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[Rogue219]

International Breaks are garbage. Very glad this one is over with.

CR7 tested positive for Covid, as did Liverpool's Naby Keita. Really would be better if they didn't have International Break at all right now, but so it goes.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/10/13/Jill Ellis on short list to head up DC United

 

[GowerND11]

International Breaks are garbage. Very glad this one is over with.

CR7 tested positive for Covid, as did Liverpool's Naby Keita. Really would be better if they didn't have International Break at all right now, but so it goes.

Yeah, there is no need for the break right now with COVID, especially with almost all of these games being glorified friendlies.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAAjk8sJDCc&feature=share

Sergino’s debut. Looks good. Really good vision. He played LB and was 11-11 passing and created a chance for Messi. Almost had an assist. Played the last 15 in a 1-1 draw with Sevilla

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.espn.com/soccer/napoli/story/4200534/juventus-vs-napoli-off-as-visitors-fail-to-show-for-game-due-to-coronavirus-quarantine
Wow

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Interesting why they wouldn't just postpone it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

McKennie tested positive for covid

 

[notredomer23]

McKennie tested positive for covid

As did CR7 which indicates there was likely an outbreak on Juventus too. Really hope Serie A rethinks their decision because I have a feeling a lot of teams are going to have outbreaks after this international break.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

As did CR7 which indicates there was likely an outbreak on Juventus too. Really hope Serie A rethinks their decision because I have a feeling a lot of teams are going to have outbreaks after this international break.

There is another player and a couple coaches as well.

 

[fightingirish26]

As did CR7 which indicates there was likely an outbreak on Juventus too. Really hope Serie A rethinks their decision because I have a feeling a lot of teams are going to have outbreaks after this international break.

Possibly, Ronaldo tested positive while with Portugal while I don't think McKennie has left the Juve camp. Ronaldo could have obviously gotten it while with Juve, but it's not definite.

 

[notredomer23]

VVD tore his ACL. Crushing blow for him and Liverpool.

 

[NDRock]

VVD tore his ACL. Crushing blow for him and Liverpool.

This is going to be a wild, wide open season.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I can’t believe that wasn’t a red. Disgusting. And the offsides call. Ridiculous.

 

[Rogue219]

I guess I need to have the rules of the game explained to me again. I thought I knew them half way decent. Guess not.

Pickford is lucky he's English and lucky this didn't happen against Manchester United. I'll leave it at that.

Felt like a loss for one club and a win for another. Forever in the shadow because of that mentality, and rightfully so. Their best side in years and it still took a goal being called back via VAR for them to draw.

Wouldn't write off Liverpool just yet, though the fan base on Twitter seems to have abandoned all hope for the season, which makes zero sense to me, but whatever. I feel totally confused most of the time anyway because very little seems to make sense or matter anymore.

I have been disappointed after defeats, but I have never been angry after a draw like this one.

 

[NDRock]

I guess I need to have the rules of the game explained to me again. I thought I knew them half way decent. Guess not.

Pickford is lucky he's English and lucky this didn't happen against Manchester United. I'll leave it at that.

Felt like a loss for one club and a win for another. Forever in the shadow because of that mentality, and rightfully so. Their best side in years and it still took a goal being called back via VAR for them to draw.

Wouldn't write off Liverpool just yet, though the fan base on Twitter seems to have abandoned all hope for the season, which makes zero sense to me, but whatever. I feel totally confused most of the time anyway because very little seems to make sense or matter anymore.

I have been disappointed after defeats, but I have never been angry after a draw like this one.

The PL seems like such a grind. I figured there was no way Liverpool was going to be as dominant this year. Almost impossible after what it took the last couple of years. Same thing happened to City last year after the back to back titles. Doesn't mean Liverpool won't repeat this year, just think no team is going to sniff 100 points.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Yeah, it seems like anytime I think I know the rules to VAR, something happens and I don't. I don't even think they know the rules. Because Pickford's... attempt? (should've been a straight red) came after offsides, it's nullified? Does that mean if Pickford just came up and punched a player in the face after an offsides, nothing would have happened either? Makes no sense.

 

[notredomer23]

Yeah, it seems like anytime I think I know the rules to VAR, something happens and I don't. I don't even think they know the rules. Because Pickford's... attempt? (should've been a straight red) came after offsides, it's nullified? Does that mean if Pickford just came up and punched a player in the face after an offsides, nothing would have happened either? Makes no sense.

MLS had VAR right with extreme transparency during the Orlando bubble where you got the exact view the refs used and could hear the refs. Similar to the XFL with reviews. MLS wanted to keep doing that, but apparently the EPL and other European leagues objected big time so MLS stopped. Blows my mind that they are going to continue allowing VAR to wrongfully dictate games when it should be such a simple, useful tool.

 

[Rogue219]

The PL seems like such a grind. I figured there was no way Liverpool was going to be as dominant this year. Almost impossible after what it took the last couple of years. Same thing happened to City last year after the back to back titles. Doesn't mean Liverpool won't repeat this year, just think no team is going to sniff 100 points.

