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Was recently in Oyster Point in SF. No homeless, no feces on sidewalks, no used syringes. Pretty nice & upscale.
Yeah, the propaganda being peddled by the outrage machine at Fox/right wing media on this issue is strange.

Having lived in the Bay Area I can say with absolute certainty that it is safer and more yuppie upscale than is has ever been.

In the 80’s places like the Vats (an abandoned brewery that served as a biker meth lab and a place for punk/hardcore shows) were pretty common.

In Oakland this bar called Eggberts used to be a hangout for the local hustlers and gangsters. It’s now a hipster bar.

You wanna see a completely shit city? Go to Kevin Mcarthys district and take a drive around Bakersfield. I grew up down by there and the last time I drove through there much of it looked like a set piece from the Walking Dead.
 

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Kid has some anger management issues.

I believe it’s an entitlement issue, which then led to being angry… which then you have to question his coping skills and his reaction to said anger as well as his value system of valuing his Nintendo more than another humans safely.
 

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He’ll be back. No consequences. He’ll be out on no bail and no punishment from a weak prosecutor before he really hurts someone and then we’ll call for tougher laws and criticize the arresting officer.

Wouldn’t surprise me.
 

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He’ll be back. No consequences. He’ll be out on no bail and no punishment from a weak prosecutor before he really hurts someone and then we’ll call for tougher laws and criticize the arresting officer.
Lots of commenters asked why the person filming the murder didn’t intervene. Half the responses seemed to be the following: A Soros funded DA would’ve had the cop or Good Samaritan locked up for life while the murderer collected a payout.
 

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"Hastings was charged with special-circumstance murder, and the district attorney’s office sought the death penalty, but the jury deadlocked. A second jury convicted him, and he was sentenced in 1988 to life in prison without possibility of parole."

This type of case is a big reason why I am against the death penalty and support removing people from society for the rest of their natural life instead.

One person wrongfully killed for a crime they did not commit by the state is too many.
 

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Yeah, the propaganda being peddled by the outrage machine at Fox/right wing media on this issue is strange.

Having lived in the Bay Area I can say with absolute certainty that it is safer and more yuppie upscale than is has ever been.

In the 80’s places like the Vats (an abandoned brewery that served as a biker meth lab and a place for punk/hardcore shows) were pretty common.

In Oakland this bar called Eggberts used to be a hangout for the local hustlers and gangsters. It’s now a hipster bar.

You wanna see a completely shit city? Go to Kevin Mcarthys district and take a drive around Bakersfield. I grew up down by there and the last time I drove through there much of it looked like a set piece from the Walking Dead.
I don't know how much you actually got to see SF recently but I go out there a few times/year for work and if you go anywhere near the tenderloin, I'll guarantee you'll hear countless homeless people screaming and will undoubtedly step in human shit if you don't watch your feet actively.

There are nicer areas of SF where you won't see that but less areas are immune than they were even 10 years ago. This is not propaganda, at least insofar as it's the worst homeless population I've ever seen (admittedly I haven't been to Pittsburgh). They have huge homeless camps near some of our work buildings in the Mission district as well.

Maybe that's not so bad to some of you or you've had more exposure to the homeless.
 

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I don't know how much you actually got to see SF recently but I go out there a few times/year for work and if you go anywhere near the tenderloin, I'll guarantee you'll hear countless homeless people screaming and will undoubtedly step in human shit if you don't watch your feet actively.

There are nicer areas of SF where you won't see that but less areas are immune than they were even 10 years ago. This is not propaganda, at least insofar as it's the worst homeless population I've ever seen (admittedly I haven't been to Pittsburgh). They have huge homeless camps near some of our work buildings in the Mission district as well.

Maybe that's not so bad to some of you or you've had more exposure to the homeless.
Every city has their bad areas. The tenderloin has been bad for several decades. And if you think SF’s homeless population is bad (it is), you should see LA. Skid Row:downtown is pretty rough. They have an estimated 60k homeless.
 

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Every city has their bad areas. The tenderloin has been bad for several decades. And if you think SF’s homeless population is bad (it is), you should see LA. Skid Row:downtown is pretty rough. They have an estimated 60k homeless.
I didn't read the Fox article so I don't know if it was outlandish or not but I can see SF's homeless population as really bad but apparently LA is even worse. (I haven't been to LA)
 

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My son was in Seattle for work a few years ago. He was walking downtown with some co-workers and went to give a homeless guy $5. The homeless guy started yelling at him for not giving more.

