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[drayer54]

A bunch of old judges hear this crazy shit from this freak tomorrow.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

A bunch of old judges hear this crazy shit from this freak tomorrow.

Stupid argument by her. But health care options shouldn't be restricted only because the kid is trans. Options should be available and decision can be made between the family and doctor. There's enough research out that shows puberty blockers and hormones aren't harmful. You wanna block surgeries, that's fine by me but then the same procedures shouldn't be available to non trans kids.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Stupid argument by her. But health care options shouldn't be restricted only because the kid is trans. Options should be available and decision can be made between the family and doctor. There's enough research out that shows puberty blockers and hormones aren't harmful. You wanna block surgeries, that's fine by me but then the same procedures shouldn't be available to non trans kids.

Not sure what procedures you're talking about that shouldn't be available to non trans kids.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Daniel Penny trial has come to an end and the jury is deliberating.

NYC failed Neely. Hopefully they won't fail Penney.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Not sure what procedures you're talking about that shouldn't be available to non trans kids.

Surgeries. There's zero proof that puberty blockers or hormones causes castration, and plenty of proof that you can still get pregnant or impregnate others. And more specifically if a non trans kid can get/receive a mastectomy or anything else (plastic surgery ie nose job) then those some surgery or procedure should be allowed on trans person of the same age.

 

[Irish#1]

Surgeries. There's zero proof that puberty blockers or hormones causes castration, and plenty of proof that you can still get pregnant or impregnate others. And more specifically if a non trans kid can get/receive a mastectomy or anything else (plastic surgery ie nose job) then those some surgery or procedure should be allowed on trans person of the same age.

Why would non-trans kids want to have a mastectomy? I'm fine with withholding plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons unless it's for a deformity.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Why would non-trans kids want to have a mastectomy? I'm fine with withholding plastic surgery for cosmetic reasons unless it's for a deformity.

Young females get it due to excessive breath growth, and and some going males get them for gynecomastia

 

[Bishop2b5]

Young females get it due to excessive breath growth, and and some going males get them for gynecomastia

It's rare, but testicular, ovarian, and breast cancer in very young patients also lead to surgeries similar to gender reassignment procedures. However, saying those shouldn't be available to non trans kids if you're going to ban them for trans kids is a huge stretch. They're being done for totally different reasons. Life saving, medically necessary procedures and therapies in such cases is NOT the same thing as using those same things to alter a minor's body for psychological or cosmetic reasons. We don't generally allow little kids to get rhinoplasty because they don't like their nose. We do, however, perform rhinoplasty on a kid whose nose has been damaged by accident or disease. One's medically necessary, while the other is just a bad idea to perform on someone too young to fully understand what they're doing.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It's rare, but testicular, ovarian, and breast cancer in very young patients also lead to surgeries similar to gender reassignment procedures. However, saying those shouldn't be available to non trans kids if you're going to ban them for trans kids is a huge stretch. They're being done for totally different reasons. Life saving, medically necessary procedures and therapies in such cases is NOT the same thing as using those same things to alter a minor's body for psychological or cosmetic reasons. We don't generally allow little kids to get rhinoplasty because they don't like their nose. We do, however, perform rhinoplasty on a kid whose nose has been damaged by accident or disease. One's medically necessary, while the other is just a bad idea to perform on someone too young to fully understand what they're doing.

The only problem with your argument is the surgeries aren't being performed on people too young to fully understand. I've already posted links regarding an this but surgeries aren't being performed in large numbers and not on you little kids like you frame it. And teenagers have definitely been getting rhinoplastys for non necessary reasonings.

And since everyone likes facts and numbers here are the numbers.

In 2019, the sample included 47 437 919 adults who were insured and 22 827 194 minors who were insured, of which 3 835 726 minors (16.8%) were aged 15 to 17 years, 2 708 166 (11.9%) were aged 13 to 14 years, and 16 283 302 (71.3%) were aged 12 years or younger. The rate of undergoing a gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 5.3 per 100 000 total adults compared with 2.1 per 100 000 minors aged 15 to 17 years, 0.1 per 100 000 minors aged 13 to 14 years, and 0 procedures among minors aged 12 years or younger (Figure 1). Of gender-affirming surgical procedures identified among adults and minors, 1591 of 2664 (59.7%) and 82 of 85 (96.4%) were chest-related procedures, respectively. Of the 636 breast reductions among cisgender male and TGD adults, 507 (80%) were performed on cisgender males. Of the 151 breast reductions among cisgender male minors and TGD minors, 146 (97%) were performed on cisgender male minors (Figure 2).

