COVID-19

[ACamp1900]

I just scrolled back far enough to get the joke. Haha.

Anyhow, I went to Cal Poly SLO jack!

True story. When my guidance counselor (who was also the defensive coordinator) at Tehachapi High found out I got accepted there he stopped me in the hall and was like “how the hell did you do that?”. Lol.

My fav teacher from high school went there. He played football when I was a kid, starred on the team I saw lose the CIF title game at home ( that was a thing back then I guess) right down the street from my house... went to SLO and played there. Came back and coached me and taught history. He was a loser lib burnout too,...........

Lol at the last part. Victor didn’t even have counselors so far as I ever knew lol

 

[Bluto]

My fav teacher from high school went there. He played football when I was a kid, starred on the team I saw lose the CIF title game at home ( that was a thing back then I guess) right down the street from my house... went to SLO and played there. Came back and coached me and taught history. He was a loser lib burnout too,...........

Lol at the last part. Victor didn’t even have counselors so far as I ever knew lol

Huh. I may have taken some classes with him if he was there from 89 - 94. I was minoring in history. Small world amongst us liberal burnouts....haha.

 

[ACamp1900]

Huh. I may have taken some classes with him if he was there from 89 - 94. I was minoring in history. Small world amongst us liberal burnouts....haha.

Maybe I think he was 87-91 Bryan Griggs

 

[SonofOahu]

Too bad his state is filled with "morans":

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/499318-nd-governor-implores-citizens-to-skip-ideological-and-political-argument

You're wearing the mask to protect others from you. Refusing to wear masks is basically refusing to do what's good for your collective community. That's probably why 'mericans have such a hard time with this concept.

 

[SonofOahu]

Here are percentage positive dating back to when they opened things up on 5/4/20. Average positive rate in the days leading up to the opening was 4.91%. The average since has been 3.49%. On the day with the spike in cases, the positive rate was 2.41%

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For May 21, Florida is reporting more than 27,000 test results with roughly 800 positive tests for a statewide positivity rate of 2.92%.<br><br>Positivity rate for original Phase I counties: 2.2% <a href="https://t.co/qs6I9aUryE">pic.twitter.com/qs6I9aUryE</a></p>— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1263837538051149826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great news: May 7th represented the best testing day for Florida since the start of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a> pandemic. Florida received nearly 20,000 test results, which yielded only 358 new Florida cases and the lowest statewide positivity rate – 1.89% - on record for new cases. <a href="https://t.co/XBSH4X1sVp">pic.twitter.com/XBSH4X1sVp</a></p>— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1258822847469957122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's pretty widely accepted that Florida is gaming their numbers. The death rates will tell the tale, though. Luckily for Florida, most areas are ghost towns during the Summer. November will be a a real test, that's when the snowbirds flock down.

Winter is coming.

 

[ab2cmiller]

It's pretty widely accepted that Florida is gaming their numbers. The death rates will tell the tale, though. Luckily for Florida, most areas are ghost towns during the Summer. November will be a a real test, that's when the snowbirds flock down.

Winter is coming.

What numbers are they gaming? If you are suggesting they are gaming the test results and percentages in the two tweets I posted, you would think that they would show a steady decline.

 

[SonofOahu]

What numbers are they gaming? If you are suggesting they are gaming the test results and percentages in the two tweets I posted, you would think that they would show a steady decline.

At this point, I've basically discounted anyone's numbers regarding testing and the positive rate. There are just too many inaccurate counts. The real thing to watch is hospital admissions and mortality. If those aren't rising, you don't really have a current problem.

The problem that most people don't take into account is that the groundwork is really laid out a month in advance. Look at Brazil right now. Holy crap, that's a country ready to devolve into chaos. They're going to make Italy look like a gondola ride.

We can't stay cooped up forever; that's blatantly obvious. COVID-19 will definitely see a second peak as we open, but the real issue is how big the peak will get. We are nowhere near herd immunity, and now it's starting to spread to rural counties.

Whatever, man. I'm at compassion fatigue at this point. MAGAts will get what they ask for, I guess.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

What numbers are they gaming? If you are suggesting they are gaming the test results and percentages in the two tweets I posted, you would think that they would show a steady decline.

