Copyright Stuff (and The Koon)

[IrishLax]

So to recap, you agree with me, but since I brought it up, I should be taught a lesson. Is that what you're saying?

I hope for my sake you're never a mod, lol.

Ahh, ok. I agree with that.

A lot of times posts and opinions would be taken very differently if they came from a different username, IMO.

Let me be an example to new users of the importantance to start out on the right foot, lol.

It's not that it comes from you, lol. It's that the content of your posts is typically both OT and obnoxious, lol. Often people will agree with the content, but very few agree with the way you approach posting, lol. For example, in this case the best way to handle a legitimate concern for the site would've been to send a PM to Pham (or me), lol. But that was not your goal, your goal was yet another attention seeking personal crusade as others have pointed out, lol.

lol.

 

[koonja]

It's not that it comes from you, lol. It's that the content of your posts is typically both OT and obnoxious, lol. Often people will agree with the content, but very few agree with the way you approach posting, lol. For example, in this case the best way to handle a legitimate concern for the site would've been to send a PM to Pham (or me), lol. But that was not your goal, your goal was yet another attention seeking personal crusade as others have pointed out, lol.

lol.

That wasn't at all my goal at all. Like I said, there's no way you'd know my intentions.

I posted in the thread because it was an in the moment reply, and I wanted to see your explanation, and I'm sure this has clarified the issue for others as well, something PM wouldn't do.

If I didn't ask the question, I guarantee it was only a matter of time before you were asked if you kept copying and pasting whole, premium articles.

Read every post related to my question from me and tell me how it's attention seeking.

I wasn't attention seeking at all, you're just saying that and IDK why. Maybe to take the focus off of yourself and try to turn it into 'look what koon did now'?

Who knows, who cares. But I promise you, you're dead wrong in your assumption.

I'll add a 'lol' for old times sake.

 

[IrishLax]

That wasn't at all my goal at all. Like I said, there's no way you'd know my intentions.

I posted in the thread because it was an in the moment reply, and I wanted to see your explanation, and I'm sure this has clarified the issue for others as well, something PM wouldn't do.

Which is it... that you were gravely concerned for the welfare of the site, or you publicly wanted to see the explanation?

If I didn't ask the question, I guarantee it was only a matter of time before you were asked if you kept copying and pasting whole, premium articles.

"Kept" implies a long, repeated pattern. I have done this max 3 times total, and quotes are fair game to quote (legally) so this one doesn't even count.

Who knows, who cares. But I promise you, you're dead wrong in your assumption.

I'll add a 'lol' for old times sake.

It's transparent to everyone, but keep up the charade if you want.

lol.

 

[koonja]

Which is it... that you were gravely concerned for the welfare of the site, or you publicly wanted to see the explanation?



"Kept" implies a long, repeated pattern. I have done this max 3 times total, and quotes are fair game to quote (legally) so this one doesn't even count.



It's transparent to everyone, but keep up the charade if you want.

lol.

I don't want the site shut down, as it's my only outlet for ND news. Pham specifically mentioned this several times in explaning Panda's ban. It's happened before. I also am sure other people were wondering and going to ask the same thing. I'm sure Panda would have had a question about it when he got back too. Can we consider the totality of the circumstances?

Sure, but it's been at least twice in the past two weeks that I've seen. Like I've said ten times now, I didn't say anything at first, just thought it was weird. Said something the 2nd time I saw it in recent memory.

It's not a charade for the 10th time. Show me my posts where I was attenion seeking by asking what you were doing? Quit trying to label me just to see if it fits. This is a poor example of 'attention seeking' if I've ever seen. It was a completely legit question, who's answer I disagree with, and I left it at that.

Don't be such a hater. It's a bad look for a mod. You did something that a lot of posters disagree with and got called out for it. You explained yourself, now move on. It shouldn't have to be any more dramatic than that.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't want the site shut down, as it's my only outlet for ND news. Pham specifically mentioned this several times in explaning Panda's ban. It's happened before. I also am sure other people were wondering and going to ask the same thing.

Then why did no one ask? Why was my explanation about how a hypothetical site shutdown happens not sufficient? Why didn't you PM Pham if that was your concern?

I'm sure Panda would have had a question about it when he got back too. Can we consider the totality of the circumstances?

Total bullshit. You make it sound like PANDFAN got blind sided. He had a half dozen or more warnings and was asked to knock it off, said he would, and kept ignoring Pham. Completely different scenario than copying two Hopkins updates and a series of quotes that is fair game to copy.

Sure, but it's been at least twice in the past two weeks that I've seen. Like I've said ten times now, I didn't say anything at first, just thought it was weird. Said something the 2nd time I saw it in recent memory.

