Coaching Carousel

[Dale]

Read today that the Washington coach is kicking the tires. He’s family is reported as not enjoying being pissed on by rain 9 months of the year in Seattle.

Jedd Fisch has never stayed at a job for more than 4 years. Since 2008, Arizona for three years was the longest he has lasted:

 

[zelezo vlk]

Read today that the Washington coach is kicking the tires. He’s family is reported as not enjoying being pissed on by rain 9 months of the year in Seattle.

Fisch is always on the move

 

[TorontoGold]

Coaching is now purely professional since the players are paid. Consider Knute Rockne who made $10,000 per year (which is $214k in today's purchasing power terms) and did what else? Assistant physics or biology professor? PE instructor when that was a legitimate pursuit? Now you're paying Marcus Freeman...what?....$10MM to do nothing but coach football (not that there aren't unique new dimensions to the job). SO, yeah, it's no longer a collegial relationship between the employee and employer: it's purely results oriented.

Coaching has always been purely professional? lolwut. CFB coaches have jumped to the pros since John McKay in the 70s. Coaches have always treated this like a job and aside from coaches who alums of the school, that coach will never love the school as much as you do.

Being the "face" of a billion dollar program tends to lend itself to being a highly paid position.

 

[Bane]

But, the rare Curt Cignettis of the world aside, I'm not sure that sort rapid turnover will really lead to better results, at least not consistently. One reason I'm glad to see Wisconsin giving Fickell another year. They probably surveyed the market, realized they'd get outgunned for anyone better than the guy they have, and chose stability. I hope we do the same when the inevitable rocky patch hits.

I think it's a calculated gamble on UW's part that next year's carousel can't be as crazy as this year's which historically tracks, but we may be in unprecedented times. No one say PSU and LSU opening this year, at least not mid-season. It might work out for them (or, Fickell could turn it around, I guess), but it could also just set them back a year. Crazy times and I don't have a good answer either.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Oh I think we're well past the point where college football coaches were thought of as educators (in the classroom sense). It has long been a results-oriented profession.

What gets me now is how little time you get to produce the results. Used to be you'd have five years to build your program. Now a lot of programs get antsy after two or three, and fire coaches four games into a season. That's more driven by NIL and the portal, and the need to appease donors who will give you NIL to pay better players. And to some extent the expanded playoffs providing the ultimate barometer of success for many programs.

But, the rare Curt Cignettis of the world aside, I'm not sure that sort rapid turnover will really lead to better results, at least not consistently. One reason I'm glad to see Wisconsin giving Fickell another year. They probably surveyed the market, realized they'd get outgunned for anyone better than the guy they have, and chose stability. I hope we do the same when the inevitable rocky patch hits.

You think? LOL. We're talking about Knute Rockne, here. Think about how much change we've seen in 20 years since WEIS. Dialing back an entire century? Yeah. Different.

You are spot on about time. You just don't get it anymore, and now with a multiple team playoff, @ab2cmiller nails it. Winning 8-9 games a year won't even be enough now. These schools want the revenue and they want the visibility of being in that playoff. So now you're on an even shorter time clock. Something is going to have to give. Either the stupid contracts and buyouts need to get under control or otherwise you're going to have to perhaps stick it out with a guy for 4-5 years. The days of sticking with Frank Beamer VT Football or Coach K Duke Basketball are long gone. Both of those dudes in today's world would have been cashed in quick before they could have gotten started.

All Curt Cignetti has done is raise the bar for the rest of these other programs. If he can turn around IU in one year, surely they can find the guy that can do it for them too. Or they're going to try to copy his model as best they can.

 

[SportsingHard]

If he had done any research he couldn't have taken his random shot at rural Virginia though. His thought process about the assholes of rural Virginians would have gone completely to waste.


Nowhere in my post did I call you argumentative. Clearly a projection on your part. Tormented souls, such as yourself, live in a hall of mirrors they mistake for windows.