Can't speak for Florida but I do know one of the big meatpacking plants in Colorado is giving questionaires to determine which employees are eligible for testing by the county health departments. If you have been exposed to anyone who have tested positive with COVID or respiratory symptoms, you are NOT eligible for testing. In a plant where 8 people who have died of COVID, and reopened without testing all it's workers despite saying it would.

That's one good way of gaming numbers.

 

[SonofOahu]

Swine flu killed 12,000 Americans. This isn't that.

Are we at 100,000, yet?

I wanted to quote this statement, in order to memorialize his genius.

 

[SonofOahu]

Can't speak for Florida but I do know one of the big meatpacking plants in Colorado is giving questionaires to determine which employees are eligible for testing by the county health departments. If you have been exposed to anyone who have tested positive with COVID or respiratory symptoms, you are NOT eligible for testing. In a plant where 8 people who have died of COVID, and reopened without testing all it's workers despite saying it would.

That's one good way of gaming numbers.

To be fair, I think this is a standard. Unless you meet certain criteria, you don't necessarily need to be tested. But, yes, limiting the testing pool limits positive numbers.

Contrary what the Trump Administration would like you to believe, there are still not enough "tests for everyone." We depend on China for some of the testing components, and so the supply-chain can still be tenuous at times. Also, being that there is a finite amount of reagents, supplies get shifted based on where the hotspots are.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

To be fair, I think this is a standard. Unless you meet certain criteria, you don't necessarily need to be tested. But, yes, limiting the testing pool limits positive numbers.

Contrary what the Trump Administration would like you to believe, there are still not enough "tests for everyone." We depend on China for some of the testing components, and so the supply-chain can still be tenuous at times. Also, being that there is a finite amount of reagents, supplies get shifted based on where the hotspots are.

It's not that people who weren't likely exposed aren't eligible for testing, it's people that were likely exposed aren't eligible for testing. That's trying to controlling the narrative rather than trying to control the epidemic.

 

[Woneone]

It's not that people who weren't likely exposed aren't eligible for testing, it's people that were likely exposed aren't eligible for testing. That's trying to controlling the narrative rather than trying to control the epidemic.

Edit: I had a huge wall of text here. It's pointless. In the grand scheme of things, it's a terrible virus and everyone is using it to score political points.

This thread needs moved to the political threads at this point, and I need to keep out of them.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

We are about to see 100,000+ unexpected USA deaths.

Please consider one of these:

- put an ND Prayer Card on your social media,
- ask to light a Grotto Candle,
- dedicate an ND Mass

All very easy;
see http://faith.nd.edu/
faith(dot)nd(dot)edu

ND football is a part of the U of ND, which itself is the product of its student/alumni/sub faith-community - and you are a part of that.

Love thee ND; love ya fellow Americans.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

San Francisco has reported they've seen more deaths from suicide than covid19.

Kansas City has seen more homicides than covid19 deaths.

 

[Irishize]

San Francisco has reported they've seen more deaths from suicide than covid19.

Kansas City has seen more homicides than covid19 deaths.

BREAKING NEWS:
Seventeen people died in Chicago last week, from Covid-19 related gunshot wounds.

The above was a joke, the link is not. Washington state officials admit to counting gunshot victims as COVID-19 deaths.

https://disrn.com/news/washington-officials-admit-to-counting-gunshot-victims-as-covid-19-deaths

 

[TorontoGold]

San Francisco has reported they've seen more deaths from suicide than covid19.

Kansas City has seen more homicides than covid19 deaths.

Yeah I agree, I think San Fran has done a good job in response to a pandemic.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

COVID-19

What would you guys say is the percentage of people wearing masks when you go to the grocery store? Feel like some days its 10%, other days its 75%.


*I admittedly only wear a mask when the kids are with me, because I dont want a Karen giving me the stink eye, and I dont want the kids to feel like its optional.


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[ACamp1900]

It’s 100 percent here,...

 

[NDBoiler]

What would you guys say is the percentage of people wearing masks when you go to the grocery store? Feel like some days its 10%, other days its 75%.


*I admittedly only wear a mask when the kids are with me, because I dont want a Karen giving me the stink eye, and I dont want the kids to feel like its optional.


