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[NorthDakota]

Part of having a function brain, is that you and I can look at the Daniel Shaver incident and realize that it is pretty horrific. This is not a zero sum game. Holding people accountable does not all of a sudden mean someone gets off for something else. Don't you worry, us white people will be just fine I can promise you that.

If hearing about a black person being killed your first instinct is to feel defensive - that's a deeper issue than "stats".

Are you asking if there are support groups for victims of domestic abuse? Because I can 100% promise you there is.

Yeah those uppity black folk and their "agenda", I guess their agenda is "please don't kill me".

Eh...the media covers black folks getting killed by police pretty regularly. But a white guy getting killed by police isn't going to get national coverage. So I won't get defensive, but I'll usually roll my eyes.

The big reason the agenda is "please don't kill me" is because people are told by the media/BLM that the police are going to kill them.

I'm not gonna claim that black folks have it great when it comes to policing and that there are probably ways to do better there, unarmed and armed people alike of any color shouldn't lose any sleep at the thought of being killed by police.

 

[tussin]

I saw this was bumped and assumed it was about "WAP" not only being performed but also widely celebrated in the media as the high point of the Grammy's last night.

 

[Rogue219]

Fox News thinks Generation X needs to save society from "Cancel Culture."

As a proud spokesperson for Gen X, please allow me to say Fox News can fuck off.

Happy Monday.

 

[Blazers46]

1. Part of having a function brain, is that you and I can look at the Daniel Shaver incident and realize that it is pretty horrific. This is not a zero sum game. Holding people accountable does not all of a sudden mean someone gets off for something else. Don't you worry, us white people will be just fine I can promise you that.

2. If hearing about a black person being killed your first instinct is to feel defensive - that's a deeper issue than "stats".

3. Are you asking if there are support groups for victims of domestic abuse? Because I can 100% promise you there is.

4. Yeah those uppity black folk and their "agenda", I guess their agenda is "please don't kill me".

1. Please tell me the reason and justification there is more press and outrage over the Floyd case over the Shaver case. And after you tell me the only real difference is Floyd was black and Shaver was white tell me what actions and groups went to bat for Shaver... or does his life matter less? This goes beyong holding people accountable. The politics and policies tied to the perceived amount of racism is what is at play. BLM/Antifa/Leftist insurrections all over the country are excused because of the events tied to Floyd/Taylor while its a just a horrific incident in the Shaver case. Also you say "us white people will be just fine I can promise you that." What evidence do you have to support that? Shaver would not think so.

2. I think this is a leftist talking point you just sort of snuck in here with no ryhme or reason. But I hear you, I have issues because I merely disagree with you and being defensive is my first instinct because you said so. This is text book. You can say I have issues (insinuating I am racist probably because its in your leftist toolbag) and you can tell me how I feel and when I feel those feels... amazing what leftist superpowers you have, I am jelly.

3. You are putting "words in my mouth". You are being disingenuous to wives of officers. You argue black people are treated differently by police hence BLM and other groups being justified but also argue wives of officers are abused at a higher rate and treated differently than a normal wife as well but you are just happy with a support group. Maybe black people just need a support group with that logic.

4. The actual number of black people killed by police is so small you could make the argument that Police really suck at killing black people if the end goal of the systemic racism is to kill the "uppity black folk". If you look at crime rates and types of crime rates by demographic any logical person would summise that different types of police contacts are more likely to have different outcomes.

 

[TorontoGold]

1. Measuring press coverage/outrage is something we simply can't do. I can promise you though, that people on the Left were certainly appalled with what happened with Daniel Shaver. Part of the whole "police reform" message is that it's not just black people but also for everyone in general. Again, I'll say it again, this is not a zero sum game. To your last point I'm glad you're agreeing that police reform is necessary. My comment was more to your fears that white people are getting left behind in any sort of police brutality issues.

2. Totally not defensive lol.

3. .....what? You made a claim that there isn't any " x abuse lives matter" groups, I said there are support groups. These groups advocate for better treatment, support, and lobby on behalf of these people in a similar yet much less abrasive way than BLM.

4. Police reform is more than just about getting killed, you know that though.

Anyways - I hope police relations improve for each race and not just mine.

