College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[Irish Insanity]

If OK St or Iowa win out, they will jump us, and deserve to. But if Iowa wins out they'd knock out OSU. If Florida win out there would be a valid discussion for them to jump us also. But they'd also knock out Bama doing so.

 

[wizards8507]

If OK St or Iowa win out, they will jump us, and deserve to. But if Iowa wins out they'd knock out OSU. If Florida win out there would be a valid discussion for them to jump us also. But they'd also knock out Bama doing so.

I think our only threats are from OK State and Oklahoma for the reasons you mentioned. Oklahoma's OOC isn't as pitiful as Baylor and TCU's, so they might be a threat at 11-1.

 

[johnnycando]

I've already said it, just like I said Okie would beat Baylor:

Okie will beat Okie St.

Iowa will lose in the Big X championship.

Rest well brothers.

And just pray we get the Stanford team that lost to Oregon.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think our only threats are from OK State and Oklahoma for the reasons you mentioned. Oklahoma's OOC isn't as pitiful as Baylor and TCU's, so they might be a threat at 11-1.

The Texas matchup makes me feel better about OK. However finishing with wins against (if they do) Baylor, TCU, amd OK St is more impressive than wins agains Wake, BC, and Stanford (if we do).

 

[Irish Insanity]

I've already said it, just like I said Okie would beat Baylor:

Okie will beat Okie St.

Iowa will lose in the Big X championship.

Rest well brothers.

And just pray we get the Stanford team that lost to Oregon.

Absolutely.

 

[mick2]

Just a thought, with all this madness, would you rather have an extended playoff, or keep it as is??

 

[johnnycando]

Just a thought, with all this madness, would you rather have an extended playoff, or keep it as is??

Everyone would love an extended version.

I think.

But it's unlikely.

 

[NDgradstudent]

The Texas matchup makes me feel better about OK. However finishing with wins against (if they do) Baylor, TCU, amd OK St is more impressive than wins agains Wake, BC, and Stanford (if we do).

I think the margin victory we need varies relative to the number of wins of the opponent...beating Stanford by a FG may not do it now; beating them by 14 would. It's also probably good that game is on the road.

 

[yankeehater]

Like every year, the scenario is constantly evolving. I think this weekend hurt ND. I tend to agree with what I have seen on CBS and ESPN that ND will drop out of top 4. I still feel if ND wins out they are in because so many of the others teams still have to play each other.

 

[Legacy]

Just a thought, with all this madness, would you rather have an extended playoff, or keep it as is??

I don't think it will change. Conferences's post-season priorities are to maximize the number of bowl eligible teams, so they don't want to give up their FCS games - 102 so far, 46 against P5 teams. Eight teams means three weekends, eating into school requirements, without eliminating one game. Eight teams would have an extended season, if one game was eliminated for the extra weekend. That means 56 teams get an eleven game regular season schedule. They don't want to give up the money of that twelfth game for the vast majority of teams - and less bowl teams.

 

[mick2]

Everyone would love an extended version.

I think.

But it's unlikely.

I'm torn on this, I mean, look at all the fun we're having talking about different scenarios, its fun right??? please tell me this is fun!!!! lol

I think an extended playoff would make college football more like pros, I'm not for that!

I guess it would be nice to know we would control our own destiny but, CFB has always had the greatest regular season, more playoff teams may water that down.

Anyways I digress, back to the matter at hand, Irish get in over a 11-1 OU imo.

 

[yankeehater]

I have always felt an eight team playoff would work best. Five spots go to the winners of each of the power five conferences. One spot goes to the best of the mid-major, lesser deemed conferences. Two spots for at large, i.e. ND and 2nd best SEC team.

 

[MNIrishman]

I have always felt an eight team playoff would work best. Five spots go to the winners of each of the power five conferences. One spot goes to the best of the mid-major, lesser deemed conferences. Two spots for at large, i.e. ND and 2nd best SEC team.

If it were this year, I wouldn't put two SEC teams in.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #4!!!)

College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #4!!!)

I have always felt an eight team playoff would work best. Five spots go to the winners of each of the power five conferences. One spot goes to the best of the mid-major, lesser deemed conferences. Two spots for at large, i.e. ND and 2nd best SEC team.

