Coaching Changes

[NYIrish14]

Anyone have any idea when Kelly will hire these coaches? Im guessing within the next two weeks?

 

[BeauBenken]

???

I don't understand either of these glib comments. Booker was a Safety in college. Then he coached DBs at kent St and Western Ky for 5 years. He ONLY played and coached DBs. His duties as an intern for the past two years, according to the ND Media Guide was " ... resposible for film breakdown, scouting reports, playbooks and other duties assigned by head coach Brian Kelly and the offensive staff."

He may not have experience coaching it, but he's been around the guys who have done the job nonstop. And two years of breaking down our offensive game and practice film? Yea, he probably knows his stuff. I don't remember my original comment though...lol

Woman been tuckering me out. haha

 

[Old Man Mike]

If Kelly hires BeauB as a recruiter I predict that we lose the entire class.

The only worse choice would be ------ ( insert your "favorite" poster).

 

[irishog77]

I think Beau could land us 20-25 Bruce Heggie's annually.

 

[OCIrish]

???

I don't understand either of these glib comments. Booker was a Safety in college. Then he coached DBs at kent St and Western Ky for 5 years. He ONLY played and coached DBs. His duties as an intern for the past two years, according to the ND Media Guide was " ... resposible for film breakdown, scouting reports, playbooks and other duties assigned by head coach Brian Kelly and the offensive staff."

Booker has NO coaching experience with receivers except for covering them as a Kent St player. With no clear cut replacement for Floyd and with ND's second leading receiver, a TE, possibly heading to the Draft, this is no time for OJT with a new position coach. Putting playbooks together inside going to mold Jones, Toma, Daniels, into prime time players nor serve as solid instructor for Greenberry et al to transition into Div 1 Football players. Booker's elevation is the similar to Powlus going from an office job to QB Coach under Weis after Cutcliff got sick and Vaas was sacked. Powlus had no coaching experience (but at least he played there) so Weis was the actual QB coach diluting his time for HC duties while Powlus was getting OJT.

Alford has already gone through the OJT at WR coach. I'd still rather have a prime time WR coach and have him at RBs but moving him back to RBs and throwing the WR corps to a Safety makes no sense. That cripples two positions. Better for Booker to replace Martin coaching the Safeties (under Cooks supervision/coordination). EITHER HIRE A WR COACH OR HIRE A RB COACH[/B].






Leave Martin as RC. Alford is more effective in the field building relationships with prospects and coaches. ND multiple Head Coaches over the past 15 years have cost enough problems with relationships. Changing Alford's title can dilute his effectiveness where it's needed most. Businesses frequently take great salesmen and promote them into lousy sales managers then wonder why there sales suffer.

I don't care about the geography exercise that can be worked out on the fly. ND needs POSITION coaches at a number of positions NOW. Denbrock has coached the OLine before. I don't know that he's a replacement for Warinner but he at least has been in that position.

Looking at that "Consensus" List of Coaches I can see why ND has a problem on Special Teams. Ala Charlie Weis, no ONE is in charge. IF Special Teams is Bookers forte put him there where he can't do more harm than was done in 2011.




The effectiveness of the QBs, Crist, Rees, and Hendrix is probably more a result of Molnar's influence or lack thereof as QB. Now you guys want to take a lifetime Defensive Coach whose only Offensive experience was as Grand Valley's Head Coach? Why not just shoot all the QBs and same time?

HIRE AN EXPERIENCED QB COACH!





Assistant HC is a titular title. It's a resume buzz word builder and a salary bump. Until Diaco fixes the problems at WILL and OLB he shouldn't be allowed to do anything else. His defense was the best in years but still wilted or got lost against UM and FSU in the 4th Q and got run over in the first half by USC. He handles DC and LBs and puts his stamp on rebuilding the Secondary.

BGIF.......This is probly the best post I've read in some time. You've summed up my concerns across the board with what Kelly is doing with the coaching changes.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

BGIF.......This is probly the best post I've read in some time. You've summed up my concerns across the board with what Kelly is doing with the coaching changes.

Mine too. Good post.

People always say "trust the staff," but BK is really testing me right now. I really don't understand his philosophy when it comes to putting position coaches at positions they don't have experience. I don't care about expanding resumes. I care about winning.

 

[SoCalDomer]

???
I don't understand either of these glib comments.

...