 

[Rogue219]

I always assumed people knew that publishers stop publishing books all of the time. That and Hasbro basically has the Mr and Mrs parts still available but are just making one Potato Head now.

I also assumed I wasn't the only one who was told to say Freedom Fries instead of French Fries.

The faux grievance and pearl clutching is exhausting. It's why when I get vaccinated I am still planning to stay home.

 

[ulukinatme]

A quarter of the way through the year and 132 people have been fatally shot by police in 2021. 16 have been black. Those numbers are pretty consistent and close to the ratio of 12% of African Americans represented in this country, almost exactly.

Is there racism in police forces? I'm sure there is, just like anywhere else. Systemic widespread racism? I don't think so. A handful of unfortunate deaths have been played up by the media to make it seem as if they're widely and disproportionately being killed by police. They're fueling the outrage which is rather misplaced for the most part.

What is disproportionate are the homicides in general...in 2019 among the 13,927 murders here 7,484 were African Americans. Typically the victim and offender are not of different skin colors, and that goes both ways. Why isn't BLM up in arms over the loss of lives committed by their own? Every year many, many more lives are lost in their own community than what is lost to police shootings (Many of which are justified and not contentious). Everyone is silent on that topic.

 

[Blazers46]

1. Measuring press coverage/outrage is something we simply can't do. I can promise you though, that people on the Left were certainly appalled with what happened with Daniel Shaver. Part of the whole "police reform" message is that it's not just black people but also for everyone in general. Again, I'll say it again, this is not a zero sum game. To your last point I'm glad you're agreeing that police reform is necessary. My comment was more to your fears that white people are getting left behind in any sort of police brutality issues.

2. Totally not defensive lol.

3. .....what? You made a claim that there isn't any " x abuse lives matter" groups, I said there are support groups. These groups advocate for better treatment, support, and lobby on behalf of these people in a similar yet much less abrasive way than BLM.

4. Police reform is more than just about getting killed, you know that though.

Anyways - I hope police relations improve for each race and not just mine.

1. Sure we can. But I guess we can't if it doesn't benefit your argument.

2. whatevs

3. You obviously do not know what a support group is. By your logic BLM is a support group. I was saying there are no police wives matter groups in comparison to a BLM group. I was being sort of facetious and rhetorical. There are no groups like this because politically its not relevant for any side of he isle.

4. You are moving the goal posts... you sarcasically said "Yeah those uppity black folk and their "agenda", I guess their agenda is "please don't kill me". I responded to that.

 

[Blazers46]

A quarter of the way through the year and 132 people have been fatally shot by police in 2021. 16 have been black. Those numbers are pretty consistent and close to the ratio of 12% of African Americans represented in this country, almost exactly.

Is there racism in police forces? I'm sure there is, just like anywhere else. Systemic widespread racism? I don't think so. A handful of unfortunate deaths have been played up by the media to make it seem as if they're widely and disproportionately being killed by police. They're fueling the outrage which is rather misplaced for the most part.

What is disproportionate are the homicides in general...in 2019 among the 13,927 murders here 7,484 were African Americans. Typically the victim and offender are not of different skin colors, and that goes both ways. Why isn't BLM up in arms over the loss of lives committed by their own? Every year many, many more lives are lost in their own community than what is lost to police shootings (Many of which are justified and not contentious). Everyone is silent on that topic.

You can't talk about black on black crime, thats racist.

13% of the population and way over 50% of the homicides, ouch. And to boot I would guess the vast majority (like I stated above) is comitted by males so you could make the argument that black men make up about 8% of the populatin but over 50% of the homicides. But inconvenient stats are racist and sexist so lets not use them.

 

[NorthDakota]

I see the Pope brought out the bigots today lol.

Anti-Catholic bigotry isn't as ugly as Anti-Semitism and never will be.. but it is fascinating how folks left, right, and center all have their share of #VaticAnon types.

One day, the Dems are warning us about how Amy Coney Barrett is going to use the judiciary to make the country subservient to the Vatican (a boy could dream). The next they are telling us that Joe Biden is "devout" and thats a good thing. Its beyond common to hear Dems claim its time to tax the church anytime the Pope or Church makes a statement they do not like. A day later they'll be doing "Yass Francisssss"

five years ago, Steve Bannon made it pretty clear the populist right isn't too keen on Catholics because the church supports immigration, I think the comment was about "Mexicans filling church pews and coffers" or something. Then other nativist types will make similar goofy WASP arguments.