Also, you keep saying the U of M has "monopoly," it's pretty clear you've never spent any time there if think that. What they have a monopoly on isn't clear, either. The in state "talent?" There are a small handful of kids that come out Minnesota each year and for one, the Gophers absolutely do not have a "monopoly" on that talent, and two even if they did, so what? The relatively rare 4 or 5 star kid coming out of Minnesota is more likely to go to Michigan, Iowa, OSU, or even ND than Minnesota.

As of the rest of your post, it's just the usual tripe posted in between your meds.

I didn't say you called me argumentative in that post. I was talking about your history.

Minnesota is the only FBS team in Minnesota. That's all I meant by monopoly. I wasn't insinuating that they get every recruit or every fan.

Intentionally misunderstanding and misrepresenting people is so quintessentially you.

 

[Bane]

I didn't say you called me argumentative in that post. I was talking about your history.

Minnesota is the only FBS team in Minnesota. That's all I meant by monopoly. I wasn't insinuating that they get every recruit or every fan.

Intentionally misunderstanding and misrepresenting people is so quintessentially you.

Brother, I couldn't misrepresent you if I tried because half the time I don't have the foggiest idea what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[IRISHDODGER]

This wouldn’t just be a huge win for GT, but for the entire conference.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[rtrn2glory]

I don't believe that last one for a second on the memphis coach

 

[dublinirish]

I don't believe that last one for a second on the memphis coach

guess who his agent is

 

[Bane]

I like Tech so I wish them well.

 

[SportsingHard]

Jedd Fisch has never stayed at a job for more than 4 years. Since 2008, Arizona for three years was the longest he has lasted:

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That's the most normal resume in the world for a long-time assistant and second-time HC who was quickly successful in his first stint.

 

[ColinKSU]

I'd argue we can say the same for Ohio. They're still in the Big Ten. LOL

Ohio has always been split in half between the Midwest and Deep South. It’s bizarre.

 

[Huntr]

Sure, Jan.

Butch Jones, come on down!

🤣

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Sure, Jan.

Butch Jones, come on down!

🤣

He wouldn’t have to travel far…LOL

 

[Big23Head]

Read today that the Washington coach is kicking the tires. He’s family is reported as not enjoying being pissed on by rain 9 months of the year in Seattle.

His wife doesn't stay in Seattle, she moved back south I believe.

 

[Dale]

That's the most normal resume in the world for a long-time assistant and second-time HC who was quickly successful in his first stint.

Thanks for your input.

 

[BrianWalsh]

Oh I think we're well past the point where college football coaches were thought of as educators (in the classroom sense). It has long been a results-oriented profession.

What gets me now is how little time you get to produce the results. Used to be you'd have five years to build your program. Now a lot of programs get antsy after two or three, and fire coaches four games into a season. That's more driven by NIL and the portal, and the need to appease donors who will give you NIL to pay better players. And to some extent the expanded playoffs providing the ultimate barometer of success for many programs.

But, the rare Curt Cignettis of the world aside, I'm not sure that sort rapid turnover will really lead to better results, at least not consistently. One reason I'm glad to see Wisconsin giving Fickell another year. They probably surveyed the market, realized they'd get outgunned for anyone better than the guy they have, and chose stability. I hope we do the same when the inevitable rocky patch hits.

I agree: it's not going to lead to better results. I don't know what's the magic in Cignetti's Kool-aid (though it's a small sample size) but this seems bound to fail for other programs. The reason this isn't purely professional is because they've given the kids more flexibility than they give professionals. When you're in the NFL and you sign with a team and things don't pan out the way you expected, you can TRY to force a trade or release but if the team tells you to pound sand, you're now second string (see Cousins, Kirk), then that's kind of that. In CFB you get NIL, are semi expected to act like a pro but if you get outplayed and relegated you just bounce after the season or even during to retain eligibility.

It's really dysfunctional to be honest and, yes, consistency will be hard to achieve. Results are expected immediately but when the ingredients in the soup can removes themselves before you have time to cook....it might be pretty difficult not to end up with hot dog water.

 

[Dale]

Richard Johnson on SZD said the Lincoln smoke does have some legs. Inferred maybe he doesn’t love the new power structure with Chad

 

[ColinKSU]

Richard Johnson on SZD said the Lincoln smoke does have some legs. Inferred maybe he doesn’t love the new power structure with Chad

Didn’t he hire that bozo?

