Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

[GATTACA!]

First, kudos to the 2 of you having a civil conversation w/o name calling, condescending, etc. It’s sad that this is the exception rather than the rule.

I think YJ is a stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think YJ is a stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf herder.

Just admit it, you just can't quit me.... If I'd go full Yang Gang, you'd profess your undying love..

 

[NEIIrish]

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/n...-door-for-bloomberg-to-make-stage-77947461705

Lol, now that the minorities are out of the way they change the rules to let the old white guy into the race. Pathetic hypocrisy and disgusting racism.

 

[NEIIrish]

I thought white billionaires were the devil

 

[BleedBlueGold]

WSJ Opinion piece: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-democratic-majority-hasnt-emerged-11580673938?mod=e2tw

Democrats—voters as well as politicians—suffer from cultural insularity. Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt and his colleagues have shown that conservatives are better at understanding liberal views than the converse. That’s not surprising: Whereas liberal views permeate the news media and popular culture, liberals can easily avoid exposure to conservative views. That distorts their view of the world and produces oversensitivity to leftist social-media mobs along with overconfidence in demographic trends.

All this tends to heighten the geographic overconcentration of Democratic votes in central cities, university towns and some suburbs. Republicans are spread more evenly.

A party with such concentrated support is at a disadvantage in the Senate and the Electoral College, as well as in the House and state legislatures, especially when the other party controls the redistricting process. The last two presidents were re-elected with 51% of the popular vote. But George W. Bush carried 255 congressional districts, Barack Obama only 209.

Faced with this disadvantage, some Democrats are talking about rewriting the rules to abolish or bypass the Electoral College. Others want to do away with equal representation of the states in the Senate, although under Article V of the Constitution, that would require the consent of every state.

If the Democrats don’t beat Mr. Trump, sooner or later they’ll alight on the sensible course—take more-centrist positions and adopt conciliatory rhetoric. Bill Clinton did it in 1992: change your position on some issues and modify your rhetoric on others to win over the voters you need. That would enrage the mobs on campus and Twitter, and it’s contrary to the approach taken by this year’s leading contenders. But it had the distinct advantage of taking voters seriously—and winning.

I read this and immediately thought of Buttigieg telling a pro-life Dem there is no room for compromise on the subject in the Dem party, thus alienating a giant block of voters across the country. He'd much rather just eliminate the electoral college than try and see someone else's point of view on a subject on a subject in which he disagrees.

 

[Irish#1]

I thought white billionaires were the devil

Only if they vote Republican.

 

[BGIF]

Just admit it, you just can't quit me.... If I'd go full Yang Gang, you'd profess your undying love..

Echoing Chris Matthews glee with Obama's election, Gattaca would profess to bear your child.

 

[ulukinatme]

WSJ Opinion piece: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-democratic-majority-hasnt-emerged-11580673938?mod=e2tw

Democrats—voters as well as politicians—suffer from cultural insularity. Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt and his colleagues have shown that conservatives are better at understanding liberal views than the converse. That’s not surprising: Whereas liberal views permeate the news media and popular culture, liberals can easily avoid exposure to conservative views. That distorts their view of the world and produces oversensitivity to leftist social-media mobs along with overconfidence in demographic trends.

All this tends to heighten the geographic overconcentration of Democratic votes in central cities, university towns and some suburbs. Republicans are spread more evenly.
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A party with such concentrated support is at a disadvantage in the Senate and the Electoral College, as well as in the House and state legislatures, especially when the other party controls the redistricting process. The last two presidents were re-elected with 51% of the popular vote. But George W. Bush carried 255 congressional districts, Barack Obama only 209.

Faced with this disadvantage, some Democrats are talking about rewriting the rules to abolish or bypass the Electoral College. Others want to do away with equal representation of the states in the Senate, although under Article V of the Constitution, that would require the consent of every state.
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If the Democrats don’t beat Mr. Trump, sooner or later they’ll alight on the sensible course—take more-centrist positions and adopt conciliatory rhetoric. Bill Clinton did it in 1992: change your position on some issues and modify your rhetoric on others to win over the voters you need. That would enrage the mobs on campus and Twitter, and it’s contrary to the approach taken by this year’s leading contenders. But it had the distinct advantage of taking voters seriously—and winning.

I read this and immediately thought of Buttigieg telling a pro-life Dem there is no room for compromise on the subject in the Dem party, thus alienating a giant block of voters across the country. He'd much rather just eliminate the electoral college than try and see someone else's point of view on a subject on a subject in which he disagrees.