We get the pedophile shit regularly too, but the Church kinda brought that on themselves.

Today was particularly strange. Anyone with even a basic understanding of the Church knows the Church doesn't support gay marriage or abortion. Hell, the Church can even be tough on divorce. So why express some big moral outrage when the Vatican does precisely what we all suspected they'd do by saying they won't bless gay marriages? I'm sure if I ran down to daily Mass tomorrow and asked the father not to forgive that I have had premarital sex, but to actually bless the ACT of me doing so?

For anyone who read the letter, the point seemed to be "we love everyone and everyone can be blessed, but we don't bless a sin."

Its weird seeing how broken people get over the Catholic church. Today it was the Dems, tomorrow it will be the GOP. Just truly weird stuff.

 

[Irish#1]

1. Measuring press coverage/outrage is something we simply can't do. I can promise you though, that people on the Left were certainly appalled with what happened with Daniel Shaver. Part of the whole "police reform" message is that it's not just black people but also for everyone in general. Again, I'll say it again, this is not a zero sum game. To your last point I'm glad you're agreeing that police reform is necessary. My comment was more to your fears that white people are getting left behind in any sort of police brutality issues.

2. Totally not defensive lol.

3. .....what? You made a claim that there isn't any " x abuse lives matter" groups, I said there are support groups. These groups advocate for better treatment, support, and lobby on behalf of these people in a similar yet much less abrasive way than BLM.

4. Police reform is more than just about getting killed, you know that though.

Anyways - I hope police relations improve for each race and not just mine.

Coverage and protest of this was pretty minimal compared to Floyd. It shouldn't be measured by the reactions of people and media coverage, but it appears that's the only thing we have to gauge how appalled or outraged people are.

 

[GowerND11]

I see the Pope brought out the bigots today lol.

Anti-Catholic bigotry isn't as ugly as Anti-Semitism and never will be.. but it is fascinating how folks left, right, and center all have their share of #VaticAnon types.

One day, the Dems are warning us about how Amy Coney Barrett is going to use the judiciary to make the country subservient to the Vatican (a boy could dream). The next they are telling us that Joe Biden is "devout" and thats a good thing. Its beyond common to hear Dems claim its time to tax the church anytime the Pope or Church makes a statement they do not like. A day later they'll be doing "Yass Francisssss"

five years ago, Steve Bannon made it pretty clear the populist right isn't too keen on Catholics because the church supports immigration, I think the comment was about "Mexicans filling church pews and coffers" or something. Then other nativist types will make similar goofy WASP arguments.

We get the pedophile shit regularly too, but the Church kinda brought that on themselves.

Today was particularly strange. Anyone with even a basic understanding of the Church knows the Church doesn't support gay marriage or abortion. Hell, the Church can even be tough on divorce. So why express some big moral outrage when the Vatican does precisely what we all suspected they'd do by saying they won't bless gay marriages? I'm sure if I ran down to daily Mass tomorrow and asked the father not to forgive that I have had premarital sex, but to actually bless the ACT of me doing so?

For anyone who read the letter, the point seemed to be "we love everyone and everyone can be blessed, but we don't bless a sin."

Its weird seeing how broken people get over the Catholic church. Today it was the Dems, tomorrow it will be the GOP. Just truly weird stuff.

This. I laughed yesterday when I saw people were upset. I mean, what did you expect? Never has the Vatican said they would even consider blessing gay marriages. All they have ever said (and it's a good, virtuous thing) is that we must love them, treat them with respect as peoples, and not to throw them away/out of our homes or families. I mean it's literally all about compassion and being good Christians.

Meanwhile, the woke left somehow thought that would lead to an unheard of shift in Catholic teachings and dogma. Then, when they don't get their way, it's right back to the anti-Catholic bigotry we all know and love.

 

[Blazers46]

Part of having a function brain, is that you and I can look at the Daniel Shaver incident and realize that it is pretty horrific. This is not a zero sum game. Holding people accountable does not all of a sudden mean someone gets off for something else. Don't you worry, us white people will be just fine I can promise you that.

