COVID-19

[Irish YJ]

Gotta be on the lookout for the italics my man.

oh i saw it...

 

[TorontoGold]

Counting all the bogus investigation and oversight, I'm sure it has been. Guessing you're not up to speed on all the FISA abuses, and everything that's come to light on the dossier and investigations like that of Flynn and Page... Either that, or you fine with all of it...

Keep towing the line. It's everyone else's fault. Something to be said about the company you keep....

 

[Irishize]

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

 

[Irish YJ]

Keep towing the line. It's everyone else's fault. Something to be said about the company you keep....

lol... I'm direct, unlike the passive aggressive and faux balanced objectiveness you seem to display. Still trying to figure out why a guy from CA takes time to discuss US politics... It certainly does explain your leanings though.

 

[TorontoGold]

lol... I'm direct, unlike the passive aggressive and faux balanced objectiveness you seem to display. Still trying to figure out why a guy from CA takes time to discuss US politics... It certainly does explain your leanings though.

It's better to display some objectiveness rather than tow the party line for Mike Flynn lmao. One could wonder what kind of impact US politics has on Canada and why one would be invested in it. Not sure how being from Canada explains my leanings lol.

But specifically to COVID-19, there is a ton of spill over that happens from cross border travel from Michigan to Ontario that directly effects my friends and family. Additionally, I generally wish good health on my American neighbors.

Anyways, look forward to seeing your "smartest guy in the room" act continue while getting dunked on by much more articulate posters than me such as Legacy, Oahu, and arahop.

 

[Irish YJ]

It's better to display some objectiveness rather than tow the party line for Mike Flynn lmao. One could wonder what kind of impact US politics has on Canada and why one would be invested in it. Not sure how being from Canada explains my leanings lol.

But specifically to COVID-19, there is a ton of spill over that happens from cross border travel from Michigan to Ontario that directly effects my friends and family. Additionally, I generally wish good health on my American neighbors.

Anyways, look forward to seeing your "smartest guy in the room" act continue while getting dunked on by much more articulate posters than me such as Legacy, Oahu, and arahop.

If you know the facts on the Flynn or Page cases, you'd know it's not a party line thing. Even some of the braver but still very liberal outlets are enraged at the Flynn findings.... But hey, keep towing your line... But I doubt you know the facts because it's likely not reported on any media you watch.

Canada ranks second on the Social Progressive index..... I say that in terms of how that might explain your leanings. Getting dunked..... lol I just gave a few folks history lessons this week... Legacy simply is a link poster that won't engage on factual debates, and disappears from any counter data poster... There's a long line of people waiting on responses from him... I get along fine with arahop.

And you spoke about the "company kept".... Tells me a lot about those that you favor...

 

[Bluto]

lol... I'm direct, unlike the passive aggressive and faux balanced objectiveness you seem to display. Still trying to figure out why a guy from CA takes time to discuss US politics... It certainly does explain your leanings though.

If we’re being honest YJ you back ridiculous conspiracies and conveniently ignore mountains of evidence and research fairly regularly. Case in point, you were all in on the “massive voter fraud” conspiracy, something that has been disproven repeatedly. You specifically pointed to the investigation in Texas as something that would blow the lid off this. Not surprisingly it didn’t amount to squat.

 

[Irish YJ]

If we’re being honest YJ you back ridiculous conspiracies and conveniently ignore mountains of evidence and research fairly regularly. Case in point, you were all up in arms over “voter fraud”, something that has been disproven repeatedly, for awhile there. You specifically pointed to the investigation in Texas, which not surprisingly didn’t amount to squat.

LOL... The dems attempt to shut down any investigation... Conspiracy? The below are just a few in TX.... there are many more....