WSJ is spot on there. The Liberal echo chamber is certainly a thing, and they're less apt to understand the other side's view. The Liberal agenda may not coincide with our own, but that doesn't mean we don't understand the premise of their views. The same can't always be said in reverse. When a leftist inquires about my position on something I'm met with "Why do you feel that way?" and then they'll try to insult my intelligence or attack my character because my position differs from their own. Before I met my wife my last gf got incredibly pissed with me and questioned why I was Conservative/Libertarian, she couldn't fathom how I arrived at that choice. She moved to Seattle, and I'm sure she's much happier.

The article made an interesting point in the last paragraph too. Rather than trying to appeal to the moderates like Bill did, many of the left's candidates seem to be leaning more the other way (Perhaps trying to reach the youth vote). Maybe that's the strategy prior to winning the nomination, I don't know. If they flip positions later that would open them up to ridicule. Either way, there's been a lot of doubling down on what didn't work for them in 2016 so if they don't change strategies it's going to hurt them.

 

[IrishLax]

Looks like Biden is getting damn near zero turnout. Methinks this nonstop impeachment + Hunter Biden stuff really torpedoed him. He lots 80%+ of his support on this site over the past few months.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

WSJ is spot on there. The Liberal echo chamber is certainly a thing, and they're less apt to understand the other side's view. The Liberal agenda may not coincide with our own, but that doesn't mean we don't understand the premise of their views. The same can't always be said in reverse. When a leftist inquires about my position on something I'm met with "Why do you feel that way?" and then they'll try to insult my intelligence or attack my character because my position differs from their own. Before I met my wife my last gf got incredibly pissed with me and questioned why I was Conservative/Libertarian, she couldn't fathom how I arrived at that choice. She moved to Seattle, and I'm sure she's much happier.

The article made an interesting point in the last paragraph too. Rather than trying to appeal to the moderates like Bill did, many of the left's candidates seem to be leaning more the other way (Perhaps trying to reach the youth vote). Maybe that's the strategy prior to winning the nomination, I don't know. If they flip positions later that would open them up to ridicule. Either way, there's been a lot of doubling down on what didn't work for them in 2016 so if they don't change strategies it's going to hurt them.

I think the current nominees focus too much on the trendy, Twitter-mob topics. I find it silly that with all the data available to us these days, there isn't a candidate who fits in with what would be described as a true populist. One who aligns with where the majority of the country is per each individual topic. It's why you see Whiskey, myself, and others bring up how a populist, pro-life democrat would arguably steamroll the field and win the presidency.

Certain issues poll majority Right, some majority Left, some majority Center. Going all in on one side or the other is most likely a losing strategy. (That's not to say I want politicians to pander even more than they already do. But it'd be nice to find someone who at least understands these topics and somewhat aligns with them)

I'm just sick and tired of defending someone like Bernie/Yang/Gabbard on the position of healthcare, corruption, endless wars, etc. and then the next week I'm disgusted when Bernie talks about no-limitations/late term abortions, etc.

There will probably never be the perfect politician. But I'm finding it harder and harder to find someone that I actually align with myself. It causes me great anxiety when it's time to vote.

 

[IrishLax]

This Iowa caucus is a disaster. No results and it’s 11 PM. Shady app added to their already convicted process. Major accessibility concerns and other factors that affect turnout.

There needs to be a federal law mandating how early you can have a primary, and Iowa should not be the special child anymore.

 

[drayer54]

This Iowa caucus is a disaster. No results and it’s 11 PM. Shady app added to their already convicted process. Major accessibility concerns and other factors that affect turnout.

There needs to be a federal law mandating how early you can have a primary, and Iowa should not be the special child anymore.

In 2016, we wrote our choice on a post it note and passed it down the aisle. That was in Iowa. The Iowa Democratic Party leaders are complete idiots. Tonight is just further validation.

 

[BGIF]

CNN Breaking News!

CNN Breaking News!

'Inconsistencies' are behind delay"

CNN LIVE UPDATES: The Iowa Democratic Party says there are no underlying issues with accuracy of results but it will take time to report them*


Back in the good ol' days of Tammany Hall, Mayor Daley, The Pendergast Machine, Farley's Post Office, The Cracker Party, Byrd Organization, Mayor Hague, etc, etc. The State Chair would have simply advised, "Report who you want tonight. Trust us, we'll have the right numbers in the morning.


Currently DNC torn between blaming:

• TRUMP
• RUSSIANS
• UKRAINIANS
• HANGING CHADS
• ALL OF THE ABOVE

Hard to believe but Debbie Wasserman Schultz knew how to stack an election with a lot less noise.


Yes folks, these are the people that will run a National Health Care with equal skill.

The people who want to abolish the Electoral College.


Van Jones, CNN noting this wouldn't happen in a more diverse state.

