, but it certainly gets worse the further down the line you go (City was even, for example).

The man in question is David Coote and he's been at the center of too many obvious situations that he's gotten WRONG via VAR.

We was the Lo Celso guy with Spurs vs Chelsea: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/amp/news...-wrong-after-spurs/1kyyasz1zupjs1fvqvmo2ej17a

He was the official who judged Divock Origi fairly challenged in the build-up to Manchester United scoring at Old Trafford last season and also turned down a penalty that would have gone for Liverpool against Burnley in July.

Sensing a pattern with this guy. Maybe it's time he goes down to the Championship or League One.

 

[Rogue219]

https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.c...ake-pickford-challenge-var-error-coote-oliver

Excellent take.

 

[Rogue219]

So today, Coote is referee and Oliver is on VAR. They just disallowed a goal for Wolves vs Leeds.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

United get a PK every week and broke a record last year for most PK awarded in a season. Liverpool had TWO at home to open the season against Leeds, and prior to that I don't think they'd had two at home in three years. SPURS had more PKs at Anfield than Liverpool did under Klopp.

Last season, VAR went for Brighton +8 and Man United +7. The next closest was Palace at +4. Liverpool was a +2. Norwich was -8 and they went down.

England is starting to smell a lot like Italy when it comes to some of these decisions, and that isn't a compliment. I find it interesting as to what is seen and unseen each week, and for whom. I guess I'll take +2 in a title winning season, but it certainly gets worse the further down the line you go (City was even, for example).

The man in question is David Coote and he's been at the center of too many obvious situations that he's gotten WRONG via VAR.

We was the Lo Celso guy with Spurs vs Chelsea: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/amp/news...-wrong-after-spurs/1kyyasz1zupjs1fvqvmo2ej17a

He was the official who judged Divock Origi fairly challenged in the build-up to Manchester United scoring at Old Trafford last season and also turned down a penalty that would have gone for Liverpool against Burnley in July.

Sensing a pattern with this guy. Maybe it's time he goes down to the Championship or League One.

What does VAR going for a team mean? Does it mean that team benefited (really, not being an asshole, just trying to get my thoughts straight)? I know I'm a United fan, but I don't care how many VAR decisions give PKs to any team as long as it's the right call. I don't catch a ton of games, but most of the VAR PKs to United last year seemed like they were correct.

Offsides was the right call, but not reviewing Pickford is a disgrace.

I think, for the sake of English football, they start being more transparent because nobody wants to imitate Italian football.

Also, agreed on demoting refs if VAR is showing they are just making wrong calls. They should be held to a higher standard than they are and some governing body should be reviewing their games during the week to see how they are doing.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Matip is unavailable for CL game already...lol


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No Matip or Thiago in training at Melwood today. Fabinho set to start at CB alongside Gomez v Ajax. <br>Centre-backs Nat Phillips and Rhys Williams set to travel as part of the squad. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LFC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LFC</a></p>— James Pearce (@JamesPearceLFC) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1318535618167775235?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[CTIDANDREW]

https://news.sky.com/story/top-engl...alks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175

American owners of Liverpool and United trying to ruin the greatest sports league in the world. Very sad if this goes through, going to ruin domestic leagues all over Europe.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Jeez, first they get denied the big picture project thing dropping the Premier to 18 teams, now they move to this?

 

[ThePiombino]

https://news.sky.com/story/top-engl...alks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175

American owners of Liverpool and United trying to ruin the greatest sports league in the world. Very sad if this goes through, going to ruin domestic leagues all over Europe.

Jeez, first they get denied the big picture project thing dropping the Premier to 18 teams, now they move to this?

Honest question - why would this be a bad thing?

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[CTIDANDREW]

Honest question - why would this be a bad thing?

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1. Same teams playing same teams every year. (I.E. Never seeing teams like Everton or Wolves make the champions league top 4.) It may seem great for the first few years, but it will get very old eventually. To my understanding, it will be the same teams every year. For example, Liverpool could finish 10th in the EPL for three straight years, but still be in this league every season.

2. Domestic Leagues would become second fiddle. Reportedly, this league could be close to 30 games a season. Liverpool, United, PSG, Barca, they would all prioritize this league over games against lesser domestic opponents and therefore really making the domestic league trophy less important which in my opinion is not good for the sport at all.

3. It will only greatly increase the difference between the haves and the have nots in European football. Obviously, if you are fan of one of the teams within this league you may not care much, but for the overall health of the sport in Europe that is terrible.