All reasonable criticisms/comments. But you forgot that

Brian Kelly has forgotten more about coaching than all of us ever knew combined, has put together winning staffs at two schools now (and this one is no different than either of the his prior coaching jobs), does more with less, didn't come into a good situation with talent/depth. [Did I get them all in there?]

You're using the wrong "O" word. You were being objective instead of optimistic. Optimism fixes everything.

 

[rtrn2glory]

???

I don't understand either of these glib comments. Booker was a Safety in college. Then he coached DBs at kent St and Western Ky for 5 years. He ONLY played and coached DBs. His duties as an intern for the past two years, according to the ND Media Guide was " ... resposible for film breakdown, scouting reports, playbooks and other duties assigned by head coach Brian Kelly and the offensive staff."

Booker has NO coaching experience with receivers except for covering them as a Kent St player. With no clear cut replacement for Floyd and with ND's second leading receiver, a TE, possibly heading to the Draft, this is no time for OJT with a new position coach. Putting playbooks together inside going to mold Jones, Toma, Daniels, into prime time players nor serve as solid instructor for Greenberry et al to transition into Div 1 Football players. Booker's elevation is the similar to Powlus going from an office job to QB Coach under Weis after Cutcliff got sick and Vaas was sacked. Powlus had no coaching experience (but at least he played there) so Weis was the actual QB coach diluting his time for HC duties while Powlus was getting OJT.

Alford has already gone through the OJT at WR coach. I'd still rather have a prime time WR coach and have him at RBs but moving him back to RBs and throwing the WR corps to a Safety makes no sense. That cripples two positions. Better for Booker to replace Martin coaching the Safeties (under Cooks supervision/coordination). EITHER HIRE A WR COACH OR HIRE A RB COACH[/B].






Leave Martin as RC. Alford is more effective in the field building relationships with prospects and coaches. ND multiple Head Coaches over the past 15 years have cost enough problems with relationships. Changing Alford's title can dilute his effectiveness where it's needed most. Businesses frequently take great salesmen and promote them into lousy sales managers then wonder why there sales suffer.

I don't care about the geography exercise that can be worked out on the fly. ND needs POSITION coaches at a number of positions NOW. Denbrock has coached the OLine before. I don't know that he's a replacement for Warinner but he at least has been in that position.

Looking at that "Consensus" List of Coaches I can see why ND has a problem on Special Teams. Ala Charlie Weis, no ONE is in charge. IF Special Teams is Bookers forte put him there where he can't do more harm than was done in 2011.




The effectiveness of the QBs, Crist, Rees, and Hendrix is probably more a result of Molnar's influence or lack thereof as QB. Now you guys want to take a lifetime Defensive Coach whose only Offensive experience was as Grand Valley's Head Coach? Why not just shoot all the QBs and same time?

HIRE AN EXPERIENCED QB COACH!





Assistant HC is a titular title. It's a resume buzz word builder and a salary bump. Until Diaco fixes the problems at WILL and OLB he shouldn't be allowed to do anything else. His defense was the best in years but still wilted or got lost against UM and FSU in the 4th Q and got run over in the first half by USC. He handles DC and LBs and puts his stamp on rebuilding the Secondary.

basis for booker coaching wide outs is that who he's been working with closely the past few years. just b/c you didn't play a position in college doesn't mean you can't coach it. i would hope a coach at this level has a broader horizon of the game than to just coach one position or the position you played. when alford went away for personal reasons a few years back during spring ball (coach kelly's first spring) booker was put in charge of the wide receivers for a majority of spring practice. from what i understand he's been working closely with the group since. imo this is how the staff shakes out...i could be wrong w/o a doubt it wouldn't be the first time, but that's how i see things going.

 

[SoCalDomer]

He may not have experience coaching it, but he's been around the guys who have done the job nonstop. And two years of breaking down our offensive game and practice film? Yea, he probably knows his stuff. I don't remember my original comment though...lol

So your criteria is:
1) has spent time around guys who have coached.
2) spent time breaking down game film and practice film
3) probably knows his stuff

Criteria Not necessary:
1) ANY Prior coaching experience
2) Prior coaching experience at the position he will coach
3) experience playing the position

Well, I know of a guy who has spent alot of time around a very good, experienced offensive coordinator. He has also spent time breaking down game film and practice film. = Charlie Weis Jr. I mean, we need a new OC right? Makes sense from your criteria. He probably knows his stuff.

 

[SoCalDomer]

basis for booker coaching wide outs is that who he's been working with closely the past few years.

