COVID-19

[Polish Leppy 22]

Good for you? 800,000 people haven't shared your results. 10 people in the world? Cite your source. And why do you think this isn't anything like we saw in 2020? The same reason deaths started dropping off in Jan/Feb/March of this year, I'll wait while you look it up. Also deaths are lagging indicators so give it another few weeks before you say its nothing.

This was published on Friday 12/17. As of yesterday the UK has reported 7 deaths attributed to the omicron variant. The US reported its first death yesterday in Houston, so yeah my number was off. It isn't 10, it's 8.

"In a report released last month, the organisation (WHO) said that of the 38 countries touched by the variant, none have reported Omicron-specific deaths. Since then, it has spread rapidly, and one person in the UK has died with the new variant. Other countries have not yet recorded deaths or significant hospitalisation numbers."

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1531607/How-deadly-is-Omicron-variant-WHO-report-evg

Also, I realize 800,000 people have died. I was talking specifically about the new variant and admitted that it spreads quicker, but symptoms are less mild across the board.

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[Irish#1]

from cnn.com

First confirmed US death related to Omicron variant was unvaccinated and had been infected before

From CNN’s Katherine Dillinger

A Texas man, whose death was the first confirmed Omicron-related in the US, was unvaccinated and had previously been infected with the coronavirus, according to a press release from Harris County Public Health.

"The individual was at higher risk of severe complications from Covid-19 due to his unvaccinated status and had underlying health conditions," the release said.​

County Judge Lina Hidalgo announced the death on Monday, saying the man was in his 50s. The case is the first known confirmed Omicron-related death in the US.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Good for you? 800,000 people haven't shared your results. 10 people in the world? Cite your source. And why do you think this isn't anything like we saw in 2020? The same reason deaths started dropping off in Jan/Feb/March of this year, I'll wait while you look it up. Also deaths are lagging indicators so give it another few weeks before you say its nothing.

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/20/22846405/omicron-variant-symptoms-rare-cold-virus

​​​​​​"Professor Tim Spector, who helps run the ZOE COVID symptoms app and study, recently said testing has become more important with the omicron variant because it does not create symptoms different than those seen in a traditional cold, according to The Independent, a newspaper in the U.K."

​​​​​​Per CNBC, the top symptoms so far include:

1. Runny nose.
2. Headache.
3. Fatigue (either mild or severe).
4. Sneezing.
5. Sore throat.

Symptoms not listed: chest pain, shortness of breath

That's why I would be more concerned with hospitalizations and deaths. So far it looks like most of us who will get the new strain are just going to feel like we got the common cold.

 

[notredomer23]

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/...are-cold-virus

​​​​​​"Professor Tim Spector, who helps run the ZOE COVID symptoms app and study, recently said testing has become more important with the omicron variant because it does not create symptoms different than those seen in a traditional cold, according to The Independent, a newspaper in the U.K."

​​​​​​Per CNBC, the top symptoms so far include:

1. Runny nose.
2. Headache.
3. Fatigue (either mild or severe).
4. Sneezing.
5. Sore throat.

Symptoms not listed: chest pain, shortness of breath

That's why I would be more concerned with hospitalizations and deaths. So far it looks like most of us who will get the new strain are just going to feel like we got the common cold.

There’s 2 separate studies out of the UK and Hong Kong that show omicron actually replicates significantly slower in the lungs than even the original strain of COVID which is why this is less severe. This is reflected in hospitalizations in London, SA, and NYC. It gained all this transmissibility at the cost of its severity.

I have seen some speculation unfortunately that Omicron will come and go, but Delta or a mutation based off Delta will likely make a resurgence.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1473240778734546946?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/20/22846405/omicron-variant-symptoms-rare-cold-virus

​​​​​​"Professor Tim Spector, who helps run the ZOE COVID symptoms app and study, recently said testing has become more important with the omicron variant because it does not create symptoms different than those seen in a traditional cold, according to The Independent, a newspaper in the U.K."

​​​​​​Per CNBC, the top symptoms so far include:

1. Runny nose.
2. Headache.
3. Fatigue (either mild or severe).
4. Sneezing.
5. Sore throat.

Symptoms not listed: chest pain, shortness of breath

That's why I would be more concerned with hospitalizations and deaths. So far it looks like most of us who will get the new strain are just going to feel like we got the common cold.