Lies. Find me the two other times of full copy and paste of premium content since 6/24.

It's not a charade for the 10th time. Show me my posts where I was attenion seeking by asking what you were doing? Quit trying to label me just to see if it fits. This is a poor example of 'attention seeking' if I've ever seen. It was a completely legit question, who's answer I disagree with, and I left it at that.

See: all of your posts in this thread.

Don't be such a hater. It's a bad look for a mod. You did something that a lot of posters disagree with and got called out for it.

This is what you don't get Koon. A lot of people might be worried about exposure, but understood the explanation of why there actually isn't any risk. Another group of people might care about it from a principled standpoint, and not like that I share information in a manner that seems to go against the forum rules of copying and pasting premium info, but understand that legally it's fair game to quote a quote. Another group of people might not like that I ripped Hopkins posts awhile ago while PANDFAN who was a forum favorite got banned for something similar, but they understand that the hammer doesn't come down until frequency reaches an egregious level... even if they don't like that I intentionally opted not to follow the set rules to share the info with the board.

None of them are obsessed with moral absolutes and Internet justice and continue to belabor the point. You do, because it's your MO. Every week it's some new forum derailment or playing the victim or other attention seeking. 85% of the reported posts we deal with are you complaining about someone being mean to you.

It's pathetic and annoying, and no one appreciates your antics.

You explained yourself, now move on. It shouldn't have to be any more dramatic than that.

I mean... you do understand the irony here of telling someone to move on when you continue to post and post and post in this thread, right?

 

[Irish8248]

I don't want the site shut down, as it's my only outlet for ND news. Pham specifically mentioned this several times in explaning Panda's ban. It's happened before. I also am sure other people were wondering and going to ask the same thing. I'm sure Panda would have had a question about it when he got back too. Can we consider the totality of the circumstances?

Sure, but it's been at least twice in the past two weeks that I've seen. Like I've said ten times now, I didn't say anything at first, just thought it was weird. Said something the 2nd time I saw it in recent memory.

It's not a charade for the 10th time. Show me my posts where I was attenion seeking by asking what you were doing? Quit trying to label me just to see if it fits. This is a poor example of 'attention seeking' if I've ever seen. It was a completely legit question, who's answer I disagree with, and I left it at that.

Don't be such a hater. It's a bad look for a mod. You did something that a lot of posters disagree with and got called out for it. You explained yourself, now move on. It shouldn't have to be any more dramatic than that.

How do you not see the difference in being a hall monitor (as previously titled) and just inquiring about a policy? No one wants to see the site shut down but is it really necessary to try and invoke some kind of police powers when you're not a mod?

Call him out if you want, point out what you think is a double standard, but it shouldn't be a personal quest to make sure the board is following protocol to a T and even then go so far as to interrupt pages of a thread over something so minor

It's just an internet site

 

[koonja]

Then why did no one ask? Why was my explanation about how a hypothetical site shutdown happens not sufficient? Why didn't you PM Pham if that was your concern?



Total bullshit. You make it sound like PANDFAN got blind sided. He had a half dozen or more warnings and was asked to knock it off, said he would, and kept ignoring Pham. Completely different scenario than copying two Hopkins updates and a series of quotes that is fair game to copy.



Lies. Find me the two other times of full copy and paste of premium content since 6/24.



See: all of your posts in this thread.

This is what you don't get Koon. A lot of people might be worried about exposure, but understood the explanation of why there actually isn't any risk. Another group of people might care about it from a principled standpoint, and not like that I share information in a manner that seems to go against the forum rules of copying and pasting premium info, but understand that legally it's fair game to quote a quote. Another group of people might not like that I ripped Hopkins posts awhile ago while PANDFAN who was a forum favorite got banned for something similar, but they understand that the hammer doesn't come down until frequency reaches an egregious level... even if they don't like that I intentionally opted not to follow the set rules to share the info with the board.

None of them are obsessed with moral absolutes and Internet justice and continue to belabor the point. You do, because it's your MO. Every week it's some new forum derailment or playing the victim or other attention seeking. 85% of the reported posts we deal with are you complaining about someone being mean to you.

It's pathetic and annoying, and no one appreciates your antics.



I mean... you do understand the irony here of telling someone to move on when you continue to post and post and post in this thread, right?[/QUOTE]

They would have, but I did first. If you don't believe that, then what's there for me to say?
Your explanation was sufficient. I didn't agree with it all things considered, but I stopped after I said that.
Because I didn't want to go behind your back to tattle, so I wasn't going to secretly PM Jason Pham (along with the numerous other explanations of why I posted the question publicly).

I don't think Panda was blind sided. I believe he was warned. You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here.

I only remember two times you've done it in the past few weeks. Sorry if it seemed like I've been saying it's been 3 times in the past two weeks.