Didn't care about 100 points and don't care about it now. A title is a title, especially after waiting 30 years.

They can't play as high of a line now. Maybe they go back to beating everyone 4-3 like in the Pre Van Dijk Era. No idea.

They still have class players all over the pitch without Van Dijk. I don't think they will make excuses, nor should they. Far different that Spurs and Leicester last year dealing with their injuries.

Klopp does win a title this year without Van Dijk, I think that speaks even more volumes about his ability as a manager.

 

[Rogue219]

Yeah, it seems like anytime I think I know the rules to VAR, something happens and I don't. I don't even think they know the rules. Because Pickford's... attempt? (should've been a straight red) came after offsides, it's nullified? Does that mean if Pickford just came up and punched a player in the face after an offsides, nothing would have happened either? Makes no sense.

Manchester United was awarded a PK after the final whistle blew.

Evidently if you are offsides, however, you're an open target and can be scissor kicked by a goalie as he snaps your leg in half.

Stuffy people, these Brits.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Manchester United was awarded a PK after the final whistle blew.

Evidently if you are offsides, however, you're an open target and can be scissor kicked by a goalie as he snaps your leg in half.

Stuffy people, these Brits.

Exactly, there doesn't seem to be any set rules for VAR. I can argue United deserved the penalty because it was a clear handball in the box, just like I can argue Pickford almost ended Van Dijk's knee and should have been a card.

It just seems like the VAR argument is going on every week and there are always issues every week. Just be clear and consistent.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I guess I need to have the rules of the game explained to me again. I thought I knew them half way decent. Guess not.

Pickford is lucky he's English and lucky this didn't happen against Manchester United. I'll leave it at that.

Felt like a loss for one club and a win for another. Forever in the shadow because of that mentality, and rightfully so. Their best side in years and it still took a goal being called back via VAR for them to draw.

Wouldn't write off Liverpool just yet, though the fan base on Twitter seems to have abandoned all hope for the season, which makes zero sense to me, but whatever. I feel totally confused most of the time anyway because very little seems to make sense or matter anymore.

I have been disappointed after defeats, but I have never been angry after a draw like this one.

The PL seems like such a grind. I figured there was no way Liverpool was going to be as dominant this year. Almost impossible after what it took the last couple of years. Same thing happened to City last year after the back to back titles. Doesn't mean Liverpool won't repeat this year, just think no team is going to sniff 100 points.

Yeah, its a grind, and count me as one of the ones who less than hopeful. Right now 1st choice center backs are Gomez and Matip. Gomez checks out too often for my liking and Matip is always injured and never fully healthy. That leave Fabihno and some u23 kids.

Zero chance Matip makes it the whole season uninjured.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I think that the commentators ultimately said that the VAR guys just blew it --- looking at the offsides alone, thinking they solved an issue, and had a braincramp about looking at the bloody red Pickford attack.

Prior to losing VVD, I had total confidence in Liverpool this season to grunt their way through to another title. Excepting the crazy AV game, the passing and attacking midfield play has been pretty electric. Salah looks much better all around and Mane seems hyped. Firminho seems more energized too.

But TAA still can't defend at champ level and without VVD, I'm beginning to doubt things. TAA+Matip+Gomez across the back? Ouch.

 

[NDRock]

I think that the commentators ultimately said that the VAR guys just blew it --- looking at the offsides alone, thinking they solved an issue, and had a braincramp about looking at the bloody red Pickford attack.

Prior to losing VVD, I had total confidence in Liverpool this season to grunt their way through to another title. Excepting the crazy AV game, the passing and attacking midfield play has been pretty electric. Salah looks much better all around and Mane seems hyped. Firminho seems more energized too.

But TAA still can't defend at champ level and without VVD, I'm beginning to doubt things. TAA+Matip+Gomez across the back? Ouch.

Watching a winning goal get taken away by VAR due to some body party being a minuscule offside, is insane. I've never seen a sport willingly try to eliminate its most exciting plays (goals). VAR and offside does not work in its current form. Using it for goal line technology and calls such as hand ball works fine, IMO.

 

[Rogue219]

Yeah, its a grind, and count me as one of the ones who less than hopeful. Right now 1st choice center backs are Gomez and Matip. Gomez checks out too often for my liking and Matip is always injured and never fully healthy. That leave Fabihno and some u23 kids.

Zero chance Matip makes it the whole season uninjured.

If Gomez isn't the best England International CB, tell me who is. Slabhead? Dier? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "checks out too often". Again, it isn't ideal by any stretch, but they can go forth with Gomez and Matip with Fabinho providing cover in front of them.

That said, I want this team and this manager when it comes to adversity. I have seen clubs over the years on countless engagements piss down their legs at the first sight of trouble. The saying goes, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. This club has responded in recent years when up against the odds. They'll do it again.

These are not mental midgets we're dealing with and they certainly will not make excuses.

