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[Blazers46]

Yes you've just encapsulated the reason a federal minimum wage is needed. Because without it businesses would be stupid not to offer the lowest possible wage they can.

I wish this made sense to further the discussion but it doesn’t.

 

[Irish#1]

2. Where did Ulukinatme or anyone on the other side of the fence say they hate those that are down on their luck? Simply not wanting to support those that choose to maintain that lifestyle doesn't constitute hate.

Kinda gives off that vibe when we're discussing something like raising the minimum wage which would help millions of Americans, help increase families abilities to support themselves, help people afford housing, allow people to afford childcare, etc and the main concern around here is that a side effect is that some lazy poor people also might benefit.

The inference from some on the liberal side is that if you don't support everyone who is "down on their luck", you're a cold hearted bigot. We have a number of liberal posters who have inferred that conservative leaning posters hate everyone who isn't a productive member of society, which just isn't true. One doesn't have to fall lock step into the left thinking to have concern or compassion.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[TorontoGold]

2. Where did Ulukinatme or anyone on the other side of the fence say they hate those that are down on their luck? Simply not wanting to support those that choose to maintain that lifestyle doesn't constitute hate.


The inference from some on the liberal side is that if you don't support everyone who is "down on their luck", you're a cold hearted bigot. We have a number of liberal posters who have inferred that conservative leaning posters hate everyone who isn't a productive member of society, which just isn't true. One doesn't have to fall lock step into the left thinking to have concern or compassion.

So what compassion or concern do you have for good poor people? Leave aside those that are lazy or those from the anecdotal stories. What kind of policies are you in support of that help them?

I think many see the retort's to minimum wage increases or support for government assistance with "well I know of xyz that are taking advantage of the system" as being antagonistic to support those less fortunate.

I could have missed it though.

 

[Blazers46]

So what compassion or concern do you have for good poor people? Leave aside those that are lazy or those from the anecdotal stories. What kind of policies are you in support of that help them?

I think many see the retort's to minimum wage increases or support for government assistance with "well I know of xyz that are taking advantage of the system" as being antagonistic to support those less fortunate.

I could have missed it though.

A good person is a good person.

A person that brings value is a person that brings value.

Two separate things for me. You could be the most morally superior person on the planet but if you do not provide society any value or more importantly your employer much value or if you provide a service or anything that does not provide much value then you should be compensated accordingly.

 

[TorontoGold]

A good person is a good person.

A person that brings value is a person that brings value.

Two separate things for me. You could be the most morally superior person on the planet but if you do not provide society any value or more importantly your employer much value or if you provide a service or anything that does not provide much value then you should be compensated accordingly.

That would be an easy practice to follow if everyone had the same starting point and you could judge the person solely on their own choices. If someone get's a poor spawn point, and is born into a shit situation and can't afford to go to post secondary - in a conservative-lense how do you assist those people? What is the method for helping to get someone to the spot where they can provide value?

 

[Blazers46]

That would be an easy practice to follow if everyone had the same starting point and you could judge the person solely on their own choices. If someone get's a poor spawn point, and is born into a shit situation and can't afford to go to post secondary - in a conservative-lense how do you assist those people? What is the method for helping to get someone to the spot where they can provide value?

Tuition-free: Indiana's 21st Century Scholars program could double this year

Will auto-enrolling eligible kids in 21st Century Scholars fix the state's college-going problem?

www.indystar.com

It’s actually a very good program that I took advantage of as someone born to a shit situation.

There are plenty of options and programs.

 

[TorontoGold]

Tuition-free: Indiana's 21st Century Scholars program could double this year

Will auto-enrolling eligible kids in 21st Century Scholars fix the state's college-going problem?

www.indystar.com

It’s actually a very good program that I took advantage of as someone born to a shit situation.

There are plenty of options and programs.

Looks like a great system and I would agree that advocating for more access and assistance to those less fortunate for higher education is good.

I just don't know how you can convince Republicans and some Dems that this is the way to go.

I took a course on this in university and it was found that it was cheaper and more impactful to have earlier intervention - than offering subsidized post secondary. The economic's of it were that you're allocating resources to more people (kindergarten aged kids vs those with the grades to go to past high school), and the remedies were cheaper (things like free breakfast/lunch vs a 4 year degree).

I don't know where I stand on it but either choice seems better than nothing.

 

[Blazers46]

Looks like a great system and I would agree that advocating for more access and assistance to those less fortunate for higher education is good.

I just don't know how you can convince Republicans and some Dems that this is the way to go.