I don't think I belabored the point. I was pretty brief when I said 'Interesting. I disagree but OK'. Then you created a thread for me to start the 'pile on'.

That can't be true, but if it was, perhaps you could lighten your load by not allowing the 'jump on the pile' mentality on the site? Or not, your guys's call.

You're right, I apologize for defending myself. I'll let you say that I was trolling, attention seeking, trying to fight, and don't give a crap about the well being of the site or Panda as long as we can move on.

 

[woolybug25]

How do you not see the difference in being a hall monitor (as previously titled) and just inquiring about a policy? No one wants to see the site shut down but is it really necessary to try and invoke some kind of police powers when you're not a mod?

Call him out if you want, point out what you think is a double standard, but it shouldn't be a personal quest to make sure the board is following protocol to a T and even then go so far as to interrupt pages of a thread over something so minor

It's just an internet site

QUIT TRYING TO CALL OUT SOMEONE FOR INTERUPTING PAGES OF A THREAD, WHEN YOU REFUSE TO QUIT USING ANNOYING, BANDWIDTH SUCKING GIF SIGNATURES.

YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN KOON. YOU TROLL US EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU POST.

 

[Cackalacky]

C'mon guys.. we all know Koon shoots from the hip with his "IMOs" and just wants everyone to love everyone which is why he derails literally every thread with non-film guy OT posts and refuses to see anyone else's points therefore eliciting a further response of lols, , .

I mean honestly, should we not give him the benefit of the doubt since he is "not a film guy" but can tell that a player is 6'2 and not 6'1 from the film he does not watch.


LOL

 

[Irish8248]

QUIT TRYING TO CALL OUT SOMEONE FOR INTERUPTING PAGES OF A THREAD, WHEN YOU REFUSE TO QUIT USING ANNOYING, BANDWIDTH SUCKING GIF SIGNATURES.

YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN KOON. YOU TROLL US EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU POST.

What you say means nothing to me... plain and simple. Don't like it, turn it off. Problem solved. Get over it dude

 

[woolybug25]

What you say means nothing to me... plain and simple. Don't like it, turn it off. Problem solved. Get over it dude

You can ignore Koon. You don't mean a thing to him, so if you don't like it, turn him off. Problem solved.

Plain and simple ya hypocrytical bastard.

 

[IrishLax]

They would have, but I did first. If you don't believe that, then what's there for me to say?

Alright cool so now you can just make things up, but then we're supposed to accept them as fact. If that was the case, why were there no call outs on my other ones?

Your explanation was sufficient. I didn't agree with it all things considered, but I stopped after I said that. Because I didn't want to go behind your back to tattle, so I wasn't going to secretly PM Jason Pham (along with the numerous other explanations of why I posted the question publicly).

Can't be serious dude. I mean... come on. On what level did you stop? And how on earth would "hey Jason, IrishLax just copied and pasted a series of quotes that was paywalled, is that OK?" tattling... but derailing a thread with an OT posts about internet rules is a good idea?

I don't think I belabored the point. I was pretty brief when I said 'Interesting. I disagree but OK'. Then you created a thread for me to start the 'pile on'.

This is a fair point, but the reason I created this thread had nothing to do with piling on you. It was:
1. Because your post begat a bunch of OT responses, to clean up the thread. Many of the responses were directed at you, so I put you in the title so everyone was aware wwhere they went.
2. To keep the explanation, and then expand on it with more information on "dos" and "don'ts" whileexpalining gray areas.

That can't be true, but if it was, perhaps you could lighten your load by not allowing the 'jump on the pile' mentality on the site? Or not, your guys's call.

I was only slightly off. 60% of the reports in the last 30 days, and more complaint reports than all other users combined for the calendar year so far.

 

[Irish8248]

I don't hate Koons post. I'm commenting on a topic inside a thread designated for that topic.. If I did hate his posts then yea I prob could shut it off and be done with it. So what did you intend to prove there hot shot?

Your posts are starting to resemble my gif lol.

 

[koonja]

Alright cool so now you can just make things up, but then we're supposed to accept them as fact. If that was the case, why were there no call outs on my other ones?



Can't be serious dude. I mean... come on. On what level did you stop? And how on earth would "hey Jason, IrishLax just copied and pasted a series of quotes that was paywalled, is that OK?" tattling... but derailing a thread with an OT posts about internet rules is a good idea?



This is a fair point, but the reason I created this thread had nothing to do with piling on you. It was:
1. Because your post begat a bunch of OT responses, to clean up the thread. Many of the responses were directed at you, so I put you in the title so everyone was aware wwhere they went.
2. To keep the explanation, and then expand on it with more information on "dos" and "don'ts" whileexpalining gray areas.