No, he has not worked closely with WRs Did you read what BGIF posted????

His job involved: "resposible for film breakdown, scouting reports, playbooks and other duties assigned by head coach Brian Kelly and the offensive staff." There's nothing in there specific about him working "closely" with the WRs.

You are correct, playing the position you are going to coach is not a critical or required element of experience. BGIF's point -- that there should be no on the job training for coaches at ND -- is one of the main problems that got Charlie Weis fired. My goodness, it's lather rinse repeat folks (for this board, not BK).

Most people were optimistic about the Corwin Brown hire, even though he had no experience as a DC. Go back and look in the archives. Reasonable, rational posters came up with every optimistic answer in the book as to why this was good for ND's defense.

No on the job training!

 

[NYMIKE6]

Lou Somogyi from B&G believes Booker will be coaching in the secondary with Cooks.

 

[TerryTate]

Will update the first post list accordingly.

 

[Senoj13]

Now that the entire PSU staff will be out of a job, thoughts on hiring Larry Johnson? Excellent recruiting reputation.

 

[anarin]

Now that the entire PSU staff will be out of a job, thoughts on hiring Larry Johnson? Excellent recruiting reputation.

NFL Runningback Larry Johnson?

 

[rtrn2glory]

No, he has not worked closely with WRs Did you read what BGIF posted????

His job involved: "resposible for film breakdown, scouting reports, playbooks and other duties assigned by head coach Brian Kelly and the offensive staff." There's nothing in there specific about him working "closely" with the WRs.

You are correct, playing the position you are going to coach is not a critical or required element of experience. BGIF's point -- that there should be no on the job training for coaches at ND -- is one of the main problems that got Charlie Weis fired. My goodness, it's lather rinse repeat folks (for this board, not BK).

Most people were optimistic about the Corwin Brown hire, even though he had no experience as a DC. Go back and look in the archives. Reasonable, rational posters came up with every optimistic answer in the book as to why this was good for ND's defense.

No on the job training!

booker took over for alford during spring of 2010 when alford left for personal reasons. i was at the coaches clinic in 2010 trust me i know what was going on. he's worked with wideouts in the past and i have no reason to believe he couldn't do it in the future.

i have a hard time believing there would be "on the job training" for a guy that's worked on the staff for two years. g.a. jobs aren't as easy as everyone is making them out to be. these guys put in work and are as involved as any coach, at least the good ones are. if he hadn't been involved he would not be getting promoted.

plus if he's involved with the offensive staff he would be working closely with all position groups on the offensive side if the truth was known. i would be comfortable with him coaching receivers. if he's been on the staff for two years he'll know the playbook better than a guy they bring in from somewhere else that'll have to learn the system and get to know the players...imo

 

[Senoj13]

NFL Runningback Larry Johnson?

No. His father. Been on the PSU staff for several years.

 

[rtrn2glory]

No. His father. Been on the PSU staff for several years.

could be playing with fire hiring one of those guys...regardless of how good of a coach he is. don't see that happening personally.

 

[PANDFAN]

larry johnson has been PSU's best recruiter for years

 

[NYIrish14]

Heard that on II some posters are saying that Hinton was asked to leave and Kelly never made a pitch at Warriner to stay. They said Hinton and Warriner lacked enthusiasm in practice and were poor recruiters or something along those lines. Apparently Sampson has confirmed this. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

 

[TerryTate]

Hinton & Warinner were not offered contract extensions, that is correct. Warinner left after Martin got the OC job. Molnar was asked to pursue other options.

 

[NYIrish14]

Hinton & Warinner were not offered contract extensions, that is correct. Warinner left after Martin got the OC job. Molnar was asked to pursue other options.

Thanks TT. This is very interesting, I thought Hinton and Warriner were doing a great job. Apparently Kelly felt otherwise.

 

[irishog77]

Heard that on II some posters are saying that Hinton was asked to leave and Kelly never made a pitch at Warriner to stay. They said Hinton and Warriner lacked enthusiasm in practice and were poor recruiters or something along those lines. Apparently Sampson has confirmed this. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

Hinton & Warinner were not offered contract extensions, that is correct. Warinner left after Martin got the OC job. Molnar was asked to pursue other options.

Good info. Makes me feel a little better with all that has happened.