The number of people that WANT Omnicron to be deadly and dangerous would be astonishing if we didn't have the last two years of data to predict the expected rhetoric. Really is a danger to drug company profits and political power. Imagine if it actually immunizes better at the cost of a few sniffles - people might have to climb out from under their beds and get on with their lives! The horror!!!

 

[ab2cmiller]

The number of people that WANT Omnicron to be deadly and dangerous would be astonishing if we didn't have the last two years of data to predict the expected rhetoric. Really is a danger to drug company profits and political power. Imagine if it actually immunizes better at the cost of a few sniffles - people might have to climb out from under their beds and get on with their lives! The horror!!!

Agreed. There are many pointing out the fears of the highly contagious Omnicron variant. I'm hopeful that this variant is actually an answer to prayer. A mild variant, highly contagious, inoculates everyone and we can get on with our lives.

 

[dublinirish]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/1473296971867824129?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[phork]

The number of people that WANT Omnicron to be deadly and dangerous would be astonishing if we didn't have the last two years of data to predict the expected rhetoric. Really is a danger to drug company profits and political power. Imagine if it actually immunizes better at the cost of a few sniffles - people might have to climb out from under their beds and get on with their lives! The horror!!!

Just like the number of people who wanted previous versions to be just the sniffles?
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/omi...nswers-questions-on-new-covid-variant-2661536

Choose your source. Still too early to tell.

 

[TorontoGold]

You've posted nothing anywhere to defeat my claims. Troll on.

You tried saying that vaccinated people get the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated, Bobby's study showed that to be false. I won't clog up this thread with your other inaccuracies, but still waiting for your response.

 

[Irishize]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/billyliucci/status/1473296971867824129?s=20[/TWEET]

Are they symptomatic or asymptomatic who are tested b/c it’s mandatory? This didn’t work out well for the NFL and they’ve recently pivoted to a more realistic approach. COVID is endemic there is no chance to reach ZERO Covid.

 

[Irishize]

From Jennifer Jacobs of Bloomberg:

SCOOP: FDA poised to authorize a pair of pills ( Molnupiravir and Paxlovid) to treat coronavirus as soon as this week, sources tell @josh_wingrove @RobertLangreth and me.

A big advancement in the fight against the pandemic.

would be welcome news so the nation can quit chasing cases and focus on treatment, prevention and preventing hospitalization.

 

[Irishize]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1473266445576511489[/TWEET]

Sorry, I tried to embed tweet but I’ve had no luck via iPad. Any suggestions?

 

[ab2cmiller]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1473266445576511489[/TWEET]

good news

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

[TWEET] https://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1473266445576511489[/TWEET]

Sorry, I tried to embed tweet but I;ve had no luck via iPad. Any suggestions?

If you wrap the url with the TWEET brackets it will display properly. I edited your post if you want to see how its done. There should be a tweet wrap button on your post's tool bar.

 

[Irishize]

If you wrap the url with the TWEET brackets it will display properly

Even on iPad? I tried that and it did nothing

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Even on iPad? I tried that and it did nothing

My understanding is yes but maybe that’s a question for clashmore? PM him if it’s not working.

 

[ab2cmiller]

My understanding is yes but maybe that’s a question for clashmore? PM him if it’s not working.

I've since edited my post above where I copied Irishize's post, but it appeared to have the web address posted twice and the twitter brackets at the end of each web address

w w w. twitter.......[TW E ET]w w w twitter ....[/TW E ET]

I'm assuming it was inadvertent and the post just didn't get edited correctly.

instead it should've shown as below if it was going to post correctly.

[TW E ET]w w w twitter ....[/TW E ET]

 

[NDPhilly]

With all the breakthrough cases, how can anyone say that the NFL's new policy for vaccinated players makes any sense at all? All athletes should be treated the same at this point.

 

[phork]

With all the breakthrough cases, how can anyone say that the NFL's new policy for vaccinated players makes any sense at all? All athletes should be treated the same at this point.

I agree. Whats the point. People aren't tested on the way in, most people aren't tested at work so who cares.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I've since edited my post above where I copied Irishize's post, but it appeared to have the web address posted twice and the twitter brackets at the end of each web address

w w w. twitter.......[TW E ET]w w w twitter ....[/TW E ET]

I'm assuming it was inadvertent and the post just didn't get edited correctly.

instead it should've shown as below if it was going to post correctly.