If hearing about a black person being killed your first instinct is to feel defensive - that's a deeper issue than "stats".

Are you asking if there are support groups for victims of domestic abuse? Because I can 100% promise you there is.

Yeah those uppity black folk and their "agenda", I guess their agenda is "please don't kill me".

Playing Psaki here and "circling back".

The Atlanta Spa shooting (surprised nobody has brought it up on the boards yet) is a perfect example of why people do get defensive in the immediate aftermath of a "racial" shooting. No evidence of racism at all, the shooter says exactly why he did it, story pretty much backed up by friends, family, church, and others he was in therapy with but here we are playing the race game again.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Playing Psaki here and "circling back".

The Atlanta Spa shooting (surprised nobody has brought it up on the boards yet) is a perfect example of why people do get defensive in the immediate aftermath of a "racial" shooting. No evidence of racism at all, the shooter says exactly why he did it, story pretty much backed up by friends, family, church, and others he was in therapy with but here we are playing the race game again.

I believe that argument is that he fetishized the workers' race

 

[Blazers46]

I believe that argument is that he fetishized the workers' race

But did he?

I have just read he went to these places because he saw them as a cleaner and safer alternative than a corner prostitute.

 

[TorontoGold]

Playing Psaki here and "circling back".

The Atlanta Spa shooting (surprised nobody has brought it up on the boards yet) is a perfect example of why people do get defensive in the immediate aftermath of a "racial" shooting. No evidence of racism at all, the shooter says exactly why he did it, story pretty much backed up by friends, family, church, and others he was in therapy with but here we are playing the race game again.

I'm sorry that six Asian women dying, and people calling it a hate crime is making you defensive. Might be time for some introspection if your reaction is to this is to justify why people would be defensive with it.

 

[drayer54]

I'm sorry that six Asian women dying, and people calling it a hate crime is making you defensive. Might be time for some introspection if your reaction is to this is to justify why people would be defensive with it.

If it was a hate crime, then it should be a hate crime. If it's not a hate crime, then it's not. What is frustrating is people who know equally little about the details of this event Rupar'ing it and trying to turn it into something that fits a narrative. The point is that people politicized this event right away to their narrative before any facts supported it and now people act like it's just ugly to question that. No, it's fair to question the story delivery.

 

[TorontoGold]

If it was a hate crime, then it should be a hate crime. If it's not a hate crime, then it's not. What is frustrating is people who know equally little about the details of this event Rupar'ing it and trying to turn it into something that fits a narrative. The point is that people politicized this event right away to their narrative before any facts supported it and now people act like it's just ugly to question that. No, it's fair to question the story delivery.

Right, you can see how someone would think it's a hate crime though - 6 Asian women dead, and killer fetishized Asian women. No idea who makes the determination on what the threshold is for a hate crime, but seems like there evidence to suggest it was.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Right, you can see how someone would think it's a hate crime though - 6 Asian women dead, and killer fetishized Asian women. No idea who makes the determination on what the threshold is for a hate crime, but seems like there evidence to suggest it was.

Of course people can see how an initial response of .... "this is likely a hate crime". But when confronted with evidence that casts doubt on that and to stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting to the world that it IS a hate crime doesn't make it so.

 

[Blazers46]

I'm sorry that six Asian women dying, and people calling it a hate crime is making you defensive. Might be time for some introspection if your reaction is to this is to justify why people would be defensive with it.

You are essentially saying its completely okay to immediately get on the offensive and call it hate crime, blame white supremacy, white entitlement, male entitlement but If I get on the defensive and question or even wait for actual facts I need some introspection. Seems like a huge double standard seeing how policies and rules and culture seems to shifting and changing due to this narrative of mean oppressive whitey.

Also I have read up on the incident, can you provide some sort of link suggetsing he had an Asian fettish. Everything I have read just simply states he used the spa/parlors because he felt they were safer.

 

[NorthDakota]

Right, you can see how someone would think it's a hate crime though - 6 Asian women dead, and killer fetishized Asian women. No idea who makes the determination on what the threshold is for a hate crime, but seems like there evidence to suggest it was.