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From what I’ve seen, it depends on where you go. If I go to a big box store like Lowe’s or Meijer, I’d say it’s 50-75%. But if I go to Tractor Supply or Dollar General, I’d say its maybe 25% at best. Basically the rednecks don’t give a F .

In all seriousness, I agree with Karen in this case, you should wear one to protect others and especially the high risk folks..

 

[Irishize]

From what I’ve seen, it depends on where you go. If I go to a big box store like Lowe’s or Meijer, I’d say it’s 50-75%. But if I go to Tractor Supply or Dollar General, I’d say its maybe 25% at best. Basically the rednecks don’t give a F .

In all seriousness, I agree with Karen in this case, you should wear one to protect others and especially the high risk folks..

This seems to be on par where I live as well. I want the businesses to open & remain that way so I don’t have a problem wearing the mask.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yeah I agree, I think San Fran has done a good job in response to a pandemic.

I was alluding to the other impacts this shutdown has had on people.

 

[Legacy]

San Francisco has reported they've seen more deaths from suicide than covid19.

Kansas City has seen more homicides than covid19 deaths.

I was alluding to the other impacts this shutdown has had on people.

KC (in Mo), has been dealing with one of the highest homicide rates in the country. Maybe there's a relationship here.

Missouri has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Long guns - Handguns
-State permit required to purchase? No No
-Firearm registration? No No
-Owner license required? No No
Permit required for concealed carry? No No (Missouri is a "shall issue" state for concealed carry. Permitless carry took effect on January 1, 2017.)
- Per the RSMo, there is no restriction on the concealed carry of long guns or any other weapons in Missouri.
- Permit required for open carry? No No (Open carry is permitted. As of October 11, 2014, a valid CCW overrides local laws against open carry state wide.)
- State preemption of local restrictions? Yes Yes (Local governments are allowed to regulate open carry and the discharge of firearms (except in self defense))
-Assault weapon law? No No
-Magazine Capacity Restriction? No No
- NFA weapons restricted? No No
- Peaceable journey law? Yes Yes
- Background checks required for private sales? No No

Violent crime still causing more deaths in KC than coronavirus. How is that possible? (KC Star)
https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article242130131.html

 

[calvegas04]

Ill wear a mask if the store is requiring it, if it isn't ill just keep my distance from people and no mask.

 

[NDRock]

Ill wear a mask if the store is requiring it, if it isn't ill just keep my distance from people and no mask.

Pretty much where I’m at. Don’t have a problem with wearing one. My wife wears one when she’s out. I’d say the majority of people here don’t wear one (60/40, 70/30)

 

[JurDocDuLac]

We are about to see 100,000+ unexpected US deaths.

Please consider one of these:

- put an ND Prayer Card on your social media,
- ask to light a Grotto Candle,
- dedicate an ND Mass

All very easy; go to

faith (dot) nd (dot) edu

ND football is a part of the U of ND, which itself is the product of its student/alumni/sub faith-community - and you are all a part of that.

Love thee ND; love ya fellow Americans.

 

[Legacy]

The study had NYC as a whole 19.9% pos. At risk minority church checks at 27% w the worst 44%. Explains some of the minority death toll but again as a whole even NYC is only 1/3 of the way to herd immunity..

Without A Vaccine, Herd Immunity Won’t Save Us

For one variable in the calculation tool in the above article - the CDC calculates the R(0) for Covid 19 has a median value of 5.7 (95% CI 3.8–8.9), meaning one infected individual will infected infected on average 5.7 others. Each of those will infect another 5.7 persons, etc.

(The measure scientists use to determine how easily a virus spreads is known as the basic reproduction number," or R0 (pronounced R-nought)

The flu has a R0 of 1.3.

 

[TorontoGold]

I was alluding to the other impacts this shutdown has had on people.

So would you say they've done a bad job handling the pandemic? Which other US city should they have followed?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So would you say they've done a bad job handling the pandemic? Which other US city should they have followed?

I'm saying some states have overreacted and have done more harm than good with shelter in place. Some people put blinders on and didn't think about the other impacts shelter in place would have on people (mental health, suicide, depression, substance abuse, physical abuse) and these issues are largely being ignored by the media on a national level.

