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[ulukinatme]

Can click into the tweet or post. What did he say that got him fired?

I guess there was a picture of a transgender man/woman, and not a particularly flattering one, that said "Would you let this person into the women's restroom with your daughter?" Schilling just commented on the picture I guess, and he said "A men's restroom was designed for a people with a penis, a women's restroom...not so much." That was it. In my opinion, he has a point. I don't know all the details, but that's what I took away from it. Schilling responded to the criticisms by saying it was just his opinion, and went on to point out that if he had said "People make men's bikes for men, and women's bikes for women" that wouldn't have been much different that the previous comment. I think the PC crowd went overboard here.

[Edit] I was beaten to the punch it seems.

 

[wizards8507]

"ESPN is an inclusive company. Curt Schilling has been advised that his conduct was unacceptable and his employment with ESPN has been terminated."

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The picture was probably the bigger reason.

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And he has a history of Muslim bashing (for which he had been suspended) and recently implied that Hillary Clinton should be dead.

He was on a short leash.

For context, one of ESPN's MLB editors is also a trans woman.

 

[koonja]

Maybe they don't like Schilling. If a good analysts says that on a comment, keep in mind, it's not his original post so many people won't notice it, I feel like it's not as big of a deal.

 

[ulukinatme]

The picture was probably the bigger reason.

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Did he actually post the picture? I was under the impression he just commented on it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Did he actually post the picture? I was under the impression he just commented on it.

He shared it and commented. So, yes, he posted the picture. He just didn't create the meme.

 

[wizards8507]

The text on the meme said the following:

"LET HIM IN!
to the restroom with your daughter or else you're a narrow minded, judgmental, unloving, racist bigot who needs to die!!!"

I'm sorry, how is that not an accurate description of the position of the trans lobby? In protesting North Carolina's law, they've taken the position that anyone should be able to use any restroom they want based on their "gender identity." The trans lobby would absolutely support that "trans woman's" access to women's restrooms and call you a narrow minded, judgmental, unloving bigot if you disagree.

 

[PANDFAN]

And he has a history of Muslim bashing (for which he had been suspended) and recently implied that Hillary Clinton should be dead.

He was on a short leash.

For context, one of ESPN's MLB editors is also a trans woman.

Christina Kahrl is one of the co-founders of Baseball Prospectus. She is the former executive editor of the think tank's website, BaseballProspectus.com,[1] the former managing editor for their annual publication, and is currently writing and editing for ESPN.com. She is a member of the Baseball Writers Association of America.
Kahrl is an activist on civil rights issues for the transgender community in her hometown of Chicago and a member of the Equality Illinois board of directors.[2] The story of her publicly coming out as a transsexual sportswriter in 2003 was part of a GLAAD[3] award-nominated segment entitled "Transitions" on HBO's Real Sports that aired in 2010.[4]

 

[zelezo vlk]

And he has a history of Muslim bashing (for which he had been suspended) and recently implied that Hillary Clinton should be dead.

He was on a short leash.

For context, one of ESPN's MLB editors is also a trans woman.

Right. I recall reading about him getting in trouble with some comments about Muslims.

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[IrishJayhawk]

I'm sorry, how is that not an accurate description of the position of the trans lobby? In protesting North Carolina's law, they've taken the position that anyone should be able to use any restroom they want based on their "gender identity." The trans lobby would absolutely support that "trans woman's" access to women's restrooms.

I haven't taken a position here.

That said, I see the implication as being that we're opening a pandora's box for child molesters. There are no documented instances of bathroom assaults by transgender people.

 

[NDgradstudent]

For context, one of ESPN's MLB editors is also a trans woman.

I heard one of ESPN's MLB editors is Napoleon Bonaparte. You might disagree, but ESPN won't fire you as long as you refer to him as "Your Imperial Majesty."

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I heard one of ESPN's MLB editors is Napoleon Bonaparte. You might disagree, but ESPN won't fire you as long as you refer to him as "Your Imperial Majesty."

Wow. That really made me think.

 

[wizards8507]

That said, I see the implication as being that we're opening a pandora's box for child molesters. There are no documented instances of bathroom assaults by transgender people.