"Hate Crime" in GA appears to be a method to enhance punishment for 1) crimes against religious places of worship (such as spray painting a Swastika on a synagogue), 2)some terroristic acts (KKK leaving a burning cross on a black man's yard). More relevantly, here are the two bigger ones below.

• Ga. Code Ann. § 17-10-17: enhanced penalties "if the trier of fact determines beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant intentionally selected any victim or group of victims or any property as the object of the offense because of such victim's or group of victims' actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender, mental disability, or physical disability”
• Ga. Code Ann. § 17-4-20.2: requires law enforcement officers to prepare and submit a "Bias Crime Report" if "It appears that the defendant intentionally selected any victim or group of victims or any property as the object of the offense because of such victim's or group of victims' actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender, mental disability, or physical disability, whether or not an arrest is made” https://libguides.law.ucla.edu/c.php?g=589923&p=4078037

the articles I've seen are that these statutes are new and havent been tested yet. So the prosecutor would need to prove to the jury this was about them being Asian rather than their profession.

Whether they'll go for that or not, who knows. This dude is going to be in prison for the rest of his life whether they try for the hate crime deal or not. Always start with the text folks!

I think a lot of the pushback the "stop Asian hate" deal is because people are assuming 100% that this was a "hate crime" and could never be convinced otherwise.

It may be. It may not be. Hopefully they get to the bottom of it, they'll do a lot of digging and probably find out more.

 

[TorontoGold]

Of course people can see how an initial response of .... "this is likely a hate crime". But when confronted with evidence that casts doubt on that and to stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting to the world that it IS a hate crime doesn't make it so.

Yeah that's why I don't think anyone hear is "shouting" it's a hate crime. Being defensive before there's a determination is strange imo, if more evidence comes out that makes it indisputable that it was a hate crime then it'll look foolish for those that are adamant it wasn't one.

FTR - This is all kind of silly until whoever has the authority to determine whether it was/wasn't a hate crime decides so.

 

[TorontoGold]

"Hate Crime" in GA appears to be a method to enhance punishment for 1) crimes against religious places of worship (such as spray painting a Swastika on a synagogue), 2)some terroristic acts (KKK leaving a burning cross on a black man's yard). More relevantly, here are the two bigger ones below.

• Ga. Code Ann. § 17-10-17: enhanced penalties "if the trier of fact determines beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant intentionally selected any victim or group of victims or any property as the object of the offense because of such victim's or group of victims' actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender, mental disability, or physical disability”
• Ga. Code Ann. § 17-4-20.2: requires law enforcement officers to prepare and submit a "Bias Crime Report" if "It appears that the defendant intentionally selected any victim or group of victims or any property as the object of the offense because of such victim's or group of victims' actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender, mental disability, or physical disability, whether or not an arrest is made” https://libguides.law.ucla.edu/c.php?g=589923&p=4078037

the articles I've seen are that these statutes are new and havent been tested yet. So the prosecutor would need to prove to the jury this was about them being Asian rather than their profession.

Whether they'll go for that or not, who knows. This dude is going to be in prison for the rest of his life whether they try for the hate crime deal or not. Always start with the text folks!

I think a lot of the pushback the "stop Asian hate" deal is because people are assuming 100% that this was a "hate crime" and could never be convinced otherwise.

It may be. It may not be. Hopefully they get to the bottom of it, they'll do a lot of digging and probably find out more.

This is where I'm at, just a lot of mudslinging by people when there hasn't been a determination by the authorities one way or another.

 

[TorontoGold]

You are essentially saying its completely okay to immediately get on the offensive and call it hate crime, blame white supremacy, white entitlement, male entitlement but If I get on the defensive and question or even wait for actual facts I need some introspection. Seems like a huge double standard seeing how policies and rules and culture seems to shifting and changing due to this narrative of mean oppressive whitey.

Also I have read up on the incident, can you provide some sort of link suggetsing he had an Asian fettish. Everything I have read just simply states he used the spa/parlors because he felt they were safer.

You need some introspection because you @'d me thinking I had already made up my mind or that I held a strong belief towards this. My opinion is that right now it looks like a hate crime, but I'm not going to start going banana's about that since it hasn't even been decided by the people actually conducting the investigation.