AG Pax*ton: Sev*enth Court of Appeals Allows Pros*e*cu*tion of Mail Bal*lot Fraud*ster to Move Forward
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...rosecution-mail-ballot-fraudster-move-forward

Yet Again, AG Paxton’s Office Responds to House Over*sight Com*mit*tee Request for Con*fi*den*tial Vot*er Fraud Documents
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...ht-committee-request-confidential-voter-fraud

Edin*burg May*or, Wife Arrest*ed in Orga*nized Ille*gal Vot*ing Scheme
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...wife-arrested-organized-illegal-voting-scheme

AG Paxton’s Elec*tion Fraud Unit Arrests Starr Coun*ty Woman for Ille*gal Vot*ing Using a Dead Person’s Identity
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...an-illegal-voting-using-dead-persons-identity

AG Paxton’s Elec*tion Fraud Unit Arrests Non-Cit*i*zen Charged with Ille*gal Vot*ing in Navar*ro County
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...citizen-charged-illegal-voting-navarro-county

AG Pax*ton: Court of Appeals Upholds Vot*er Fraud Con*vic*tion of Rosa Ortega
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...ls-upholds-voter-fraud-conviction-rosa-ortega

 

[Legacy]

MAY 1, 2020 / 3:19 PM / UPDATED 13 MINUTES AGO
FDA authorizes Remdesivir drug for COVID-19




I watched the live report from the White House, Gilead is actually committed to 1.5 million vials or Remdesivir which amounts to about 150,000 patients treated on a 10 day regime. Some patients have been responded in 5 days which could mean for now that the more patients may see relief than the 150,000.

Keep in mind that this is a treatment not a cure but it's a first step against Covid 19. Right now the media is reporting that is FDA Approved. A doctor interviewed on Fox noted that Remdesivir is EUA, Emergency Use Authorized by the FDA for Covid 19. You can read the FDA Remdesivir EUA Fact Sheet at https://www.fda.gov/media/137565/download

Gilead is ramping up production of Remdesivir through subsidiary companies. They have also secured sources of raw materials in India. Previously Remdesivir raw materials came from China.

FTR, I'm not a medical professional. I'm a retired Civil/Environmental Engineer that happens to have about a dozen MD's in my extended family as well as a half dozen RNs, two PA, two PharmD's, two Physical Terrorist PhDs, and a pharmaceutical rep that works for ... Gilead. I've been a Gilead stockholder for about a half dozen years. And on that note before some of you rush to buy Gilead stock recognize they are donating these treatments and do not have an FDA Approved product to sell via pharmacies. Stock analysts have mixed emotions on how this will impact Gilead's earnings as they have spent a lot of money developing Remdesivir originally for Ebola where it was not successful and in the headlong push they made into work on Covid 19 with no compensation and at this point there's no product to market. One or more of the other pharmas working on similar treatments may come with a more effective treatment.

Meanwhile this is good news for Covid 19 patients ... and those of us may still become patients down the road.

Kudos to Gilead CEO Dan O'Day who has been on the job at Gilead for about one year and to Trump, Pence and their team who worked with private industry to make this happen.

Appreciate your insight.

But what with all the proposed cuts annually by the Trump admin to Health and Human Services and its agencies including the CDC, National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation, vaccine research, emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases work, and the Prevention and Public Health Fund that provides federal funds for immunizations and rapid response to emerging health issues and outbreaks, I am hesitant to praise the Admin's actions in these areas.

Congress annually resists these funding cuts on a bipartisan basis. GOP Congressman Tom Cole, who serves on the powerful House Appropriations Committee, where he is currently Vice Ranking Republican of the full committee and Ranking Republican of the Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and Related Agencies has warned of the consequences of deep cuts to CDC, even if he is at the same time supportive of increased defense spending, saying:

‘What CDC does is probably more important to the average American than, in a sense, the Defense Department,’ he said. ‘You’re much more likely to be killed in a pandemic than you are in a terrorist attack, so you need to look at it that way. Those investments are extraordinarily important for the protection of the country’…”

Ben Franklin:
“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

 

[NorthDakota]

It's better to display some objectiveness rather than tow the party line for Mike Flynn lmao. One could wonder what kind of impact US politics has on Canada and why one would be invested in it. Not sure how being from Canada explains my leanings lol.

But specifically to COVID-19, there is a ton of spill over that happens from cross border travel from Michigan to Ontario that directly effects my friends and family. Additionally, I generally wish good health on my American neighbors.

Anyways, look forward to seeing your "smartest guy in the room" act continue while getting dunked on by much more articulate posters than me such as Legacy, Oahu, and arahop.

I dont think anyone has ever described Legacy as an p or particularly articulate poster. For the most part, he posts links and chunks from articles. That's not meant as an insult, that's just how he posts.

The only poster who I would describe as particularly articulate would be Whiskeyjack. Some others are certainly capable, irishlax would be an example.

