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[IrishBoognish]

 

[IrishBoognish]

Like what? The call to prayer? Riots? You been to Minneapolis lately?

I swear to baby Jesus

if this board starts getting political, the amount of Marxist Leninist Third Worldist Revolutionary propaganda youll hear from me, tied to every play in the gameday threads will be absolutely insufferable

I promise God and everyone

 

[stlnd01]

Like what? The call to prayer? Riots? You been to Minneapolis lately?

Ooh the big bad city. Yeah going to a Twins game is very scary.

 

[Bane]

The shit this board will argue about is incredible. The current culture of Minneapolis, how many Catholics are in LA County.

 

[Bane]

Between significant enrollment disparity and Minnesota's monopoly on a state with above-median population, I'm guessing Minnesota has a massive edge in fanbase size, if not interest. Not that Minnesotans don't care about college football, but especially in the Twin Cities, people can concern themselves with a thousand other things when the Gophers aren't hot shit, unlike Appalachian Virginia, where you go rock out to Sandman or you stay home and finger your butthole. VT is closer to fertile recruiting grounds but tends to get outrecruited by Minnesota (on paper) because 30 schools are going to be jumping on any talented Virginia kid. Ultimately, the better job would be determined by NIL budget, and I don't know who wins there.

Minnesota in no way has an advantage, certainly not a "massive" one in fanbase size over VT. I have deep ties to Minnesota and can count on one hand how many people I know who give a shit about the Gophers. VT is a much better job than Minnesota and has an actual path to playoff contention. Minnesota is in a good year will compete for the 8-10 slot in the B1G.

 

[SportsingHard]

Minnesota in no way has an advantage, certainly not a "massive" one in fanbase size over VT. I have deep ties to Minnesota and can count on one hand how many people I know who give a shit about the Gophers. VT is a much better job than Minnesota and has an actual path to playoff contention. Minnesota is in a good year will compete for the 8-10 slot in the B1G.

Have you ever met a VT fan? I haven't, and I have relatives in Appalachian Virginia. Being that they're in a shitty conference, they do have an easier path to the playoffs, though.

 

[Bane]

Have you ever met a VT fan? I haven't, and I have relatives in Appalachian Virginia. Being that they're in a shitty conference, they do have an easier path to the playoffs, though.

When I was stationed in Virginia, yes.

Not only is VT in a weaker conference, they're a better program over the past I don't know, 50 years or so. Do you really think a coach of James Franklin's stature (not commenting on his coaching ability necessarily, just his standing in the coaching community) would take the U of M job over Virginia Tech? You're out of your mind if you say yes.

 

[Bane]

And I'm not arguing that VT has a massive fanbase or anything. All I'm saying is however many or few Hokie fans exist, there are more of them than Golden Gopher fans. Hell, there are probably more Iowa fans in Minnesota than Gopher fans.

 

[Kingbish01]

Someone please catch me up, what's going on with USC, Riley and Freeman?

 

[dankgesang]

Someone please catch me up, what's going on with USC, Riley and Freeman?

 

[TorontoGold]

Between significant enrollment disparity and Minnesota's monopoly on a state with above-median population, I'm guessing Minnesota has a massive edge in fanbase size, if not interest. Not that Minnesotans don't care about college football, but especially in the Twin Cities, people can concern themselves with a thousand other things when the Gophers aren't hot shit, unlike Appalachian Virginia, where you go rock out to Sandman or you stay home and finger your butthole. VT is closer to fertile recruiting grounds but tends to get outrecruited by Minnesota (on paper) because 30 schools are going to be jumping on any talented Virginia kid. Ultimately, the better job would be determined by NIL budget, and I don't know who wins there.

Why am I unsurprised that you didn’t do an ounce of fact checking on your statement. VT averaged 65k and Minn at 47k in attendance. Of course, the pivot will be to assess the fan base in addition to game attendance in which there is no rational way to measure that.

Oh, I also looked up the “on paper” VT has a higher average class ranking than Minn over the past 5 years.

VT is absolutely the better program.

 

[SportsingHard]

When I was stationed in Virginia, yes.

Not only is VT in a weaker conference, they're a better program over the past I don't know, 50 years or so. Do you really think a coach of James Franklin's stature (not commenting on his coaching ability necessarily, just his standing in the coaching community) would take the U of M job over Virginia Tech? You're out of your mind if you say yes.