Prevalence of Gender-Affirming Surgical Procedures Among Minors and Adults in the US

This cross-sectional study uses a national dataset to examine the prevalence of gender-affirming surgical procedures among minors and adults in the US.

jamanetwork.com

 

[Irish#1]

Young females get it due to excessive breath growth, and and some going males get them for gynecomastia

That's addressing things that are more of a deformity and not the same as lopping off the breasts or penis to switch teams.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

That's addressing things that are more of a deformity and not the same as lopping off the breasts or penis to switch teams.

Look at the stats I just posted and read the study. Bottom surgery isnt being performed on minors. So that argument is irrelevant. Zero surgeries performed on anyone under the age of 12. 2.1 per 100000 for ages 15-17 and 0.1 per 100000 for those ages 13-14. 97% of breast reductions for minors were for cisgender males.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[ulukinatme]

I think the more you vilify people like Penny for doing the right thing and potentially saving lives, the more you'll see people refuse to step up when lives are on the line. It leads to a society where people are scared to do anything because they fear legal repercussions. lives are no longer precious. That's what happened in that case of Wang Yue in China several years ago. Little girl was run over by a van, on surveillance video, and 18 people walk by the body without doing anything. People there were afraid because a Good Samaritan was sued for helping in a similar situation. It's a sick society that has such little regard for life.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I think the more you vilify people like Penny for doing the right thing and potentially saving lives, the more you'll see people refuse to step up when lives are on the line. It leads to a society where people are scared to do anything because they fear legal repercussions. lives are no longer precious. That's what happened in that case of Wang Yue in China several years ago. Little girl was run over by a van, on surveillance video, and 18 people walk by the body without doing anything. People there were afraid because a Good Samaritan was sued for helping in a similar situation. It's a sick society that has such little regard for life.

Damage has been done. Nobody will step up now.

 

[Blazers46]

I’ve heard dumb things but exemplifies how people hate the nuclear family.

 

[ulukinatme]

Almost put this in the Funny Pics thread.

 

[Sea Turtle]

A man sets a woman in fire on a NY subway. She burns to death while new Yorkers casually walk by and do nothing.
Absolutely disgusting and horrifying.






The suspect casually got up and walked away. He's still at large.

Daniel Penny effect or are New Yorkers just garbage human beings?

 

[Blazers46]

A man sets a woman in fire on a NY subway. She burns to death while new Yorkers casually walk by and do nothing.
Absolutely disgusting and horrifying.






The suspect casually got up and walked away. He's still at large.

Daniel Penny effect or are New Yorkers just garbage human beings?

You hate to see it. NYC schools have free breakfast, lunch and after school meals…

 

[TorontoGold]

Was he Muslim?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Was he Muslim?

Guatemalan national.

 

[drayer54]

Guatemalan national.

Zero bail? Prob shouldn't press charges in Soros country.

 

[Irish#1]

How can you just stand by and watch? Dude filming could have helped.

 

[calvegas04]

How can you just stand by and watch? Dude filming could have helped.

Should be a crime to film while someone dies when you can help

 

[drayer54]

Left wing policy and judges kill again.

 

[Irish#1]

Should be a crime to film while someone dies when you can help

They caught the guy. The suspect sat down on a bench outside the car to watch her burn. A policeman had turned and fortunately his body cam caught the guys face. When he turned back he had taken off. Looks like some teenagers saw him and reported it to the police.

 

[irishff1014]

A man sets a woman in fire on a NY subway. She burns to death while new Yorkers casually walk by and do nothing.
Absolutely disgusting and horrifying.






The suspect casually got up and walked away. He's still at large.

Daniel Penny effect or are New Yorkers just garbage human beings?

If you can do this to someone you are the Devil.

He should never see a court room.

 

[Sea Turtle]

How can you just stand by and watch? Dude filming could have helped.

She's standing up, on fire and they just watch. The guy who set her on fire then fans the flames with his jacket. Even the policeman just lazily walks by. There are just no words. New Yorkers are just scum.

 

[drayer54]

 

[Sea Turtle]

No human is illegal.

 

[ab2cmiller]

But, who will pick our vegetables and build our homes?