No one had a playbook for this situation so I understand getting it wrong two months ago, but you can still pivot and lift some restrictions, particularly for younger people who aren't at risk.

I'll actually give Newsom in CA some credit by trying to get pro sports back sometime in June, whereas a month or two ago that was unthinkable from him.

The governors in Michigan and Pennsylvania have doubled down, refused to acknowledge they were wrong, and they've pissed off a lot of people by extending it.

 

[Legacy]

I'm saying some states have overreacted and have done more harm than good with shelter in place. Some people put blinders on and didn't think about the other impacts shelter in place would have on people (mental health, suicide, depression, substance abuse, physical abuse) and these issues are largely being ignored by the media on a national level.

No one had a playbook for this situation so I understand getting it wrong two months ago, but you can still pivot and lift some restrictions, particularly for younger people who aren't at risk.

I'll actually give Newsom in CA some credit by trying to get pro sports back sometime in June, whereas a month or two ago that was unthinkable from him.

The governors in Michigan and Pennsylvania have doubled down, refused to acknowledge they were wrong, and they've pissed off a lot of people by extending it.

I thought this would end up being a political statement - "some people", Govs of Dem states only, media ignoring, the boobs in Mich and Pa, etc.

You are incorrect that there was not a playbook. It's been in place for fifteen years. Numerous posters have linked it with federal appropriations for executive branches including the Defense Dept and states to develop plans and actions for a pandemic.

When you say that people "got it wrong two months ago", you are saying that we should all have kept sites where the virus could spead more easily, infected more people, increased our death totals, overwhelmed more hospitals, and led to a worse shutdown as everyone sheltered in place in fear of spreading it to themselves and their families. "Less harm than good"?

You are correct that there has been a worsening of "mental health, suicide, depression, substance abuse, physical abuse". Are you really saying that we should not followed mitigation advice to keep those conditions under control?

If you wish to deny the science behind mitigation measures and the preparation for a pandemic and believe it is political, take a Rep Gov like DeWine in Ohio, who issued stay-at-home orders on March 22.

Ohio Gov. DeWine is latest Republican to say wearing a mask isn't about politics
(May 25)

"This is not about politics, this is not about whether you're liberal or conservative, left or right, Republican, Democrat," he said during an interview on NBC's "Meet The Press."
"We wear the mask, and it's been very clear what the studies have shown, you wear the mask not to protect yourself so much as to protect others. And this is one time when we truly are all in this together. What we do directly impacts others."

Gov. Mike DeWine takes stand against 'disrespectful' protesters
'Demonstrate against me, that's certainly fair game' (May4)

DeWine said protesting against him and his decision is fair game, but what isn’t fair game is to disrespect reporters and photographers.

“You should come after me, don’t go after people who are exercising the first amendment rights, the first amendment rights that we value in this country so very much,” DeWine said. “Reporters and photographers who are doing nothing more than following that First Amendment, informing the public — just remember they’re informing the public about what you think, what you’re saying and what you think is important.”

DeWine said disrespectful protesters who are not observing social distancing with reporters and photographers or act “obnoxious” is “very, very sad.”

I'm sure Ohio with all this problems and especially with the opioid additions is suffering as well as economically.

This is about the science. Most of us are ready to move back carefully and responsibly into a new normal. There's a Political Thread though to discuss the politics.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm saying some states have overreacted and have done more harm than good with shelter in place. Some people put blinders on and didn't think about the other impacts shelter in place would have on people (mental health, suicide, depression, substance abuse, physical abuse) and these issues are largely being ignored by the media on a national level.

No one had a playbook for this situation so I understand getting it wrong two months ago, but you can still pivot and lift some restrictions, particularly for younger people who aren't at risk.

I'll actually give Newsom in CA some credit by trying to get pro sports back sometime in June, whereas a month or two ago that was unthinkable from him.

The governors in Michigan and Pennsylvania have doubled down, refused to acknowledge they were wrong, and they've pissed off a lot of people by extending it.

To mitigate the stresses on the people, would you be for increased funding towards health care, and other job security measures? This is a pretty progressive approach you seem to be hinting at. Or, alternatively, it's every person for themselves and the corporations can skirt any liability?