When I add data or nuance to a conversation, you lambaste me for being argumentative, then when I have the audactity to say a Midwestern Big Ten school with an in-state monopoly, almost 60,000 students, and a Top 3 pre-modern history among current FBS schools still has fair-weather fans, you call horseshit, then proactively tell me I'm out of my mind if I say something in the future that I've given no indication of agreeing with.

Obviously, I like a number of your posts since it's hard to be wrong all the time, but Good Lord, you may be the board's biggest hypocrite and "tough guy," and we've got plenty of both.

 

[IrishFanForever23]

Wait, Matt is saying Riley could leave or that Marcus Freeman could leave?

About Riley or Freeman?

He was referring to Riley.

 

[allenm5333]

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[Jiggafini19Deux]

I swear some of you are determined to speak Freeman leaving into existence.

Seems weird, but then when you think about the angst it will cause and the level of pissing and moaning it would allow, it kind of makes sense why certain pockets of people are practically willing it to be so.

 

[IrishBryan77]

Have you ever met a VT fan? I haven't, and I have relatives in Appalachian Virginia. Being that they're in a shitty conference, they do have an easier path to the playoffs, though.

I know one VT grad/fan. Actually pretty decent guy overall.

 

[stlnd01]

Minnesota probably has more money because of the Big Ten's TV contract, but otherwise it's hard to see how it's a better job than Va. Tech, which has more history of winning, better recruiting turf, fans/alums who actually care about college football (the Twin Cities being a pro sports and hockey town), and an easier path to the playoffs in the ACC.

That said, it's a matter of degree, maybe 10 percent better, and both are pretty mid-tier among P4 jobs. Auburn, or probably even Michigan State should it open, would trump either of them for someone like James Franklin.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I know one VT grad/fan. Actually pretty decent guy overall.

I will take Hokies over Wahoos any day of the week. Also every VT officer I have worked with coming out of their corps of cadets has been infinitely less of a fucking weirdo than the Texas A&M corps of cadets officers. Only normal Aggie officer I worked with commissioned through OCS after being a regular student at A&M

 

[IrishSpartan]

Arkansas about to hit a homerun with Silverfield. Wisconsin is going to look very dumb after this, he is the perfect coach for them,

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Maybe PJ Fleck just likes where he's at. Might be the exception versus the rule, but you never know.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Coaching turnover will likely increase over the years for a variety of reasons, but the expanded playoffs will be a big factor.

In years past a perennial top 20 team may have been "OK" with a 2 or 3 loss team. Went to a decent bowl and resigned to the fact that it's really hard to get into the 4 team playoff.

With the expanded playoffs, there will be certain teams that think they should be in the playoff every year. If not, your fired
Other teams know that's probably not realistic but have expectations of averaging every other year. If not, your fired.
Etc.
Etc.

 

[Huntr]

Maybe PJ Fleck just likes where he's at. Might be the exception versus the rule, but you never know.

I think Minny is perfect for him.

He can sell his bullshit forever if he mostly wins 8 games while getting 2 W's in the quadrangle, and wins a bowl more often than not.

They'd love him for a long time if he gave them slightly better Nebraska.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think Minny is perfect for him.

He can sell his bullshit forever if he mostly wins 8 games while getting 2 W's in the quadrangle, and wins a bowl more often than not.

They'd love him for a long time if he gave them slightly better Nebraska.

Probably. Really seems like a great fit.

Really boils down to how stable the administration is and if he has a good relationship with them. Could be a situation where they're happy, he's happy, bar is low.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Lincoln Riley

I have no idea whether or not that's true.

But (and I don't want to be FSU solo cup/dog poop guy) if Freeman ever left ND, I would eat my hat if it was for USC. It's just not a fit, I don't think he likes SC at all, and the Bowden thing puts it over the top.

OSU? Sure. NFL? Probably. USC? No way.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The shit this board will argue about is incredible. The current culture of Minneapolis, how many Catholics are in LA County.

"I'm never going to New York City ever."

- Wyatt, from Ohio. Who has never left his county.

Truly takes all kinds. But that's what this is here for, right? Full disclosure: it's a message board.

Whenever I hear "women are too emotional to lead", I hop on the internet and say "So, here's a bunch of adult males shitting down their legs into their shoes about a high school football player from (insert state) not attending the college football team they support. Probably don't want to elect a lot of these guys either, but that's just me."