 

[anarin]

Heard that on II some posters are saying that Hinton was asked to leave and Kelly never made a pitch at Warriner to stay. They said Hinton and Warriner lacked enthusiasm in practice and were poor recruiters or something along those lines. Apparently Sampson has confirmed this. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

I wonder if this goes back to what Kelly said in the past. About how coaches better have a plan if they plan on testing the waters, because they wont be coaching in south bend any longer. This is more towards Hinton then Warinner.

I'm sure I butchered that comment, but thats the way I remember it.

 

[PANDFAN]

Hinton & Warinner were not offered contract extensions, that is correct. Warinner left after Martin got the OC job. Molnar was asked to pursue other options.

Molnar being basically asked to leave? wow! i wasn't happy w/ the qb play but i thought they had a long standing history...oh well

 

[ND NYC]

Heard that on II some posters are saying that Hinton was asked to leave and Kelly never made a pitch at Warriner to stay. They said Hinton and Warriner lacked enthusiasm in practice and were poor recruiters or something along those lines. Apparently Sampson has confirmed this. Can anyone tell me if this is true or not?

in your guys opinion (if you know) was it reliable posters saying this or a "group think" type thread over there?

 

[Patulski]

So your criteria is:
1) has spent time around guys who have coached.
2) spent time breaking down game film and practice film
3) probably knows his stuff

Criteria Not necessary:
1) ANY Prior coaching experience
2) Prior coaching experience at the position he will coach
3) experience playing the position

Well, I know of a guy who has spent alot of time around a very good, experienced offensive coordinator. He has also spent time breaking down game film and practice film. = Charlie Weis Jr. I mean, we need a new OC right? Makes sense from your criteria. He probably knows his stuff.

Nobody's "criteria" here matters.

True story: Wally Moore, who Ara hired to coach his freshman team after Wally spent the prior year as the Head Coach coach across the street at St. Joe HS, who then became Ara's offensive line coach two years later, asked Ara why he hired him. Ara's answer? "I knew you were a winner."

Kelly has 20+ years as a winning football coach and has been around Booker for two years. He's hired Booker and believes he can do the job. That's the most important thing. I know people like to intellectualize these things, but experienced head coaches have gut instincts about who they want to work with and why they will win with them. Sometimes they fail, but more often the successful ones have good gut instincts that they've acquired over the years.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Any time there is any news about anything, certain people on this board flip the **** out. Some of you guys need to relax a little. I hope you're not this high strung and paranoid in real life. Its like if you don't know exactly what is going on or what the plan is, you have zero confidence that it will work out. I get that if you own the business or something, but that is a hard way to be a fan.

 

[BeauBenken]

So your criteria is:
1) has spent time around guys who have coached.
2) spent time breaking down game film and practice film
3) probably knows his stuff

Criteria Not necessary:
1) ANY Prior coaching experience
2) Prior coaching experience at the position he will coach
3) experience playing the position

Well, I know of a guy who has spent alot of time around a very good, experienced offensive coordinator. He has also spent time breaking down game film and practice film. = Charlie Weis Jr. I mean, we need a new OC right? Makes sense from your criteria. He probably knows his stuff.

Hey dumbass, how many times must you read this thread before you realize that he HAS coached before? And he was pretty good at it. I sorta mentioned how he got two guys from Kent State drafted in the 3rd and 4th round of the draft (tell me that's easy to do). And if you know what an intern is, you know he's been studying what the offense does here. He's not cranky Joe the janitor who has just been chilling around sweeping floors. He's been studying and learning.

Christ on a cracker, I'm not even saying he will be a great WR coach, but if Kelly thinks he can do it then I'm sure it's because of what I've mentioned.

Sidenote: Yea, Charlie Weis Jr. is going to know his stuff, but he's in the game with his pops just like Joe Pa's son, and he is a bit focused on graduating from college.

Oh and thanks for trying to roast me. Very classy. Please stop trying to be a smartass, mkay pumpkin?

Mods if I got carried away just delete my post. I probably don't want to hear more from this jackwagon anyways.

 

[TerryTate]

Andy Heck (Jacksonville Jaguars) & Erik Campbell (Iowa WR Coach) are names being tossed around by the II guys (Prister)

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Surprised by the supposed remarks about Hinton and Warinner. O line play was drastically improved (although not perfect) and Hinton did well with Jonas and Cierre.

I thought both were recruiting well for ND, too. Hinton especially stood out to me as a guy who loved being at ND and loved selling ND to hs recruits.

Urban is putting together one hell of a staff in Columbus. I hope Kelly gets himself two solid replacements and quick.