Bah. IMO, 4 is the absolute maximum. Anything more, and the regular season becomes less and less compelling. I already feel like it is getting watered down as it is. Nobody fears a loss anymore in the SEC because they will always have a fast track to the playoffs.

 

[mick2]

I have always felt an eight team playoff would work best. Five spots go to the winners of each of the power five conferences. One spot goes to the best of the mid-major, lesser deemed conferences. Two spots for at large, i.e. ND and 2nd best SEC team.

I don't know, this sounds just like the nfl, I fear this is the way it may end up going. but I don't like it as a fan.

6 teams max, you have the room for all 5 conference champs (if all 5 are deserving) and 1 wild card. but also flexibility to have 2 teams from same conference who may be deserving or 2 wild card teams who may be deserving.

I guess I'm probably like anyone else, I like the subjectivity of the committee until it screws us then I'll pout like a lil bitch, lol. If i was a TCU fan last year I would have been pissed. I thought TCU's team last year was much more deserving than osu.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Love the 4 team playoff. It will suck if we don't get in, but we'll have nothing to complain about cause we lost. Makes each game count without completely eliminating hope for one and two loss teams.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't think it will change. Conferences's post-season priorities are to maximize the number of bowl eligible teams, so they don't want to give up their FCS games - 102 so far, 46 against P5 teams. Eight teams means three weekends, eating into school requirements, without eliminating one game. Eight teams would have an extended season, if one game was eliminated for the extra weekend. That means 56 teams get an eleven game regular season schedule. They don't want to give up the money of that twelfth game for the vast majority of teams - and less bowl teams.

there's plenty of time.... I don't think it has to have any impact on FCS games or regular season schedule. you have 4.2 weeks of bowls as it it now to play 3 games. also, there's no reason we need a week off between the regular season and the conf championships.

Bah. IMO, 4 is the absolute maximum. Anything more, and the regular season becomes less and less compelling. I already feel like it is getting watered down as it is. Nobody fears a loss anymore in the SEC because they will always have a fast track to the playoffs.

Perhaps a little, but I don't see it becoming less meaningful to the point teams aren't out there to win every game.. if you give P5 conferences and automatic bid, you have 3 spots everyone else is competing for, and you can't afford any let downs even if you are the #2 ranked in your conference or a non P5 team.


At the end of the day, we'll see 8 at some point. 8 means more money.

 

[Irish YJ]

Love the 4 team playoff. It will suck if we don't get in, but we'll have nothing to complain about cause we lost. Makes each game count without completely eliminating hope for one and two loss teams.

We will most certainly have something to complain about if OK gets in with a loss to a team we beat. Or if a one loss Big10 team like Iowa lucks out and wins the conf championship, or a one loss OSU or MichSt goes ahead of us.

 

[yankeehater]

Bah. IMO, 4 is the absolute maximum. Anything more, and the regular season becomes less and less compelling. I already feel like it is getting watered down as it is. Nobody fears a loss anymore in the SEC because they will always have a fast track to the playoffs.

I am not sure how it makes the regular season less compelling. You have to win your conference to be guaranteed a spot. I just used the second SEC team as an example to explain how my scenario would work. This year most teams in that conference will have at least two loses meaning they would not be receiving one of the at large. Also out of conference head to head match ups would help determine the at large bids as well.

 

[Legacy]

there's plenty of time.... I don't think it has to have any impact on FCS games or regular season schedule. you have 4.2 weeks of bowls as it it now to play 3 games. also, there's no reason we need a week off between the regular season and the conf championships.

Perhaps a little, but I don't see it becoming less meaningful to the point teams aren't out there to win every game.. if you give P5 conferences and automatic bid, you have 3 spots everyone else is competing for, and you can't afford any let downs even if you are the #2 ranked in your conference or a non P5 team.

At the end of the day, we'll see 8 at some point. 8 means more money.

If you don't eliminate any games, the NC would end up playing fifteen games. Imagine the time and travel. The first round with eight is not compelling. I wouldn't give conference champs a free pass anyway.

I'd have everyone play twelve FBS games first. More P5 matchups, too.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Bah. IMO, 4 is the absolute maximum. Anything more, and the regular season becomes less and less compelling. I already feel like it is getting watered down as it is. Nobody fears a loss anymore in the SEC because they will always have a fast track to the playoffs.