 

[ulukinatme]

https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/03/cnn-jake-tapper-biden-iowa-caucus/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-jake-tapper-biden-iowa-caucuses

CNN anchor Jake Tapper had an awkward exchange at the Iowa caucuses with a small group of Biden supporters Monday who were deemed "unviable" to earn any delegate support in that precinct.

With the first Democratic primary in the nation underway, only the candidates with at least 15 percent of support in each precinct earn delegates that could lead to the party's nomination. Candidates who don't meet the threshold are then fought over by the stronger candidates in order to broaden their support.

Early media coverage has shown former Vice President Joe Biden struggling to earn enough support in certain precincts, including one in Des Moines, where Tapper was located.

Scouting each of the groups at the precinct, which need at least 56 supporters in order to be "viable" for delegates, Tapper spotted a scarce gathering of Biden backers.

"This does not look like 56 people," Tapper said as he walked towards the Biden group. "You look like lovely, wonderful people, but it doesn't look like you've made the viability threshold."

"Not yet," one hopeful Biden supporter replied. "There's time."

"There's time... this year?" the CNN anchor asked. "I'm not trying to be funny, but what are you going to do?"

Another Biden backer told Tapper that they were planning on "standing strong" with their first choice and insisted that other attendees whose candidates were also unviable would join them since Biden is a popular "second choice."

"So you think there's still a possibility that they will come here?" Tapper asked about supporters of Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., and Andrew Yang, who also appear not to have enough support at the precinct.

"Yep," the other Biden backer said.

"So, hope springs eternal," Tapper said to the camera as he walked away from the Biden group.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNN's Jake Tapper mocks the people supporting Joe Biden<br><br>Tapper: “It doesn’t look like you made the viability threshold”<br><br>Voter: “Not yet, there’s time honey”<br><br>Tapper: “There’s time … this year?” <a href="https://t.co/XKespfTCeX">pic.twitter.com/XKespfTCeX</a></p>— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1224520287175114752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

Iowa Dem results held up due to voting problems. Looks like Biden didn't even get enough votes to garner any delegates. Not good for the party that has a lot of candidates that have the answer to all of our problems.

Washington, DC (CNN)The first results of the 2020 presidential election are delayed, with zero precincts reporting in the Iowa caucuses amid complaints about long hold times for precincts looking to send in results and rising questions about a new app used by the state Democratic Party.

Shawn Sebastian, a precinct secretary in Story County, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, "I have been on hold for over an hour with the Iowa Democratic Party. They tried to, I think, promote an app to report the results. The app by all accounts just like doesn't work, so we've been recommended to call into the hot line, and the hot line has not been responsive."

Sebastian's call was picked up as he was speaking on-air to Blitzer, but moments later Sebastian said he was hung up on.

Drew Kelley, a vice chair of the Clinton County Democratic Central Committee, told CNN, "I can't tell you anything about the why, just that I had a busy signal for about 15 minutes, then finally got through and was on hold another hour. Finally through, the worker on the line was extremely helpful."

Iowa Democratic Party officials hunkered down Monday night in their war room, initially leaving campaigns in the dark over the delay in the reporting of caucus results.
An Iowa Democratic official said results are still being collected now — and will be overnight if the precinct chairs keep calling them in. There was no estimated time given to campaigns.

"They literally have no verified results," a senior campaign adviser said. "We won't know anything until some time Tuesday — at least."

Officials from two Democratic campaigns tell CNN they were told the app to tabulate results had crashed. They said they had not been given any other information.
Representatives of presidential campaigns were not invited into the state party's war room, which is standard practice. But as the night wore on without word, one said: "It's clear that something has gone wrong." A state Democratic official who was in the war room said the mood was calm and the officials were committed to get the count right. "More data takes more time," the official said.

Iowa Democratic Party Communications Director Mandy McClure said in a statement late Monday that there were no issues about the integrity of the vote despite the delays.
"We found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results," she said.
"In addition to the tech systems being used to tabulate results, we are also using photos of results and a paper trail to validate that all results match and ensure that we have confidence and accuracy in the numbers we report," the statement reads.
"This is simply a reporting issue, the app did not go down and this is not a hack or an intrusion. The underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results," the statement reads.

According to former Iowa Democratic Party chair Andy McGuire, the state campaign chair for Sen. Amy Klobuchar, precinct captains were given a six-digit pin that they put in that identifies the precinct captain and allows them to put in the results.
"The app seemed to be working in our precinct," McGuire said about her Des Moines-area precinct. "I saw him put it in. It seemed to be working just fine."
She added: "Between there and headquarters, something's going on."
But, she said, "The good news here is all this is solidified and backed by paper. We had to sign our results. It's all on paper."