Something to consider https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9793...y-and-racism-are-inseparable-sociologist-says

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah that's why I don't think anyone hear is "shouting" it's a hate crime. Being defensive before there's a determination is strange imo, if more evidence comes out that makes it indisputable that it was a hate crime then it'll look foolish for those that are adamant it wasn't one.

FTR - This is all kind of silly until whoever has the authority to determine whether it was/wasn't a hate crime decides so.

Sounds like you are being defensive and need some introspection

FTR - I am not accusing anyone of shouting anything on this board. I am accusing the media and democratic puppets shouting its a hate crime. The media and those driven by identity politics being so quick on the trigger and being on the offensive will naturally lead to people getting on the defensive. In the previous conversation you said people that get get defensive need to look at and evaluate why... this is why.

 

[drayer54]

This moment we're having with Asians would be a great time to question this move-

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/doj...criminating-against-white-asian-students.html

Justice Department drops suit accusing Yale of discriminating against White and Asian applicants, in reversal from Trump era

“Although the Supreme Court has held that colleges receiving federal funds may consider applicants’ race in certain limited circumstances as one of a number of factors, the Department of Justice found Yale’s use of race is anything but limited,” the DOJ said in a press release at the time.

The department said that Yale used race “at multiple steps of its admissions process resulting in a multiplied effect of race on an applicant’s likelihood of admission, and Yale racially balances its classes.”

Factoring race into admissions processes is common among U.S. universities, though it remains controversial.

 

[Blazers46]

You need some introspection because you @'d me thinking I had already made up my mind or that I held a strong belief towards this. My opinion is that right now it looks like a hate crime, but I'm not going to start going banana's about that since it hasn't even been decided by the people actually conducting the investigation.

Something to consider https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/97933...ciologist-says

Not at all. I was simply adding to our previous conversation where you seemed to point out that I was being too quick to be defensive and that being so quick to being defensive meant I had some sort of problem. I am just saying when people get so offensive, people naturally get defensive. Again I am saying the media and liberal minded people already seem to have their minds made up regardless of facts, not some rando in Toronto.

 

[NorthDakota]

This is where I'm at, just a lot of mudslinging by people when there hasn't been a determination by the authorities one way or another.

Yeah mudslinging sorta makes sense here since this story is confirming a lot of people's priors.

Woke BIPOCLGBTQA+: "white men are running around killing us for existing! This guy clearly did it out of racial animus. Stop Asian Hate!"

@danbonginosuperfan2016: "well hold the fuck up. This guy said he did it 'cuz they were prostitutes. That isn't a hate crime! These people wanna make everything a racial act."

Well, based on the headlines, makes sense to think this guy killed a bunch of Asian people because he doesn't like asians. It also makes sense to say they just happened to be asians from the story.

Massage parlors have a reputation of being an asian-women dominated industry. Suppose could argue that by targeting massage parlors, you are sorta asking for people to infer it was racially-motivated. If I shot up Rucker Park because I hate recreational basketball players I'm not sure how many would believe that lmao.

I will be following this one closely I think.

 

[Irish#1]

This is where I'm at, just a lot of mudslinging by people when there hasn't been a determination by the authorities one way or another.

Taking anyone's life is terrible. The problem today, is if it is a white guy killing anyone but a straight white guy, it's automatically a racist hate crime. It makes for a much better story in the media's minds. We no longer have the patience to learn all of the facts before reacting.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah mudslinging sorta makes sense here since this story is confirming a lot of people's priors.

Woke BIPOCLGBTQA+: "white men are running around killing us for existing! This guy clearly did it out of racial animus. Stop Asian Hate!"

@danbonginosuperfan2016: "well hold the fuck up. This guy said he did it 'cuz they were prostitutes. That isn't a hate crime! These people wanna make everything a racial act."

Well, based on the headlines, makes sense to think this guy killed a bunch of Asian people because he doesn't like asians. It also makes sense to say they just happened to be asians from the story.

Massage parlors have a reputation of being an asian-women dominated industry. Suppose could argue that by targeting massage parlors, you are sorta asking for people to infer it was racially-motivated. If I shot up Rucker Park because I hate recreational basketball players I'm not sure how many would believe that lmao.

I will be following this one closely I think.

I hate myself for agreeing with you lol