The implication is not that actual transgender people would commit assaults. The implication is that perverts, under the guise of transgenderism, would commit assaults if the law gave them access to the opposite gender's restrooms simply by claiming to be that gender.

 

[ulukinatme]

For context, one of ESPN's MLB editors is also a trans woman.

I heard one of ESPN's MLB editors is Napoleon Bonaparte. You might disagree, but ESPN won't fire you as long as you refer to him as "Your Imperial Majesty."

 

[ND NYC]

Has The Big Blowhard ever paid back rhode island taxpayers the 75M he fleeced from them?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The implication is not that actual transgender people would commit assaults. The implication is that perverts, under the guise of transgenderism, would commit assaults if the law gave them access to the opposite gender's restrooms simply by claiming to be that gender.

I just don't see that happening. If people are going to commit a bathroom assault, I don't think their own gender is currently preventing them from doing so.

 

[gkIrish]

The implication is not that actual transgender people would commit assaults. The implication is that perverts, under the guise of transgenderism, would commit assaults if the law gave them access to the opposite gender's restrooms simply by claiming to be that gender.

Sadly, it's going to take some little girl getting raped and killed for people to realize how ridiculous this whole controversy is.

 

[wizards8507]

Has The Big Blowhard ever paid back rhode island taxpayers the 75M he fleeced from them?

Did Ray Lewis ever find that missing suit? What's your point?

 

[wizards8507]

I just don't see that happening. If people are going to commit a bathroom assault, I don't think their own gender is currently preventing them from doing so.

That's fine, and we can disagree on the substance of the argument. But the mob mentality to which Schilling objected is not disagreeing on substance. Their stance is that anyone who disagrees with them can't possibly disagree in good faith and that their positions are based on hatred and bigotry.

 

[irishfan]

He was asking for it with the picture he shared plus he seemed to have nine lives there anyway. You've got to know when to shut up sometimes.

 

[GoldenDome]

If he feels that denigrating the vulnerable with ruthless and demeaning Internet memes is in anyway constructive, he needs to some introspection as a person. An intellectually honest person would admit their is a problem and look for solutions rather than marginalizing an already marginalized group that perpetuates false stereotypes.

 

[EvilleIrish]

If he feels that denigrating the vulnerable with ruthless and demeaning Internet memes is in anyway constructive, he needs to some introspection as a person. An intellectually honest person would admit their is a problem and look for solutions rather than marginalizing an already marginalized group that perpetuates false stereotypes.

I could be way off here, but a couple of those stats are very hard to believe. EIGHTY FIVE percent of transgender college students have been sexually assaulted?

 

[ulukinatme]

I could be way off here, but a couple of those stats are very hard to believe. EIGHTY FIVE percent of transgender college students have been sexually assaulted?

Yeah, something is definitely off with those numbers. I'm thinking small sample size or something. I find it hard to believe almost every transgender college student has been sexually assaulted at some point. Maybe they're using a very loose definition of sexual assault.

 

[wizards8507]

Yeah, something is definitely off with those numbers. I'm thinking small sample size or something. I find it hard to believe almost every transgender college student has been sexually assaulted at some point. Maybe they're using a very loose definition of sexual assault.

Yeah that whole chart is BS.

 

[wizards8507]

If he feels that denigrating the vulnerable with ruthless and demeaning Internet memes is in anyway constructive, he needs to some introspection as a person. An intellectually honest person would admit their is a problem and look for solutions rather than marginalizing an already marginalized group that perpetuates false stereotypes.

1. He didn't marginalize anyone. All he said is that bathrooms are based on genitals. That's it.

2. He didn't perpetuate a false stereotype. That meme is an actual photograph of an actual transgender person who would actually be allowed to use the women's restroom if the trans lobby got what it wanted. You can't say "Caitlyn Jenner gets trans rights but this trans woman in the meme doesn't because she looks sketchier."

 

[GoldenDome]

Yeah, something is definitely off with those numbers. I'm thinking small sample size or something. I find it hard to believe almost every transgender college student has been sexually assaulted at some point. Maybe they're using a very loose definition of sexual assault.

It depends on the definition of sexual assault and if they included sexual harassment perhaps. If so, it makes sense.