 

[Rogue219]

Exactly, there doesn't seem to be any set rules for VAR. I can argue United deserved the penalty because it was a clear handball in the box, just like I can argue Pickford almost ended Van Dijk's knee and should have been a card.

It just seems like the VAR argument is going on every week and there are always issues every week. Just be clear and consistent.

I have NEVER seen a PK awarded to anyone after the final whistle blew. And by that rationale, Asto Villa should be in the Championship after what happened last year with Sheffield United not being awarded a PK because the referee's buzzer went off in the dressing room at halftime.

The rules don't seem to be the same for everyone, and Liverpool isn't exactly a small club, on top of the fact this was a derby and they are well known for being heated matches. Everton busted Origi's leg a few years ago.

Mane's collision with Ederson a few years back as a straight red card, but what the alligator armed twat did to Van Dijk happened right in front of Michael Oliver's face and he didn't call anything. In addition, the official who was doing VAR has been involved in some pretty remarkably bad decisions prior to this one on top of alligator arms having done something similar prior to this to Dele Alli.

VAR ref and keeper in question are repeat offenders. Keepers get too much protection as it is, but this is now a license for the rest of the league's keepers to do what they feel like whether it is offsides or not.

 

[Rogue219]

Watching a winning goal get taken away by VAR due to some body party being a minuscule offside, is insane.

No rhyme or reason to this either.

 

[notredomer23]

Watching a winning goal get taken away by VAR due to some body party being a minuscule offside, is insane. I've never seen a sport willingly try to eliminate its most exciting plays (goals). VAR and offside does not work in its current form. Using it for goal line technology and calls such as hand ball works fine, IMO.

The problem to me with that VAR call was that there was no body part obviously offsides. With some of the BS VAR calls, we have seen an obvious arm or chin or armpit offside. What was there in this case? Was watching live, have watched replays, still can't tell ya.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If Gomez isn't the best England International CB, tell me who is. Slabhead? Dier? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "checks out too often". Again, it isn't ideal by any stretch, but they can go forth with Gomez and Matip with Fabinho providing cover in front of them.

That said, I want this team and this manager when it comes to adversity. I have seen clubs over the years on countless engagements piss down their legs at the first sight of trouble. The saying goes, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. This club has responded in recent years when up against the odds. They'll do it again.

These are not mental midgets we're dealing with and they certainly will not make excuses.

Joe Gomez's international performances mean little to me. Dont even know how that is relevant. Its not like England is n elite European team internationally. Sohe is the best of an average group of defenders. Ok...

Gomez "checks out" in that his situational awareness shuts down and often puts him in bad positions that many times he can cover for with his athleticism and with VVD covering as well. If Matip is in there with him, who is the one making the calls? Who is the leader of those two? Color me unconvinced in either case as Joe will likely be playing with 4th and 5th choice CBs when Matip goes down.

 

[NDRock]

The problem to me with that VAR call was that there was no body part obviously offsides. With some of the BS VAR calls, we have seen an obvious arm or chin or armpit offside. What was there in this case? Was watching live, have watched replays, still can't tell ya.

Yep. The bigger issue is that unlike an end zone in football or the goal line in soccer, the offside line is a moving target. You can place fixed cameras on the out of bounds or the goal line and always have a good angle. With offside, you not only need to be inline with the players (who are always moving) but also match that up with the exact moment the ball is played. The technology just isn't there.

This may have been posted before but this article explains how they don't have the technology yet. Why they insist on making decisions with inadequate equipment is beyond me.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-2-4cm-offside-allowed-13cm-margin-error.html

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I have NEVER seen a PK awarded to anyone after the final whistle blew. And by that rationale, Asto Villa should be in the Championship after what happened last year with Sheffield United not being awarded a PK because the referee's buzzer went off in the dressing room at halftime.

The rules don't seem to be the same for everyone, and Liverpool isn't exactly a small club, on top of the fact this was a derby and they are well known for being heated matches. Everton busted Origi's leg a few years ago.

Mane's collision with Ederson a few years back as a straight red card, but what the alligator armed twat did to Van Dijk happened right in front of Michael Oliver's face and he didn't call anything. In addition, the official who was doing VAR has been involved in some pretty remarkably bad decisions prior to this one on top of alligator arms having done something similar prior to this to Dele Alli.

VAR ref and keeper in question are repeat offenders. Keepers get too much protection as it is, but this is now a license for the rest of the league's keepers to do what they feel like whether it is offsides or not.

I'm all for having a certain time limit after the whistle at the end of each half if a play happens within a few seconds of the final whistle. Give VAR time to review (say 60 seconds), keep the teams on the field. Once results come back, finish up. This can really only happen with penalty kicks and cards though. You can have a foul in the middle of the field but once the ball is in play, the game would be over. It's like having .01 seconds left in basketball. You can make a free-throw because it's untimed, but you wouldn't be able to get the ball in play and do anything.

I think everybody (in the world) is on the same page and just wants the same rules to be followed week in and week out for every team.