I was only slightly off. 60% of the reports in the last 30 days, and more complaint reports than all other users combined for the calendar year so far.

There's nothing else I can say at this point. It'd all be repeat. You assume everything I did was with bad intentions. That's your right.

I think you're trying to pass the focus onto me because you did something pretty goofy to say the least. Or you just don't like me, which is obvious but I really don't care. But I'm not going to say more and I'm not going to start a thread about you for it.

I stand by my question, I stand by doing it publicly for the reasons mentioned, I stand by my reply.

You're set in your ways on this, and that's your right and there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

So just stop please.

 

[IrishLion]

 

[woolybug25]

I don't hate Koons post. I'm commenting on a topic inside a thread designated for that topic.. If I did hate his posts then yea I prob could shut it off and be done with it. So what did you intend to prove there hot shot?

Your posts are starting to resemble my gif lol.

You act like its just me telling you about this and that you never heard it before. Several people have told you this, not only in this thread, but on other occasions. You literally commented that you didn't like him "interupting pages".

Do you really not see the hypocrisy of getting bent out of shape at someone for "interupting pages" when you continue to do so every single time you post. All despite everyone telling you that they don't like it?

Don't call me hot shot, chief... you already look like a douche without the worn out adjectives.

 

[Monk]

QUIT TRYING TO CALL OUT SOMEONE FOR INTERUPTING PAGES OF A THREAD, WHEN YOU REFUSE TO QUIT USING ANNOYING, BANDWIDTH SUCKING GIF SIGNATURES.

YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN KOON. YOU TROLL US EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU POST.

This message has been approved by...me (and most likely the majority of the board).

 

[Irish8248]

You act like its just me telling you about this and that you never heard it before. Several people have told you this, not only in this thread, but on other occasions. You literally commented that you didn't like him "interupting pages".

Do you really not see the hypocrisy of getting bent out of shape at someone for "interupting pages" when you continue to do so every single time you post. All despite everyone telling you that they don't like it?

Don't call me hot shot, chief... you already look like a douche without the worn out adjectives.

Lol yes I'm the douche who wins year after year the internet tough guy award or whatever it is you flip out about every single time

Read the post again though, with context, I point out police powers which lead to thread derailment, which is in stride with this entire thread. I don't actually criticize him for it. This WHOLE thread is essentially about policing IE.

 

[NCND]

Lol yes I'm the douche who wins year after year the internet tough guy award or whatever it is you flip out about every single time

Read the post again though, with context, I point out police powers which lead to thread derailment, which is in stride with this entire thread. I don't actually criticize him for it. This WHOLE thread is essentially about policing IE.

LOL

 

[woolybug25]

Lol yes I'm the douche who wins year after year the internet tough guy award or whatever it is you flip out about every single time

Read the post again though, with context, I point out police powers which lead to thread derailment, which is in stride with this entire thread. I don't actually criticize him for it. This WHOLE thread is essentially about policing IE.

Literally... your very first words criticize him.

No offense and I'm not trying to be a dick, but do you get off on this shit?

Then you proceed to continue to tell him how he should post. What am I missing? This thread isn't about policing, it was literally about what the title states... Copyrite stuff and Koon.

You have taken it upon yourself to inform Koon the proper protocol on his posting, meanwhile brushing off the fact that you are annoying a ton of people on here with your own postin faux pas. And to answer your question... yes... you are the douche.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I thought this thread was about copyright stuff and Koon.

 

[Cackalacky]

I thought this thread was about copyright stuff and Koon.

Well it is par for the course regarding koon. Even when it involves him it is still off-topic.

 

[ulukinatme]

Lets remember this thread when we're deciding the 2014 IE Awards. There may be a few candidates in here.

 

[tussin]

Some of the other forums I frequent have a "Shit" forum at the bottom of the menu for threads that are universally terrible like this one.

I suggest we implement one here at IE. Let Koon continue his antics in the Shit forum and not be grouped in with some of the great threads in the Lounge.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Literally... your very first words criticize him.



Then you proceed to continue to tell him how he should post. What am I missing? This thread isn't about policing, it was literally about what the title states... Copyrite stuff and Koon.

You have taken it upon yourself to inform Koon the proper protocol on his posting, meanwhile brushing off the fact that you are annoying a ton of people on here with your own postin faux pas. And to answer your question... yes... you are the douche.

 

[Irish#1]

Okay, everyone gets a timeout and no juice boxes. Now go to your rooms and don't come out until I say so.

 

[Black Irish]

Okay, everyone gets a timeout and no juice boxes. Now go to your rooms and don't come out until I say so.

My juice box has copywrite protection. So don't quote it.