 

[ThePiombino]

1. Same teams playing same teams every year. (I.E. Never seeing teams like Everton or Wolves make the champions league top 4.) It may seem great for the first few years, but it will get very old eventually.



2. Domestic Leagues would become second fiddle. Reportedly, this league could be close to 30 games a season. Liverpool, United, PSG, Barca, they would all prioritize this league over games against lesser domestic opponents and therefore really making the domestic league trophy less important which in my opinion is not good for the sport at all.



3. It will only greatly increase the difference between the haves and the have nots in European football. Obviously, if you are fan of one of the teams within this league you may not care much, but for the overall health of the sport in Europe that is terrible.

I see. Makes sense, thanks!

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[Old Man Mike]

We Americans have a woeful lack of awareness and appreciation for tradition and its value to culture. We (in that) really are "Ugly Americans." Thank God we can't really homogenize the planet into some gigantic "pragmatic" machine.

 

[Rogue219]

What does VAR going for a team mean? Does it mean that team benefited (really, not being an asshole, just trying to get my thoughts straight)? I know I'm a United fan, but I don't care how many VAR decisions give PKs to any team as long as it's the right call. I don't catch a ton of games, but most of the VAR PKs to United last year seemed like they were correct.

Offsides was the right call, but not reviewing Pickford is a disgrace.

I think, for the sake of English football, they start being more transparent because nobody wants to imitate Italian football.

Also, agreed on demoting refs if VAR is showing they are just making wrong calls. They should be held to a higher standard than they are and some governing body should be reviewing their games during the week to see how they are doing.

The officiating is abysmal, so if you're getting more decisions that go in your favor than those that do not, you're doing well. Brighton barely stayed up last season and had the best +/- on VAR. Norwich went down, they had the worst.

The officiating in England seems to continue to be worse each week. It is one thing to cost a team points in the standings, but now you have cunty Everton injuring people. It sets a really bad precedent that this goof David Coote didn't know he could send Pickford off because Van Dijk was offsides. Keepers are going to feel they have even more license to fly around and do stuff like this knowing they already get quite a bit of protection as it is.

Coote has been relegated to fourth official this weekend. For me, still not enough.

 

[Rogue219]

https://news.sky.com/story/top-engl...alks-to-join-european-premier-league-12109175

American owners of Liverpool and United trying to ruin the greatest sports league in the world. Very sad if this goes through, going to ruin domestic leagues all over Europe.

This is pretty awful. Shitty motives.

 

[Rocket89]

1. Same teams playing same teams every year. (I.E. Never seeing teams like Everton or Wolves make the champions league top 4.) It may seem great for the first few years, but it will get very old eventually. To my understanding, it will be the same teams every year. For example, Liverpool could finish 10th in the EPL for three straight years, but still be in this league every season.

2. Domestic Leagues would become second fiddle. Reportedly, this league could be close to 30 games a season. Liverpool, United, PSG, Barca, they would all prioritize this league over games against lesser domestic opponents and therefore really making the domestic league trophy less important which in my opinion is not good for the sport at all.

3. It will only greatly increase the difference between the haves and the have nots in European football. Obviously, if you are fan of one of the teams within this league you may not care much, but for the overall health of the sport in Europe that is terrible.

I agree, it seems fun at first and might be for a couple years. But it's a blatant money grab that would ruin European football.

Logistically, I don't see how clubs can manage a new 30-game league in combination with their domestic leagues. Are English clubs going to push towards 80 games per season? Seems reckless and impossible. Domestic cups would be punted immediately, too.

Let's say Spurs play the EPL on the weekends and this new Euro Premier League during the week. You'd get fixtures like this for the whole year:

2-MONTH SNAPSHOT

Leicester (England)
PSG (Europe)
Wolves (England)
Bayern Munich (Europe)
Brighton (England)
Chelsea (Europe)
Man United (England)
Barcelona (Europe)
West Ham (England)
Inter Milan (Europe)
Man City (England)
Arsenal (Europe)
Bournemouth (England)
Dortmund (Europe)
Everton (England)
Real Madrid (Europe)

This is way too intense. Set aside all the contractual stuff they need to work through with UEFA and I can't see this happening in this format.

MAYBE, something similar to the UCL where there's a group roundup followed by knockout stages, or try something else creative where they'd play 12 to 15 games max the whole year.