I took a course on this in university and it was found that it was cheaper and more impactful to have earlier intervention - than offering subsidized post secondary. The economic's of it were that you're allocating resources to more people (kindergarten aged kids vs those with the grades to go to past high school), and the remedies were cheaper (things like free breakfast/lunch vs a 4 year degree).

I don't know where I stand on it but either choice seems better than nothing.

23 of 50 states do something similar. There are also tons of schollys and grants in other states to subsidize. Student loans they hand out to anyone willing to give a ss#. Military is an option…. I can go on and on.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Some good culture here.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can answer the guys question though. Nobody helped her because:

1. Daniel Penny being arrested.
2. The two guys in white would jump in making it 3 on 1which would require a gun. So you get beat to death or see number 1.

Fucking savage.

 

[Blazers46]

I can answer the guys question though. Nobody helped her because:

1. Daniel Penny being arrested.
2. The two guys in white would jump in making it 3 on 1which would require a gun. So you get beat to death or see number 1.

Fucking savage.

If she only made $20/hr…

 

[Irish#1]

So what compassion or concern do you have for good poor people? Leave aside those that are lazy or those from the anecdotal stories. What kind of policies are you in support of that help them?

I think many see the retort's to minimum wage increases or support for government assistance with "well I know of xyz that are taking advantage of the system" as being antagonistic to support those less fortunate.

I could have missed it though.

Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

My compassion? lol.........Besides giving monthly to a couple of charities, we buy Christmas presents for less fortunate families. We buy food and supplies for a women's shelter called The Desert Rose. A couple of years back, we had a dresser posted for sale. When the girl (don't tell anyone that she was black) showed up to buy it and we found out her situation, we gave her the dresser and several other pieces of furniture to help her out.

As far as programs or policies, I would work with the local colleges or unions to offer free classes or training. Then I'd work closely with the local businesses to hire theme, offer a bonus or tax rebate for hiring a person who came through the program and received a degree or certification. Provide free bus transportation to get to work. Hook them up with the local pantry to provide food.

 

[TorontoGold]

Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

My compassion? lol.........Besides giving monthly to a couple of charities, we buy Christmas presents for less fortunate families. We buy food and supplies for a women's shelter called The Desert Rose. A couple of years back, we had a dresser posted for sale. When the girl (don't tell anyone that she was black) showed up to buy it and we found out her situation, we gave her the dresser and several other pieces of furniture to help her out.

As far as programs or policies, I would work with the local colleges or unions to offer free classes or training. Then I'd work closely with the local businesses to hire theme, offer a bonus or tax rebate for hiring a person who came through the program and received a degree or certification. Provide free bus transportation to get to work. Hook them up with the local pantry to provide food.

What does "working with x/y/z" entail? Is that advocating for increased funding towards programs that will provide colleges/businesses/transportation agencies/food pantries?

I don't think every business or individual is as generous as you are with your excess goods/funds.

 

[Irish#1]

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[Irish#1]

What does "working with x/y/z" entail? Is that advocating for increased funding towards programs that will provide colleges/businesses/transportation agencies/food pantries?

I don't think every business or individual is as generous as you are with your excess goods/funds.

You asked and I gave examples. I'm not going into the vortex.

As far as our "generous excess", no need to be condescending. It cost us very little in the grand scheme of things. Your reply insinuated that you question or doubt what my wife and I do. It's not excessive and probably pales in comparison to most other individuals. It certainly isn't in the same category as what a business does.

 

[TorontoGold]

You asked and I gave examples. I'm not going into the vortex.

As far as our "generous excess", no need to be condescending. It cost us very little in the grand scheme of things. Your reply insinuated that you question or doubt what my wife and I do. It's not excessive and probably pales in comparison to most other individuals. It certainly isn't in the same category as what a business does.

I am asking what specifically it means to "work with". If you don't want to go into it, that's your prerogative. I'm trying to stick to the black and white vs trending off into anecdotal and personal back and forths.

I was sincere when I said generous excess, I tried to use language that wouldn't be taken personally - since you can't really measure charitable activities.

My overarching point is that if society is becoming more individualistic as some have said relying on people as generous as you are is not going to lead to a good result. Many will not act in the same way as you have and throw out anything they don't want anymore. Which is why I was curious as to what "working with businesses" would entail since they have a singular motive to make as much money as possible so anything that takes away from that will not be done without a push.

 

[Irish#1]

I am asking what specifically it means to "work with". If you don't want to go into it, that's your prerogative. I'm trying to stick to the black and white vs trending off into anecdotal and personal back and forths.

I was sincere when I said generous excess, I tried to use language that wouldn't be taken personally - since you can't really measure charitable activities.