[TW E ET]w w w twitter ....[/TW E ET]

Yes. It should just be the tweet wrap with the copied http…code inside

 

[NDPhilly]

I agree. Whats the point. People aren't tested on the way in, most people aren't tested at work so who cares.

It has to be optics, considering the president is trying to push through a national mandate. If the NFL acknowledged that both vaccinated & unvaccinated were heavily spreading the virus in the workplace and treated them as equals, this would undermine the entire logic / thesis behind Biden's mandate.

 

[PerthDomer]

It has to be optics, considering the president is trying to push through a national mandate. If the NFL acknowledged that both vaccinated & unvaccinated were heavily spreading the virus in the workplace and treated them as equals, this would undermine the entire logic / thesis behind Biden's mandate.

They still flood hospitals and threaten the ability for the Healthcare system to function.

 

[PerthDomer]

America's 1st documented Omicron death was a 50 something unvaccinated Houston man who had a documented recovery from a prior COVID infection. Presumably he caught it over a month ago back when it was a minority of cases. Whatever it's severity compared to delta it is still deadly. Please get vaccinated and boosted.

 

[NDPhilly]

They still flood hospitals and threaten the ability for the Healthcare system to function.

I don't think pro athletes are a risk to overwhelm the healthcare system. Call me crazy.

 

[Irishize]

I don't think pro athletes are a risk to overwhelm the healthcare system. Call me crazy.

Yeah I didn’t understand that post at all. Maybe he was referring to something else. The NFL, NBA & even CNN are making a pivot finally to reality. I’m glad to see it. Even Stelter had a little monologue on it that I agreed with 100% (1st time for everything). I bet we see the same from the WH, too.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Ordered Ivermectin from PushHealth today to have around in case anyone in my circle needs it this winter. Easy peezy, no consultations or calls, just an online submission and it's $65. All you have to do is make sure your pharmacy isn't woke and is willing to fill it (both in my radius were).

Stay safe friends. https://www.pushhealth.com/?campaign...4aAihdEALw_wcB

 

[NDPhilly]

Yeah I didn’t understand that post at all. Maybe he was referring to something else. The NFL, NBA & even CNN are making a pivot finally to reality. I’m glad to see it. Even Stelter had a little monologue on it that I agreed with 100% (1st time for everything). I bet we see the same from the WH, too.

I think we've generally lost sight of how low risk the average healthy adult is to Covid regardless of vaccination status.

The infection fatality rate for those who are unvaccinated and 80+ is only ~10%-15% - not a death sentence by any means. It's sub .1% for all people under 40.

Then you layer in the fact that Omicron is less severe + other health factors (pre-existing conditions, BMI, exercise, etc...)

Just total overreactions at this point.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I think we've generally lost sight of how low risk the average healthy adult is to Covid regardless of vaccination status.

The infection fatality rate for those who are unvaccinated and 80+ is only ~10%-15% - not a death sentence by any means. It's sub .1% for all people under 40.

Then you layer in the fact that Omicron is less severe + other health factors (pre-existing conditions, BMI, exercise, etc...)

Just total overreactions at this point.

Watching relatively healthy people bend their life to worry about COVID constantly is sad. I have 99 problems, or concerns, COVID isn't even on the radar.

1984 is aging like a fine wine.

 

[irishog77]

America's 1st documented Omicron death was a 50 something unvaccinated Houston man who had a documented recovery from a prior COVID infection. Presumably he caught it over a month ago back when it was a minority of cases. Whatever it's severity compared to delta it is still deadly. Please get vaccinated and boosted.

He also had "underlying health conditions."

Hopefully, that critical bit of information was an honest omission on your part.

 

[Blazers46]

I think we've generally lost sight of how low risk the average healthy adult is to Covid regardless of vaccination status.

The infection fatality rate for those who are unvaccinated and 80+ is only ~10%-15% - not a death sentence by any means. It's sub .1% for all people under 40.

Then you layer in the fact that Omicron is less severe + other health factors (pre-existing conditions, BMI, exercise, etc...)

Just total overreactions at this point.

10-15 is still very high in the realm of infectious disease. If I were 80+ I would be getting the jab with little worry of long term effects. But I am not. I am 37, very active, very healthy. So really do not see the point (for me).