 

[Irish YJ]

Leaked ‘Five Eyes’ dossier on alleged Chinese coronavirus coverup consistent with US findings, officials say

A research dossier compiled by the so-called “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance, that reportedly concludes China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus pandemic, is consistent with U.S. findings about the origins of the outbreak so far, senior U.S. officials told Fox News on Saturday.


The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and finds that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency."

The dossier, which is likely to further increase pressure on the Chinese government to explain its actions and early statements, points to the initial denial by the government that the virus could be transmitted between humans, the silencing of doctors, destruction of evidence, and a refusal to provide samples to scientists working on a vaccine.

While U.S. intelligence is not confirming the existence of the 15-page document, a senior official told Fox that reports of the document aligns with U.S. intelligence that China knew the spread between humans earlier than it said, that it knew it was a novel coronavirus earlier than it said and that it was spread wider than they reported to the international community in the first weeks of the outbreak.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/five-eyes-dossier-chinese-coronavirus-coverup-u-s-findings

 

[TorontoGold]

If you know the facts on the Flynn or Page cases, you'd know it's not a party line thing. Even some of the braver but still very liberal outlets are enraged at the Flynn findings.... But hey, keep towing your line... But I doubt you know the facts because it's likely not reported on any media you watch.

Canada ranks second on the Social Progressive index..... I say that in terms of how that might explain your leanings. Getting dunked..... lol I just gave a few folks history lessons this week... Legacy simply is a link poster that won't engage on factual debates, and disappears from any counter data poster... There's a long line of people waiting on responses from him... I get along fine with arahop.

And you spoke about the "company kept".... Tells me a lot about those that you favor...

I think Chris Wallace said it best "Did the FBI play hardball? Yeah. Guess what? The FBI plays hardball. And guess what? If you are talking to the FBI — and a lot of lawyers would say don’t talk to them unless you have to — don’t lie"

The Social Progress index? Canada ranks 9th based on a quick google search. The three dimensions are - Basic human needs, foundation of well-being, and opportunity. I tried find your "Social Progressive" index but this what I found, and not sure how any of that is supposed to explain my leanings. Bizarre to bring up some think-tanky ranking that makes no mention of political biases.

I don't want to mis-characterize him on which side he leans, but ab2cmiller is a great poster who I think does a really good job at calling out bullshit on both sides. While we probably ideologically disagree on many topics he is able to do it without any of the smartest guy in the room snark.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think Chris Wallace said it best "Did the FBI play hardball? Yeah. Guess what? The FBI plays hardball. And guess what? If you are talking to the FBI — and a lot of lawyers would say don’t talk to them unless you have to — don’t lie"

The Social Progress index? Canada ranks 9th based on a quick google search. The three dimensions are - Basic human needs, foundation of well-being, and opportunity. I tried find your "Social Progressive" index but this what I found, and not sure how any of that is supposed to explain my leanings. Bizarre to bring up some think-tanky ranking that makes no mention of political biases.

I don't want to mis-characterize him on which side he leans, but ab2cmiller is a great poster who I think does a really good job at calling out bullshit on both sides. While we probably ideologically disagree on many topics he is able to do it without any of the smartest guy in the room snark.

Guess what. They went after Flynn to try to get dirt on Trump because of a now debunked dossier paid for by dems (which is now called Russian disinformation), and because of an investigation into Carter Page which is also now known to be total BS (even WAPO says not it was BS, and The Hill even apologized to CP, both of which are lib MSM)....

So because of those two things that were both BS, they went after Flynn for unrelated crap, to gain leverage... They had reached a point that they were going to close the investigation because they had zero, but Comey and Comey's homie decided they'd tried to confuse and "get him to lie" or get him fired.... even though there was nothing there in the first place. Then they threatened his son.... Hardball? That shit is unethical... Even some in the FBI thought they were coming off looking like they were playing political partisan games...

And Mueller had all of this stuff. He knew the FISA stuff was a crock. He knew the Page stuff was a crock. He knew the Flynn stuff was a crock. None of the collusion delusion efforts had any substance at all.

If you think that's all OK, you're nothing but a shill.

PS.. you can stop name dropping. I get along great with several liberal posters.... They are simply more honest and straight forward about their intent than some others, and post in good faith.

 

[Greenore]

Gents/Ladies, Typically, I have been successful in avoiding the political threads. We are here for ND football and some other fun stuff. I recognize there are posters from all sides of the political spectrum but this is the COVID-19 thread.