Feel free to find better stats that help opposing viewpoints. Most are damning.

Here is another one. Stats in this are pretty eye opening.

New analysis of responses to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS) shows that transgender respondents who experienced rejection by family and friends, discrimination, victimization, or violence have a higher risk of attempting suicide. 78 percent of survey respondents who suffered physical or sexual violence at school reported suicide attempts, as did 65 percent of respondents who experienced violence at work.
The study suggests that several minority stressors – negative experiences related to anti-transgender bias – may contribute to elevated prevalence of suicide attempts among transgender people, such as experiences of harassment, family rejection, housing instability, and discrimination in health care. Over half of those who experienced harassment or bullying in schools reported lifetime suicide attempts, as did 57 percent of those who reported that their family chose not to speak/spend time with them. High prevalence of suicide attempts was also found among those who had ever experienced homelessness (69%) and those who reported a doctor or healthcare provider refused to treat them (60%).
The study utilized data collected through the National Transgender Discrimination Survey (NTDS), which was conducted by the National Center for Transgender Equality and the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. 6,456 transgender and gender non-conforming people in the United States reported on their experiences of discrimination and abuse at work, at home, in school, and in the public sphere, amassing the largest transgender survey sample to date.
- See more at: Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Adults | Williams Institute

Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Adults | Williams Institute

Point is, these are some of the most vulnerable in society, and to recklessly shun them with stereotypical falsehoods is quite irresponsible. Had he made his case in a professional and decent manner, I would imagine he would still have his job.

Has any other ESPN employee voiced their opposition in a much more professional manner? I know Chris Broussard has done so WRT the gay community.

 

[GoldenDome]

Yeah that whole chart is BS.

Based on what, your feelings? Feel free to find a better one instead of being presumptive.

 

[Monk]

It is also hard for me to believe that 70% of all transgender have been sexually assaulted by law enforcement specifically. I don't have any experience in that area, so I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem accurate.

 

[wizards8507]

Based on what, your feelings? Feel free to find a better one instead of being presumptive.

Give me a break. There's no chance that 70% of transgender people have ever even encountered law enforcement in any kind of negative way, let alone get assaulted by them.

It depends on the definition of sexual assault and if they included sexual harassment perhaps. If so, it makes sense.

Feel free to find better stats that help opposing viewpoints. Most are damning.

Here is another one. Stats in this are pretty eye opening.

Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Adults | Williams Institute

Point is, these are some of the most vulnerable in society, and to recklessly shun them with stereotypical falsehoods is quite irresponsible. Had he made his case in a professional and decent manner, I would imagine he would still have his job.

Has any other ESPN employee voiced their opposition in a much more professional manner? I know Chris Broussard has done so WRT the gay community.

Those statistics have some pretty strong confirmation bias and conflate cause and effect. Transgender people don't have high rates of mental illness and depression because they're transgender. Mentally ill and depressed people become transgender because they're mentally ill and depressed.

Binge eating and Bulimia: The latest psychological research on eating disorders - Home - The risk of suicide among people suffering from*bulimia

Anorexia - In-Depth Report - NY Times Health

Schizophrenia and suicide: systematic review of risk factors | The British Journal of Psychiatry

 

[wizards8507]

@GoldenDome, I picked one specific point in that chart to prove how absurd it is. I'm not going to disprove each one because I don't have the time or the energy.

The chart states "50% of transgender people will be raped in their lifetime." I can't find a free version of the scholarly article, but the actual statistics say that 50% of transgender people will experience "sexual violence" in their lifetime. Sexual violence is a far cry from rape. Ever have drunk sex? Sexual violence. Ever squeeze a boob in high school or college? Sexual violence. Ever play "flapjack" or "Bangkok" in a locker room? Sexual violence. Based on those criteria, I'm both a victim and perpetrator of sexual violence on several occasions. Interestingly, I've never been raped nor have I been raped. "How strangely do the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words."

So, now that we've established that "50% rape" is really "50% sexual violence," that also disproves 70% sexual assault by law enforcement, 69% of high school students sexually assaulted, and 85% of college students sexually assaulted, since none of those numbers can be higher than 50%.

National Statistics | Rape Response Services

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=249567