 

[BrianWalsh]

Coaching turnover will likely increase over the years for a variety of reasons, but the expanded playoffs will be a big factor.

In years past a perennial top 20 team may have been "OK" with a 2 or 3 loss team. Went to a decent bowl and resigned to the fact that it's really hard to get into the 4 team playoff.

With the expanded playoffs, there will be certain teams that think they should be in the playoff every year. If not, your fired
Other teams know that's probably not realistic but have expectations of averaging every other year. If not, your fired.

Coaching is now purely professional since the players are paid. Consider Knute Rockne who made $10,000 per year (which is $214k in today's purchasing power terms) and did what else? Assistant physics or biology professor? PE instructor when that was a legitimate pursuit? Now you're paying Marcus Freeman...what?....$10MM to do nothing but coach football (not that there aren't unique new dimensions to the job). SO, yeah, it's no longer a collegial relationship between the employee and employer: it's purely results oriented.

 

[Bane]

Why am I unsurprised that you didn’t do an ounce of fact checking on your statement. VT averaged 65k and Minn at 47k in attendance. Of course, the pivot will be to assess the fan base in addition to game attendance in which there is no rational way to measure that.

Oh, I also looked up the “on paper” VT has a higher average class ranking than Minn over the past 5 years.

VT is absolutely the better program.

If he had done any research he couldn't have taken his random shot at rural Virginia though. His thought process about the assholes of rural Virginians would have gone completely to waste.

When I add data or nuance to a conversation, you lambaste me for being argumentative, then when I have the audactity to say a Midwestern Big Ten school with an in-state monopoly, almost 60,000 students, and a Top 3 pre-modern history among current FBS schools still has fair-weather fans, you call horseshit, then proactively tell me I'm out of my mind if I say something in the future that I've given no indication of agreeing with.

Obviously, I like a number of your posts since it's hard to be wrong all the time, but Good Lord, you may be the board's biggest hypocrite and "tough guy," and we've got plenty of both.

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Nowhere in my post did I call you argumentative. Clearly a projection on your part. Tormented souls, such as yourself, live in a hall of mirrors they mistake for windows.

Also, you keep saying the U of M has "monopoly," it's pretty clear you've never spent any time there if think that. What they have a monopoly on isn't clear, either. The in state "talent?" There are a small handful of kids that come out Minnesota each year and for one, the Gophers absolutely do not have a "monopoly" on that talent, and two even if they did, so what? The relatively rare 4 or 5 star kid coming out of Minnesota is more likely to go to Michigan, Iowa, OSU, or even ND than Minnesota.

As of the rest of your post, it's just the usual tripe posted in between your meds.

 

[stlnd01]

Coaching is now purely professional since the players are paid. Consider Knute Rockne who made $10,000 per year (which is $214k in today's purchasing power terms) and did what else? Assistant physics or biology professor? PE instructor when that was a legitimate pursuit? Now you're paying Marcus Freeman...what?....$10MM to do nothing but coach football (not that there aren't unique new dimensions to the job). SO, yeah, it's no longer a collegial relationship between the employee and employer: it's purely results oriented.

Oh I think we're well past the point where college football coaches were thought of as educators (in the classroom sense). It has long been a results-oriented profession.

What gets me now is how little time you get to produce the results. Used to be you'd have five years to build your program. Now a lot of programs get antsy after two or three, and fire coaches four games into a season. That's more driven by NIL and the portal, and the need to appease donors who will give you NIL to pay better players. And to some extent the expanded playoffs providing the ultimate barometer of success for many programs.

But, the rare Curt Cignettis of the world aside, I'm not sure that sort rapid turnover will really lead to better results, at least not consistently. One reason I'm glad to see Wisconsin giving Fickell another year. They probably surveyed the market, realized they'd get outgunned for anyone better than the guy they have, and chose stability. I hope we do the same when the inevitable rocky patch hits.

 

[BleedingGold]

Read today that the Washington coach is kicking the tires. He’s family is reported as not enjoying being pissed on by rain 9 months of the year in Seattle.

 

[Bane]

Read today that the Washington coach is kicking the tires. He’s family is reported as not enjoying being pissed on by rain 9 months of the year in Seattle.

He's a UF alum and considered a candidate for their gig if it doesn't pan out with Lane.