My overarching point is that if society is becoming more individualistic as some have said relying on people as generous as you are is not going to lead to a good result. Many will not act in the same way as you have and throw out anything they don't want anymore. Which is why I was curious as to what "working with businesses" would entail since they have a singular motive to make as much money as possible so anything that takes away from that will not be done without a push.

"Working with" is a government agency or something like a non-profit that works with the local governments backing to bring those businesses and services together to map out a plan of support and funding. TBH, I think many businesses are happy to contribute as long as they are profitable. If they need a push, they need a push. The money still spends the same.

As far as excess, then my apologies. I took it different than what you intended.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So, so, so incredibly true:

 

[Blazers46]

What does "working with x/y/z" entail? Is that advocating for increased funding towards programs that will provide colleges/businesses/transportation agencies/food pantries?

I don't think every business or individual is as generous as you are with your excess goods/funds.

Actions > Funding. I think it’s troubling that the person questioning what people are doing just advocates we throw money at things. That is what is wrong with “helping”. Let’s just advocate that other people do things… it’s very dumb and counterproductive in my opinion. Time is a much more valuable thing and it makes it more personal on both ends.

I just saw a young woman at the gym that told me her story about how great her and mom are doing after I “worked with” them and helped her mother battle drug addiction and “worked with” them to get them out of a very bad domestic situation 10 years ago. Mom is still battling but the young woman just graduated from college and is headed to the Air Force.

I know, another stupid anecdote…

 

[TorontoGold]

Actions > Funding. I think it’s troubling that the person questioning what people are doing just advocates we throw money at things. That is what is wrong with “helping”. Let’s just advocate that other people do things… it’s very dumb and counterproductive in my opinion. Time is a much more valuable thing and it makes it more personal on both ends.

I just saw a young woman at the gym that told me her story about how great her and mom are doing after I “worked with” them and helped her mother battle drug addiction and “worked with” them to get them out of a very bad domestic situation 10 years ago. Mom is still battling but the young woman just graduated from college and is headed to the Air Force.

I know, another stupid anecdote…

My point was actions need funding. Additionally, I didn't suggest throwing "money" at them. No statistically meaningful things happen with just a handful of people doing "things". Relying on people to emulate what you/#1/me do isn't a recipe for success.


If you believe that society is becoming more individualistic then I don't see how relying on the actions of people to help those in need is going to work.

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[IrishLax]

This is going to be a case study in branding/marketing classes for years to come. Bud Light spent decades crafting a brand around light hearted good times and then destroyed it with one poorly selected Instagram influencer.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ohhhhh that’s why they’re doing the $15 rebate.


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[Blazers46]

My point was actions need funding. Additionally, I didn't suggest throwing "money" at them. No statistically meaningful things happen with just a handful of people doing "things". Relying on people to emulate what you/#1/me do isn't a recipe for success.


If you believe that society is becoming more individualistic then I don't see how relying on the actions of people to help those in need is going to work.

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The beauty is actions don’t need funding.

 

[Blazers46]

This is going to be a case study in branding/marketing classes for years to come. Bud Light spent decades crafting a brand around light hearted good times and then destroyed it with one poorly selected Instagram influencer.

Walked along the river today only to see people living under a bridge with multiple packs of Budweiser. Then I hear distantly “can you spare a few bucks”… yeah sure 😂

 

[ulukinatme]

This is going to be a case study in branding/marketing classes for years to come. Bud Light spent decades crafting a brand around light hearted good times and then destroyed it with one poorly selected Instagram influencer.

When pictures of prices first started going up there were naysayers that called them 'Shopped. They really are rebating $15 a case though. It really is wild from a marketing standpoint how fast one incident has harmed a profitable product.

Bud Light On Us Rebate

www.budlight.com

 

[Irish#1]

Now they’ve partnered with Harley Davidson to see if the can reverse the damage. They must be paying HD a pretty good chunk of change to use their name. I guess HD doesn’t think the association will hurt them. Also coming out with a camo can.

Budweiser team with Harley Davidson for manly ad after Bud Light anger

Budweiser has teamed up with Harley-Davidson for a macho commercial that includes beer cans emblazoned with the motorcycle-maker's logo.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Irish#1]

Post-backlash, trans athletes are no-shows for state track meet

Transgender high school athletes have come under fire recently amid a wave of legislation targeting those who identify as a different gender.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[GATTACA!]

Post-backlash, trans athletes are no-shows for state track meet

Transgender high school athletes have come under fire recently amid a wave of legislation targeting those who identify as a different gender.

www.newsnationnow.com

Why are they anti-trans activists and not pro female rights activists?

 

[TorontoGold]

Why are they anti-trans activists and not pro female rights activists?

Feminism is very bad!

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