The relegation vs. not decision will be intense. You can envision a scenario where most of the mega-clubs would have a down year, finish 8th domestically, and just get battered in this European league only to make it harder to rebuild quickly the following year. I have to think at present every fan of clubs outside of top 5 should be really concerned they'd be putting their team in a never-ending grind where you're considered mediocre in your top competition while adding risk to your domestic league.

 

[NorthDakota]

This is pretty awful. Shitty motives.

It ain't gonna happen. That'd be a disaster.

 

[nsisk157]

https://twitter.com/BenTheTim/status/1315678764504883200?s=20

Bang on. This kid nails it on every level. I fear for the passion of the game if these prospective moves gain traction.

"..to take the piss off of United but in fairness, Old Trafford is a f---- library." Had me rolling.

But then i look at my own club, White Hart Lane was class and a fortress our last season there. Now, we have the most corporate stadium to date. Haven't made a match there just yet, but WHL top.

 

[notredomer23]

https://twitter.com/BenTheTim/status/1315678764504883200?s=20

Bang on. I fear for the passion of the game if these prospective moves gain tractions

What language was that?

 

[Rogue219]

It ain't gonna happen. That'd be a disaster.

Rich guys trying to get richer. No fans want this.

 

[nsisk157]

What language was that?

lol scouse

 

[Rogue219]

United awarded a PK vs PSG. Fernandes from the spot. 1-0 United. LOL. This is some run they're on with PKs.

Lazio up 2-0 on Dortmund.

For me, not a great start.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Actually, Nevas saved the first Bruno PK. However, he was off of his line so they called it and he made the re-kick. haha

If you look at the foul on Martial, it is a pretty clear foul. Diallo gets no ball and all leg.

 

[Rogue219]

Actually, Nevas saved the first Bruno PK. However, he was off of his line so they called it and he made the re-kick. haha

If you look at the foul on Martial, it is a pretty clear foul. Diallo gets no ball and all leg.

7 matches all comps so far this year, they have been awarded a PK in five of them. This goes back to being awarded the most PK in a Premier League season ever this past season.

Evidently the oppostion fills with fear whenever these guys get into the area. It's remarkable. Whatsmore, the referees don't seem to miss a beat either.

Hey, use it.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I'd complain if they aren't clear fouls in the area. I don't know how Martial does it, but he draws so many fouls in there.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

United awarded a PK vs PSG. Fernandes from the spot. 1-0 United. LOL. This is some run they're on with PKs.

Lazio up 2-0 on Dortmund.

For me, not a great start.

This was really the only reason they went on that run to end the season last year. They had a crazy number of penalties given after January.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

In other news, just saw Dortmund getting beat at half to Lazio 0-2.

 

[Rogue219]

MUFC have had at least one penalty in 11 of their last 17 games. For LFC, that figure is 89 games (they had two in one game v Leeds). For Everton, the number is 115 games.

This is absurd.

I am trying to find out what it is for Man City.

There is a pool of 15 referees and four of them were born in Manchester. FFS.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Dest got a full 90 in for Barca at left back for the CL game. He looks ok. Still trying to get to know his team but seems to be playing well. He is amazing in tight areas.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

MUFC have had at least one penalty in 11 of their last 17 games. For LFC, that figure is 89 games (they had two in one game v Leeds). For Everton, the number is 115 games.

This is absurd.

I am trying to find out what it is for Man City.

There is a pool of 15 referees and four of them were born in Manchester. FFS.

They were awarded 22 penalties in all comps last year.

 

[Rogue219]

They were awarded 22 penalties in all comps last year.

They set a Premier League record.

I mean, props to them for being clever in the area, but that's a lot of PKs and they were second only to Brighton in having VAR decisions go their way at +7. They just made the Top Four.

Liverpool getting two in one game at home vs Leeds was stunning.

Salah got nuked in the box against Villa a few weeks ago and nothing. They were still in the match at the time.

Inconsistent and getting worse each week, League wide. Not a good situation for the FA.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

They set a Premier League record.

I mean, props to them for being clever in the area, but that's a lot of PKs and they were second only to Brighton in having VAR decisions go their way at +7. They just made the Top Four.

Liverpool getting two in one game at home vs Leeds was stunning.

Salah got nuked in the box against Villa a few weeks ago and nothing. They were still in the match at the time.

Inconsistent and getting worse each week, League wide. Not a good situation for the FA.

I understand that they were +7 on VAR, but how many of those shouldn't have gone their way? As long as the correct call is made in the end, isn't that what matters?