Can we please stay on topic and not lose posters with great information and insight on a number of issues? Keep the politics to assigned threads. I recognize that this can be difficult at times but for the greater good of the forum... please!

That being said, I am not your mother!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[irishnd31]

Gents/Ladies, Typically, I have been successful in avoiding the political threads. We are here for ND football and some other fun stuff. I recognize there are posters from all sides of the political spectrum but this is the COVID-19 thread.

Can we please stay on topic and not lose posters with great information and insight on a number of issues? Keep the politics to assigned threads. I recognize that this can be difficult at times but for the greater good of the forum... please!

That being said, I am not your mother!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

This all day. This thread is becoming toxic and unreadable.

 

[NorthDakota]

Gents/Ladies, Typically, I have been successful in avoiding the political threads. We are here for ND football and some other fun stuff. I recognize there are posters from all sides of the political spectrum but this is the COVID-19 thread.

Can we please stay on topic and not lose posters with great information and insight on a number of issues? Keep the politics to assigned threads. I recognize that this can be difficult at times but for the greater good of the forum... please!

That being said, I am not your mother!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

This is the good kind of Canadian.

 

[BGIF]

Another Tool Added To The Arsenal

Another Tool Added To The Arsenal

MAY 2, 2020 / 9:50 PM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Roche gets FDA emergency use approval for COVID-19 antibody test



(Reuters) - Roche Holding AG (ROG.S) received emergency use approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for an antibody test to help determine if people have ever been infected with the coronavirus, the Swiss drugmaker said here on Sunday.

The drugmaker said its antibody test, Elecsys Anti-SARS-CoV-2, has a specificity greater than 99.8% and can help assess patients’ immune response to the COVID-19 virus.

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[BGIF]

Roche Press Release On Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Antibody Test

Roche Press Release On Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Antibody Test

• The serology test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% (14 Days post-PCR confirmation)
• The high specificity of the test is crucial to determine reliably if a person has been exposed to the virus and if the patient has developed antibodies
• Roche will provide high double-digit millions of tests already in May for countries accepting the CE mark and in the U.S. under Emergency Use Authorization, further ramping up capacities thereafter
• The test is available on Roche’s cobas e analysers which are widely available around the world

Basel, 03 May 2020 - Roche (SIX: RO, ROG; OTCQX: RHHBY) today announced that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)1 for its new Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibody test. The test is designed to help determine if a patient has been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and if the patient has developed antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. Roche has already started shipping the new antibody test to leading laboratories globally and will ramp up production capacity to high double-digit millions per month to serve healthcare systems in countries accepting the CE mark2 as well as the U.S.

“Thanks to the enormous efforts of our dedicated colleagues we are now able to deliver a high-quality antibody test in high quantities, so we can support healthcare systems around the world with an important tool to better manage the COVID-19 health crisis,” said Severin Schwan, CEO Roche Group. ”I am in particular pleased about the high specificity and sensitivity of our test, which is crucial to support health care systems around the world with a reliable tool to better manage the COVID-19 health crisis.”

“Our best scientists have worked 24/7 over the last few weeks and months to develop a highly reliable antibody test to help fight this pandemic,” said Thomas Schinecker, CEO Roche Diagnostics. “Roche is committed to helping laboratories deliver fast, accurate, and reliable results to healthcare professionals and their patients.”

Roche’s SARS-CoV2 antibody test, which has a specificity greater than 99.8% and 100% sensitivity3 (14 Days post-PCR confirmation), can help assess patients’ immune response to the virus. As more is understood about immunity to SARS-CoV-2, the test may help to assess who has built up immunity to the virus.

With extensive global manufacturing capabilities, Roche will be able to deliver high double-digit millions of tests per month. Hospitals and reference laboratories can run the test on Roche’s cobas e analysers, which are widely available around the world.

For countries with specific regulatory requirements, local approval timelines apply. In addition there may be other country-specific regulations, such as import requirements, which will determine when the test becomes available locally. Roche will work closely with the respective regional representatives to ensure we appropriately support local registration efforts.