Iowa Democrats planned to release more information about caucus results than usual this year. The three sets of numbers expected are the state delegates won, the first alignment, and the second alignment.

Each precinct sends delegates to county conventions, who then send delegates to the state convention. The "state delegate equivalents" are the estimated number of delegates candidates have won to the state convention based on their results in each precinct.


Voting issues aren't new when it comes to the Iowa caucuses, the state in the last Presidential election in 2016 faced a controversy surrounding apparent confusion about the voting process.

Unlike a traditional primary, in which voters cast ballots, caucuses all take place out in the open: People show up to their precinct and physically move into designated parts of a room to show their preference for a certain candidate. Delegates are awarded based on those who reach a certain threshold of support by the end of the night.

In 2016, the state Democratic Party was forced to review the caucuses after the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders flagged issues with the process specifically the way in which a winner is declared and coin flips.

The winner of the caucuses is decided by state delegate equivalents, tied to a math formula, not head counts. While, the coin flips or "games of chance" are used in rare circumstances at precinct caucuses to adjudicate ties or resolve issues created by rounding errors. At stake at these precinct-level coin flips is the one remaining slot in that precinct for a campaign to send a delegate to attend that precinct's county convention. Coin flips are not used to decide which candidate wins a state convention delegate or national convention delegate.

The 2020 caucuses proceeded under new rules and procedures, including the addition of 87 "satellite caucuses" sites part of the state's effort make the process more accessible.

 

[GATTACA!]

What an absolute disaster.

 

[BGIF]

Lauren Egan
4h ago / 8:19 AM CST

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/iowa-caucuses-live-updates-2020-democrats-make-their-final-pitches-n1128596/ncrd1129681#liveBlogHeader

Biden campaign raises ‘concerns’ about ‘integrity’ of Iowa caucuses
Kate Bedingfield, Biden's deputy campaign manager and communications director, said the campaign has "real concerns about the integrity of the process” Tuesday morning during an appearance on CNN.

"I think there were some significant failures in the process last night that should give voters concern," Bedingfield said, citing difficulty that many caucus chairs had reporting results through an app and phone calls.

"I think taken together those are significant concerns," Bedingfield said. "I think they should raise concerns for voters. And, you know, election integrity is obviously of the utmost importance and so we really want to make sure the Iowa Democratic Party addresses this before they put out official data."

The Iowa Democratic has said that their data was "sound" and the delay in the results was not due to a hack or intrusion, rather an abundance of caution to ensure accuracy. They plan to release the results sometime Tuesday.

When asked what reason she has to believe differently than what the Iowa Democratic Party has stated, Bedingfield said, "If you have a process where you can't be confident that the results that are being reported are reflective of the votes that people cast last night and the process, that's a real concern."

 

[BGIF]

Democrats say 'majority' of Iowa caucus results to come out by 5 p.m. Eastern
Published: Feb 4, 2020 12:39 p.m. ET
By JEFFRY BARTASH REPORTER

The Iowa Democratic party said it will release a "majority" of the presidential caucus results by 5 p.m. Eastern. The state party chairman made the promise in a conference call with the campaigns of Democratic presidential contenders. The results of Monday night's caucus have suffered a historic delay due to technology and other glitches. The campaign of Bernie Sanders suggested he scored a narrow win, with Pete Buttigieg coming in second, Elizabeth Warren third and presumed frontrunner Joe Biden fourth. The Buttigieg campaign has disputed that characterization, but the Warren and Biden campaigns have been mum.

 

[BGIF]

Wolf Blitzer just reported that the Iowa Dems Promise "more than 50% of the results will be reported by 5 PM ET".

FUBAR!


Bloomberg looking brillant for skipping Iowa.


David Chalian CNN reports Bloomberg is upping spending and staff, up to 2000 people. Bloomberg rolling the dice on Super Tuesday.

 

[Irish#1]

Lauren Egan
4h ago / 8:19 AM CST

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/iowa-caucuses-live-updates-2020-democrats-make-their-final-pitches-n1128596/ncrd1129681#liveBlogHeader

Somebody putting the squeeze on Joe like Hillary did Bernie at the DNC?

Democrats say 'majority' of Iowa caucus results to come out by 5 p.m. Eastern
Published: Feb 4, 2020 12:39 p.m. ET
By JEFFRY BARTASH REPORTER

Data sound, delayed due to being abundantly cautious? If the app is the problem, how do they know the data is sound? Hmm..