Every city has the good and bad sides. It's not surprising that LA's is that large given the population.
 

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Yeah, the propaganda being peddled by the outrage machine at Fox/right wing media on this issue is strange.

Having lived in the Bay Area I can say with absolute certainty that it is safer and more yuppie upscale than is has ever been.

In the 80’s places like the Vats (an abandoned brewery that served as a biker meth lab and a place for punk/hardcore shows) were pretty common.

In Oakland this bar called Eggberts used to be a hangout for the local hustlers and gangsters. It’s now a hipster bar.

You wanna see a completely shit city? Go to Kevin Mcarthys district and take a drive around Bakersfield. I grew up down by there and the last time I drove through there much of it looked like a set piece from the Walking Dead.
I don’t get my news from Fox..or CNN…or MSNBC…or MSM. I do see a lot of videos that local activists shoot & narrate w/ their camera phones showing fentanyl users, used syringes on the sidewalk & trash bags full of human feces. Same goes for the videos of folks walking into a CVS, taking what they want & walking out w/ no threat of apprehension. I don’t give a Fiddler’s Fuck what your politics are…that shit will just get worse if it’s allowed to continue.

Serious question: how does Oyster Point keep the homeless away?

Also, what’s Geary Street like today? I heard Lefty O’Doul’s closed and that it has really deteriorated since I was last there in the early 2000s.
 
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My son was in Seattle for work a few years ago. He was walking downtown with some co-workers and went to give a homeless guy $5. The homeless guy started yelling at him for not giving more.

Every city has the good and bad sides. It's not surprising that LA's is that large given the population.
I've been to both LA and Seattle a couple of times in the past few months. I assume it was a case of not visiting the right areas, but I never saw any of the homeless in LA, but in Seattle, they're flippin' everywhere. Tent cities all over the place along the Interstate and in the parks. They've taken over a lot of Seattle.
 

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Just got back from a short trip to ATL……surprised to see that there is noticeably more homeless folks around the downtown areas. I also noticed a huge increase of tagging around many areas that never had it before. Even bridges and overpasses in the 75/85 corridor have been hit. Several of the businesses I visited have switched to cashless pay to help improve safety and reduce crime. There was quite a push in the city to defund the police the past couple of years and I believe the repercussions of that are showing to some extent. One of the more affluent neighborhoods in the city (Buckhead, which accounts for almost 40% of the tax base but much less from a population standpoint) has been working to annex themselves into their own city due to crime problems and reduced police presence.
 

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I don't know how much you actually got to see SF recently but I go out there a few times/year for work and if you go anywhere near the tenderloin, I'll guarantee you'll hear countless homeless people screaming and will undoubtedly step in human shit if you don't watch your feet actively.

There are nicer areas of SF where you won't see that but less areas are immune than they were even 10 years ago. This is not propaganda, at least insofar as it's the worst homeless population I've ever seen (admittedly I haven't been to Pittsburgh). They have huge homeless camps near some of our work buildings in the Mission district as well.

Maybe that's not so bad to some of you or you've had more exposure to the homeless.
My wife owns a restaurant in the City. This perception of “bad” is relative. I go there every once in awhile. Compared to the late 80’s what you are seeing and experiencing in SF isn’t that bad.

Upper Haight, Lower Haight, the Mission, Dogpatch, Mission Bay and Bay View all were total dumps. Some of those areas were also way more violent. I had people pull guns on me, got chased for wearing the wrong colors, ect… in some of those areas back in the early 90’s. Yeah, people were shitting in the street back then too. Social Media just amplifies this stuff and yeah it can be shocking if you’ve never spent a lot of time in an urban environment.

Last time I went to the City I found parking relatively easily on Lower Haight when I went to the Toronado. That area is day and night from when the corner boys from the projects on Haight and Webster used to brawl with the cops. Lol.
 
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I don’t get my news from Fox..or CNN…or MSNBC…or MSM. I do see a lot of videos that local activists shoot & narrate w/ their camera phones showing fentanyl users, used syringes on the sidewalk & trash bags full of human feces. Same goes for the videos of folks walking into a CVS, taking what they want & walking out w/ no threat of apprehension. I don’t give a Fiddler’s Fuck what your politics are…that shit will just get worse if it’s allowed to continue.