About antibody testing
An antibody test, also called a serology test, is used to determine whether a person might have gained immunity against a pathogen or not. The human body makes antibodies in response to many illnesses. In the current situation of the COVID-19 pandemic, antibody tests need to be able to specifically detect antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 with no cross-reactivity to other similar coronaviruses, which could generate a false positive result and thus wrongly indicate potential immunity. A false positive result happens when a person receives a positive test result, when they should have received a negative result. False positives are particularly critical when we do not know how many people in a given population have had COVID-19. As of 24 April 2020, no study has evaluated whether the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans4.

About Elecsys Anti-SARS-CoV-2 serology test
Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 is an immunoassay for the in-vitro qualitative detection of antibodies (including IgG) to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in human serum and plasma. Through a blood sample, the test, which is based on an in-solution double-antigen sandwich format, can detect antibodies to the new coronavirus causing COVID-19, which could signal whether a person has already been infected and potentially developed immunity to the virus. Based on the measurement of a total of 5272 samples, the Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 assay has 99.81% specificity and shows no cross-reactivity to the four human coronaviruses causing common cold. This means it can lower the chance of false positives due to the detection of similar antibodies that may be present in an individual, but are specific for coronaviruses other than SARS-CoV-2. Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 detected antibodies with 100% sensitivity in samples taken 14 days after a PCR-confirmed infection. The importance of specificity and sensitivity of a particular test will be dependent on its purpose and disease prevalence within a given population.

Hospitals and reference laboratories can run the test on Roche’s cobas e analysers, which are widely available around the world. These fully automated systems can provide SARS-CoV-2 test results in approximately 18 minutes for one single test, with a test throughput of up to 300 tests/hour, depending on the analyser.

About Roche
Roche is a global pioneer in pharmaceuticals and diagnostics focused on advancing science to improve people’s lives. The combined strengths of pharmaceuticals and diagnostics under one roof have made Roche the leader in personalised healthcare – a strategy that aims to fit the right treatment to each patient in the best way possible.

Roche is the world’s largest biotech company, with truly differentiated medicines in oncology, immunology, infectious diseases, ophthalmology and diseases of the central nervous system. Roche is also the world leader in in vitro diagnostics and tissue-based cancer diagnostics, and a frontrunner in diabetes management.

Founded in 1896, Roche continues to search for better ways to prevent, diagnose and treat diseases and make a sustainable contribution to society. The company also aims to improve patient access to medical innovations by working with all relevant stakeholders. More than thirty medicines developed by Roche are included in the World Health Organization Model Lists of Essential Medicines, among them life-saving antibiotics, antimalarials and cancer medicines. Moreover, for the eleventh consecutive year, Roche has been recognised as one of the most sustainable companies in the Pharmaceuticals Industry by the Dow Jones Sustainability Indices (DJSI).

The Roche Group, headquartered in Basel, Switzerland, is active in over 100 countries and in 2019 employed about 98,000 people worldwide. In 2019, Roche invested CHF 11.7 billion in R&D and posted sales of CHF 61.5 billion. Genentech, in the United States, is a wholly owned member of the Roche Group. Roche is the majority shareholder in Chugai Pharmaceutical, Japan. For more information, please visit www.roche.com.

All trademarks used or mentioned in this release are protected by law.

References
[1] The Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) authority allows FDA to help strengthen the nation’s public health protections against CBRN threats by facilitating the availability and use of medical countermeasures needed during public health emergencies https://www.fda.gov/home
[2] CE-IVD marking is granted through completion of a comprehensive technical validation and self declaration under the European Directive for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Devices.
[3] Full specifications of Roche’s Elecsys® Anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibody test and immunoassay systems, including throughput, can be found on our diagnostics.roche website
[4] https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19

Roche Group Media Relations
Phone: +41 61 688 8888 / e-mail: media.relations@roche.com

 

[bcole2]

Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Apparently there were lots of viral tweets regarding this webpage arguing that the CDC had reduced the number of actual deaths from what is being reported by the media. I have been following this CDC webpage for many weeks now and can confirm that this isn't true. These numbers lag a significant amount from what is reported in other sources, because the NCHS takes a large amount of time to process, properly code, and tabulate the data. As stated below the chart: "Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death."

Just 2 weeks ago, the numbers for 4/4 and 4/11 weeks were below 100% of expected deaths and look where they are now. Also comparing some of the older weeks on the CDC site to worldometers shows a very consistent number from week to week.