 

[Dale]

Didn’t he hire that bozo?

Yes and no. Chad notoriously reports to the AD not Riley. There was also I think the S&C Coach change that I believe you can describe as changes that may have been forced onto Riley rather than his calls.

 

[stlnd01]

Didn’t he hire that bozo?

Not really. The AD hired Chad, is the word, and Chad doesn't really work for Riley.
The smoke is just him leaving to perhaps Texas Tech, though, right? Nothing to do with us. Just Riley slinking back to the Big 12 where he's more comfortable and needn't worry about things like defense or travel or century-old rivalries.

 

[Pete]

guess who his agent is

 

[Huntr]

Watching Staples, Dellenger and Godfrey's show from right before Freeze got fired, they're talking about the carousel, and Staples brought up an interesting bit about Kiffin.

He expects Lane to be making around $13-14 million after this year, whether due to an extension or as a new coach somewhere else, because of the demand for established P4 coaches this cycle.

He said if it's at Ole Miss, Kiffin would be guaranteed less money because Mississippi has a law where state employee contracts can't be longer than 4 years whereas he's prob would get 10 years guaranteed money if he were hired by UF or LSU.

So, that's a factor.

edit: in fact, here's the pod. It's an hour, but very well worth a watch.

 

[irishff1014]

Watching Staples, Dellenger and Godfrey's show from right before Freeze got fired, they're talking about the carousel, and Staples brought up an interesting bit about Kiffin.

He expects Lane to be making around $13-14 million after this year, whether due to an extension or as a new coach somewhere else, because of the demand for established P4 coaches this cycle.

He said if it's at Ole Miss, Kiffin would be guaranteed less money because Mississippi has a law where state employee contracts can't be longer than 4 years whereas he's prob would get 10 years guaranteed money if he were hired by UF or LSU.

So, that's a factor.

edit: in fact, here's the pod. It's an hour, but very well worth a watch.

With the way coaches are getting fired. I would say four or five years probably should be the max anyway. I get it didn’t affect him the first time because he was probably trying to use this as a stepping stone. Maybe he’s OK with it because if the school decides to stop supporting NIL or facilities it’s an easy out for him too.

 

[stlnd01]

Watching Staples, Dellenger and Godfrey's show from right before Freeze got fired, they're talking about the carousel, and Staples brought up an interesting bit about Kiffin.

He expects Lane to be making around $13-14 million after this year, whether due to an extension or as a new coach somewhere else, because of the demand for established P4 coaches this cycle.

He said if it's at Ole Miss, Kiffin would be guaranteed less money because Mississippi has a law where state employee contracts can't be longer than 4 years whereas he's prob would get 10 years guaranteed money if he were hired by UF or LSU.

It's hard to imagine LSU giving another 10-year deal right now, especially at that kind of money. Maybe Florida does it. Most likely, Kiffin extends at Ole Miss, especially as they're likely to make the playoffs and the big jobs will want him to start sooner than that.

 

[Irish#1]

I can’t imagine schools handing out lengthy contracts anymore, but there’s always one.

 

[HouseofPain]

Between significant enrollment disparity and Minnesota's monopoly on a state with above-median population, I'm guessing Minnesota has a massive edge in fanbase size, if not interest. Not that Minnesotans don't care about college football, but especially in the Twin Cities, people can concern themselves with a thousand other things when the Gophers aren't hot shit, unlike Appalachian Virginia, where you go rock out to Sandman or you stay home and finger your butthole. VT is closer to fertile recruiting grounds but tends to get outrecruited by Minnesota (on paper) because 30 schools are going to be jumping on any talented Virginia kid. Ultimately, the better job would be determined by NIL budget, and I don't know who wins there.

For who in the right mind would want to live in Minnesota? Every time I’ve had to go to that place, it’s not been pleasant. Between the crappy weather, terrible looking women, and bad food, why would anyone not from that area want to be there? And that’s not even beginning with the Libtard mindset…