I think the opposite is true.

Due to the BCS everyone was afraid to lose and weakened their schedule to try to make the top 2. There wasn't much of an incentive to put together a great OOC schedule. With the top four in the playoff it's even worse, schedule cupcakes and win your conference and you're almost guaranteed to win.

With eight, and a greater emphasis on a resume, teams aren't afraid to lose. They know they can get in with one loss, so there's more incentive to risk losing with better OOC matchups. I think the sport benefits with a 5 champs + 3 at-large model. Sure you didn't win your conference but you beat two top 25 teams in OOC play, you're in.

 

[IrishLax]

I hope the committee sends a message to Oklahoma State and keeps them out even if they go undefeated. I don't really care about getting left out for Oklahoma. Is what it is, they're a good team, they'll have quality wins, and they scheduled a reasonably tough OOC game against an SEC team that recruits well.

But Oklahoma State cheated their way to two victories, isn't good at football, and like Baylor went out of their way to play an easy schedule. They played Central Arkansas, UTSA, and Central Michigan. Their "median" game (Texas, where they got ridiculous help from refs to win) is one of our easiest games.

Oklahoma State would lose by by 3+ TDs to Alabama.

 

[NDPhilly]

Oklahoma's big "quality win" is Baylor who hasnt beaten a single ranked team all season.

 

[gkIrish]

Oklahoma's big "quality win" is Baylor who hasnt beaten a single ranked team all season.

Navy is our best win right now and they haven't beat a single ranked team either.

 

[pkt77242]

Oklahoma's big "quality win" is Baylor who hasnt beaten a single ranked team all season.

Yes but if Oklahoma runs the table they will add wins to TCU and Oklahoma St. to that list. Combine that with a victory over Baylor and their top 3 wins will be better than our top 3. Now obviously we will have beat the team that they lost too and our loss will be a significantly "better" loss but it really will come down to what the committee cares about, Good wins vs Bad losses.

 

[johnnycando]

Navy is our best win right now and they haven't beat a single ranked team either.

They did beat a ranked team. Actually.

 

[gkIrish]

They did beat a ranked team. Actually.

Huh? None of their wins are over a currently ranked team.

 

[johnnycando]

Huh? None of their wins are over a currently ranked team.

They were last week.

When they jail sexed them.

Memphis was #13 and undefeated.

Then last night Houstom had a huge come-from-behind win.

 

[gkIrish]

They were last week.

When they jail sexed them.

Ok? Then Oklahoma has a win against the #6 team under your methodology....

And Alabama has wins over the #20, #8, #9, #2, and #17 teams with their sole loss to the #15 team.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Coach would like an 8 team playoff. He said exactly that. He knows the math and knows that with only four it's really tough for Independent Notre Dame to displace at least two whole conferences each year.

I'm with him. What I want is ND in the playoffs regularly. I don't give a damm what the other teams do, I just want OUR team in. That insures that we begin every season, for as long as Kelly coaches, being thought of as one of the country's elite. THAT means easier recruiting. ... a positive feedback situation. With eight "in", that might even lower the level of prejudicial manufactured negativity that we're met with. AND hopefully get ESPN to create different "story lines" to boost viewership.

As to this last weekend: I heard commentators [outside our own game] say that "All the Top Four won convincingly." They were talking about Clemson, Alabama, OSU, and Notre Dame. Convincingly does not mean "slaughter" it means winning in control. We did that. Winning convincingly doesn't hurt you, especially when no one chasing you does anything eye-popping.

Jeff Long of the Selection Committee said last week that the Top Four were substantially ahead of the next four, and it was the next four where the rating difficulty was. Iowa won, but hardly shiningly [and that doesn't make any difference to us anyway as there is already a B1G ahead of them, and two B1Gs aren't going to get in]. Baylor lost ... good riddance. Florida was also mediocre, and two SECs aren't getting in either. The PAC went down the drain almost irretrievably [assuming we beat Stanford]. UNC looks good, but two ACCs aren't getting in either. OKState was really unimpressive. That leaves ONE team, who lost to a team which we slaughtered.

How in the he!l was that a week which hurt us? I'll bet that the Committee saw the gap between the top four and the others WIDEN not shrink --- but even if they begin giving Iowa more love, it's still irrelevant because B1G is just one spot.