Week ending
March 21: CDC 493; Worldometers 316
March 28: CDC 2,712; Worldometers 2,380
April 4: CDC 8,082; Worldometers 7,630
April 11: CDC 12,262; Worldometers 13,678
April 18: CDC 10,408; Worldometers 15,269
April 25: CDC 3,271; Worldometers 14,925
May 2: CDC TBD; Worldometers 13,188

The weeks ending 4/18 and 4/25 are obviously lagging behind the true numbers but will approach the data reported on Worldometers and the JHU site as they continue to update each day and will likely take a couple weeks to get near the same number, and it does not mean that the numbers are being overblown by the media.

 

[Legacy]

Gents/Ladies, Typically, I have been successful in avoiding the political threads. We are here for ND football and some other fun stuff. I recognize there are posters from all sides of the political spectrum but this is the COVID-19 thread.

Can we please stay on topic and not lose posters with great information and insight on a number of issues? Keep the politics to assigned threads. I recognize that this can be difficult at times but for the greater good of the forum... please!

That being said, I am not your mother!

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Well said, Greenore. We do have posters who cannot leave politics in the appropriate threads - or cannot help denigrate other posters. That said part of COVID-19 topic involves the economic implications on hard-working Americans - those who have had to apply for unemployment and resort to Medicaid for health insurance for their families as well as the insight provided from those here who have businesses. I have a tolerance for those who wish to post about the states' and their struggles to provide vents and PPE and the WH responses. That has an impact on the delivery of healthcare to the most vulnerable of Americans. I have personally provided information and comments on the impacts on healthcare including critical care, rural hospitals and rural Americans, varying subgroups of American including meatpacking workers, unemployment, the situation in states like NY, Louisiana, Michigan and insurance stats from reputable sources as well as current facts, the military including the Roosevelt, disease and immunity aspects, etc and appreciate, the disease process, the planning by Congress and previous Presidents, intelligence views, the 1918 pandemic and some science aspects. I do not even mind those who post on China, CCP, or their possible coverup, even considering that some political forces wish to push these. Who knows where this will lead in discovering culpability. I believe we all realize that the Admin cannot be responsible for the disease but only it's responses. Many have posted on vaccine research and advances towards providing real treatments. Please continue with your posts and I would hope TorontoGold continues with his viewpoints on the Canadian system and other contributions.

When I have time, I shall post something that could be considered political by most concerning a German biotech company's vaccine research, allegations involving a WH meeting and German response to that in the Political thread since those could be considered bu all - as well as me - as an appropriate place.

Please continue to read and post here, my friend.

 

[Greenore]

Well said, Greenore. We do have posters who cannot leave politics in the appropriate threads - or cannot help denigrate other posters. That said part of COVID-19 topic involves the economic implications on hard-working Americans - those who have had to apply for unemployment and resort to Medicaid for health insurance for their families as well as the insight provided from those here who have businesses. I have a tolerance for those who wish to post about the states' and their struggles to provide vents and PPE and the WH responses. That has an impact on the delivery of healthcare to the most vulnerable of Americans. I have personally provided information and comments on the impacts on healthcare including critical care, rural hospitals and rural Americans, varying subgroups of American including meatpacking workers, unemployment, the situation in states like NY, Louisiana, Michigan and insurance stats from reputable sources as well as current facts, the military including the Roosevelt, disease and immunity aspects, etc and appreciate, the disease process, the planning by Congress and previous Presidents, intelligence views, the 1918 pandemic and some science aspects. I do not even mind those who post on China, CCP, or their possible coverup, even considering that some political forces wish to push these. Who knows where this will lead in discovering culpability. I believe we all realize that the Admin cannot be responsible for the disease but only it's responses. Many have posted on vaccine research and advances towards providing real treatments. Please continue with your posts and I would hope TorontoGold continues with his viewpoints on the Canadian system and other contributions.

When I have time, I shall post something that could be considered political by most concerning a German biotech company's vaccine research, allegations involving a WH meeting and German response to that in the Political thread since those could be considered bu all - as well as me - as an appropriate place.

Please continue to read and post here, my friend.

Thanks for the well thought post Legacy. I did not mean to take shots on any poster in particular and I hope my post read that way.