Serious question: how does Oyster Point keep the homeless away?

Also, what’s Geary Street like today? I heard Lefty O’Doul’s closed and that it has really deteriorated since I was last there in the early 2000s.
Anybody with a cellphone and a Twitter account can amplify whatever it is they choose to focus on. The City is considerably safer and cleaner than when I lived there. The smash and grab, CVS robbing shit that went down wasn’t random. It was organized. Pretty sure a large operation just recently got busted.

Oyster Point is more South City. Not actually part of SF City or County. Kinda disconnected physically.

Haven’t been to anything on Geary in awhile so couldn’t tell you. Gotta get back to Tradr Sam though. That place rules!
 
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Every city has their bad areas. The tenderloin has been bad for several decades. And if you think SF’s homeless population is bad (it is), you should see LA. Skid Row:downtown is pretty rough. They have an estimated 60k homeless.
Skid Row has been bad since time immemorial. Bukowski made his whole career writing about it.
 

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Do we have a homeless problem or is it a symptom of a mental illness and drug addiction problem?
Those contribute to the problem for sure. So do things like short term rentals (Airbnb), private equity moving into housing as an investment and the super wealthy buying multiple homes that they visit maybe a couple times a year. All that is a big problem in the area I live in that has become a tourist destination.
 
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Those contribute to the problem for sure. So do things like short term rentals (Airbnb), private equity moving into housing as an investment and the super wealthy buying multiple homes that they visit maybe a couple times a year. All that is a big problem in the area I live in that has become a tourist destination.
So help me with this thinking because i've heard it floated by another person. So when people can't afford homes in high cost of living areas they just transition to the street?

That doesn't seem to be a true storyline for people when there are other options. People can move to lower COL areas or look for different jobs, or lean on family or friends or I'm guessing many other options I've not had to consider. This is not aimed at anyone and it excludes the mentally ill and drug-addicted (and they aren't mutually exclusive obviously).

I live in a very low COL area so I'm not exposed to the homeless situations of big cities often (work trips or vacations) so perhaps I'm just shielded from the harsh reality that someone has their rent raised in LA or SF or NY and instead of moving or working more or looking for a higher paid position, they just transition to the homeless life.
 

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Do we have a homeless problem or is it a symptom of a mental illness and drug addiction problem?
We can go on for days with that tree... mental illness and drug addiction stem from other issues or trauma.
 

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So help me with this thinking because i've heard it floated by another person. So when people can't afford homes in high cost of living areas they just transition to the street?

That doesn't seem to be a true storyline for people when there are other options. People can move to lower COL areas or look for different jobs, or lean on family or friends or I'm guessing many other options I've not had to consider. This is not aimed at anyone and it excludes the mentally ill and drug-addicted (and they aren't mutually exclusive obviously).

I live in a very low COL area so I'm not exposed to the homeless situations of big cities often (work trips or vacations) so perhaps I'm just shielded from the harsh reality that someone has their rent raised in LA or SF or NY and instead of moving or working more or looking for a higher paid position, they just transition to the homeless life.
Some people absolutely simply transition to the streets. With SF and LA in particular based on my experience a number of the young people who move there are from marginalized groups (gay and trans) and or dysfunctional family situations. So that plays a factor in terms of some of the family support networks.

If you’re living paycheck to paycheck to begin with and couch surfing, staying with friends, the person who’s your roommate who holds the lease decides to leave or the building sells there’s a high probability that you’re screwed and it’s gonna be awhile before you find a place to live let alone save up enough to pay for first and last on a new place and or be able to relocate to another area.

Case in point, I lived in my truck for about 6 months at one point before finding a place to live in the 90’s. It wasn’t a big deal for me personally in that I had a full time job, a gym membership, wasn’t into partying and spent most of my free time surfing or playing in bands. So I always had a decent chunk of change in the bank and I kept my personal stuff (instruments and records mostly) at our practice space. I suppose this makes me IE’s resident hobo. Lol.

Anyhow, some of the ways people dealt with housing in the past in SF and NY was to squat in abandoned buildings and or convert old warehouse spaces into living spaces. Both used to be pretty common in SF and NY. Nobody paid those things much attention when the property values and or rental makets for those were in the dumps but as those places become more valuable people began paying attention to those spaces and that was that.

There was also a whole area in China Basin that used to be an encampment where people lived in RV’s and cars. I believe that’s where the big biomedical research area is now.
 
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