 

[drayer54]

The real reason the Iowa Caucus failed miserably.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC’s <a href="https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZerlinaMaxwell</a>:<br><br>“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”<a href="https://t.co/OCg2Dg8e7y">pic.twitter.com/OCg2Dg8e7y</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1224746735542657024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ACamp1900]

I love all the racist assumptions these arguments make... whites can't be trusted, whites are inherently racist, whites only care about other whites...

but don't dare do or say anything racist, because that's bad mkay... I swear their self awareness is zero.

 

[BGIF]

Somebody putting the squeeze on Joe like Hillary did Bernie at the DNC?



Data sound, delayed due to being abundantly cautious? If the app is the problem, how do they know the data is sound? Hmm..

Somebody, I can't recall who as I was switching channels last night, commented that the app was developed by "Hillary's people". There was no description of who those people were, when they were associated with Hillary, or when the app was developed. I don't know if the comment has any credibility or just more tinfoil hat stuff during a tinfoil mishandled event.

 

[IrishLax]

Somebody, I can't recall who as I was switching channels last night, commented that the app was developed by "Hillary's people". There was no description of who those people were, when they were associated with Hillary, or when the app was developed. I don't know if the comment has any credibility or just more tinfoil hat stuff during a tinfoil mishandled event.

There's also tinfoil hat stuff that the app developer is a Buttigieg supporter.

 

[Sea Turtle]

They are simply screwing Bernie Sanders here to not give him a big night and build momentum. They are doing this to keep Biden alive as they don't want Sanders to be the nominee.

If you're a Democrat, you should be sickened. I just find it funny.

 

[IrishLax]

I love all the racist assumptions these arguments make... whites can't be trusted, whites are inherently racist, whites only care about other whites...

but don't dare do or say anything racist, because that's bad mkay... I swear their self awareness is zero.

Yeah, the rule of thumb for them is that you cannot say good things about white people and can only say bad things, and then for non-white people you cannot say bad things and can only say good things. It ends up as an insane, logically inconsistent echo chamber of nonsense. It also allows them to take literally anything bad about society and blame it on white people without any justification.

This same person also said in that segment that Elizabeth Warren -- who is cratering and finished third at best and *significantly* below where polls had her in Iowa a couple months ago -- did "particularly well". Feelings over facts while roleplaying as an "analyst" and "expert."

 

[ab2cmiller]

The real reason the Iowa Caucus failed miserably.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC’s <a href="https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZerlinaMaxwell</a>:<br><br>“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”<a href="https://t.co/OCg2Dg8e7y">pic.twitter.com/OCg2Dg8e7y</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1224746735542657024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So if you finish in the top 4 in the Iowa Caucus, you must be the most racist Democrats right?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Yeah, the rule of thumb for them is that you cannot say good things about white people and can only say bad things, and then for non-white people you cannot say bad things and can only say good things. It ends up as an insane, logically inconsistent echo chamber of nonsense. It also allows them to take literally anything bad about society and blame it on white people without any justification.

This same person also said in that segment that Elizabeth Warren -- who is cratering and finished third at best and *significantly* below where polls had her in Iowa a couple months ago -- did "particularly well". Feelings over facts while roleplaying as an "analyst" and "expert."

And that's a reason Trump supporters love him. He doesn't play by those rules. He doesn't care who or what color you are

 

[BGIF]

The real reason the Iowa Caucus failed miserably.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSNBC’s <a href="https://twitter.com/ZerlinaMaxwell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ZerlinaMaxwell</a>:<br><br>“The Iowa caucus is the perfect example of systemic racism. 91% of the voters in Iowa are white. The reason why you see a drop in turnout, I’m just speculating here, it could be perhaps that white children are not in the cages...”<a href="https://t.co/OCg2Dg8e7y">pic.twitter.com/OCg2Dg8e7y</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1224746735542657024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

To paraphrase MLK, I have a dream that voters will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.


Van Jones was all over Iowa demographics last night. "How can this state be the first primary when the population doesn't represent the Democratic party? 2% black, 3% hispanic! That's not the democratic party. This can't continue."

YO, Van! Where does the Democratic primary parade goes next? Another "racist state"

New Hampshire
93.2% White
1.7% Black
3.9% Hispanic

If you buy that line of thought, doesn't that make Sanders and Warren both racists by association as their states also have a predominantly white population.

Vermont, Sanders
94.2% White
1.4% Black
2.0% Hispanic

Massachusetts, Warren
93.2% White
1.7% Black
3.9% Hispanic

... and those aren't flyover states.

 

[gkIrish]

There's also tinfoil hat stuff that the app developer is a Buttigieg supporter.

That theory would mean someone would be willing to kill their career and credibility to try and get someone elected. Crazier things have happened but still...