There are so many quality and informed posters on this site and I would hate to lose ANY them to the political abyss.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Circa]

There is no legitimate study out there that supports the theory of a link between autism and vaccines. Entertaining this kind of thought is ridiculous, this isn't some sort of Big Gov or Big Pharma conspiracy. Look at the measles outbreaks that happen because of anti-vaxxer wingnuts.

I'm really curious how Measles gets eradicated and the number drops below zero on that richter scale... Yet those that don't get a vaccine catch a virus that Is not in existence anymore? Measles must live on a door handle for 20 years too

My question has a very close correlation to the virus blocking vaccines we are trying to invent. I've read and heard that the vaccine has the virus and once It Is available It will be used against anyone at anytime to stop something we aren't involved with yet. What part of reality am I missing. It's hard for some people to see what average Americans see and why the media doesn't just give us the Black/white of the issues at hand. It's not political. It's inhumane to treat us like a group of idiots.

 

[Armyirish47]

I'm really curious how Measles gets eradicated and the number drops below zero on that richter scale... Yet those that don't get a vaccine catch a virus that Is not in existence anymore? Measles must live on a door handle for 20 years too

My question has a very close correlation to the virus blocking vaccines we are trying to invent. I've read and heard that the vaccine has the virus and once It Is available It will be used against anyone at anytime to stop something we aren't involved with yet. What part of reality am I missing. It's hard for some people to see what average Americans see and why the media doesn't just give us the Black/white of the issues at hand. It's not political. It's inhumane to treat us like a group of idiots.

 

[Circa]

In my opinion you are looking at me snappy...
Exactly the questions/answers I've asked for. My news was 3-4 days ago and It remains obvious most of us live, and like living on a 12-24 hour news cycle.


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BTW! I'm not against Vaccines. All 3 of my children have had all of them... Mainly because I'm lazy and don't wanna Homeschool". (I literally homeschool after 'learning life at school' fails. My Mother and father in-law are both teachers. 2nd grade and postgraduate.
My opinions aren't unsubstantiated.... Just the popularity contest left after the prom my senior year... .

Maybe the mainstream could pick up laziness and homeschooling as a talking point. Maybe then we could all just investigate what the hoards of humanity can't understand, according to the money/power's that be......

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?

 

[Circa]

The thing that seems very simple to some of us, and has been passed down as knowledge over the years,,, Is being thrown up as a quail or turkey and shot down quicker than Cheney's drunk day on the farm... Generations of people that thought they knew it all and passed it down to people they care about....,
They are being destroyed with the invention of easily accessible information.

Information Is available and easily accessible. Why are we all still arguing over things that make no sense?

 

[Valpodoc85]

Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?

Mask were originally proposed by the CDC to stop people from touching their face. Guy with Covid coughs on door handle, you touch door handle then put your fingers in your mouth. Bingo you got covid. The process then became politicized a bit when one of the govenors mandated masks in public. It is now realized that up to 40% of covid positives are asymptomatic. Wearing a mask now represents mitigating some of the risk if your an asymptomatic postive. You walk thru a grocery store and breath, cough on things people get sick. It appears wearing a cloth mask mitigates some of the plume but does not prevent it.

 

[PerthDomer]

Measles was never eliminated in the developing world and may be the most contagious thing in existence. Hence it flares up whenever herd immunity weakens. The vaccine isn't 100% effective and is given in a series leaving some of the population vulnerable at baseline.

 

[Circa]

Measles was never eliminated in the developing world and may be the most contagious thing in existence. Hence it flares up whenever herd immunity weakens. The vaccine isn't 100% effective and is given in a series leaving some of the population vulnerable at baseline.

I have a mark on my forehead from chickenpox. I'm right at the age were measles didn't get me, but they were around... I grew up in Philadelphia and I was recently told we had a get together and thats how i caught the Pox... So very strange but I guess thats the herd immunity. (catch and release)

I don't carry Dr. Phil's, Dr. Drew's, Or Dr. republican's (OZ).... Time in school.. I just carry the wounds of life on my back. Who else Is just worried that If they post something the majority doesn't agree with... They will get labeled....??

 

[Bishop2b5]

Real question for the science/ medical professionals: if the masks do work, why can't we wear them and go back to work? On the flip side, if they don't work why are some of us required to wear them to stores?

Masks probably do more to prevent someone who has the virus from spreading it to others than it does stopping the wearer from getting the virus, though it helps with that too. It doesn't completely stop the spread of Covid-19, but it does significantly reduce it.