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[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[stlnd01]

I know college football’s all about talent acquisition now but can Sanders coach X’s and O’s? Or does he have great coordinators who can?
Sincere question, not trying to be a dick. I’m interested to watch this play out. But my sense was the talent he brought in at JSU was so much better than the competition that scheme and stuff didn’t really matter. That won’t be the case in the Pac-12.

 

[Dale]

We can put to bed the Hartline ND OC stuff soon then? Would be hard to not promote Hartline in this spot.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

He was a very solid coach at IU and did some good things to get them from very bad to bowl-competetive.

But people at IU were happy to see him go. I wonder if he's mellowed a bit over time.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I know college football’s all about talent acquisition now but can Sanders coach X’s and O’s? Or does he have great coordinators who can?
Sincere question, not trying to be a dick. I’m interested to watch this play out. But my sense was the talent he brought in at JSU was so much better than the competition that scheme and stuff didn’t really matter. That won’t be the case in the Pac-12.

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Here is their staff. You can be the judge. I think Brewster and Thurman are pivotal to his JSU staff.

I doubt anyone really knows for sure what his actual coaching acumen is, but it is probably along the lines of Ed Orgeron when it comes to perception and reality: most probably assume he has no clue but in reality he's better than people think. Not an innovative schematic genius, but he's just good.

When PJ Fleck was at WMU, he was recruiting three star players to a dead end MAC school who should have been going to places like Illinois, Indiana, Iowa and the other mid to low tier Big Ten schools. That was prior to the portal and to NIL. So what Sanders was doing at Jackson State really had not been seen before. He's likely going to be able to recruit and use the portal in similar fashion at Colorado. Their facilities, brand, the town of Boulder and state of Colorado are all upgrades from everything JSU, Jackson and Mississippi. Truly not even close. He told the CU players as much that his JSU kids would go crazy if they saw the CU facilities.

I don't think he's a joke. Much in the same vein I would not underestimate Trent Dilfer at UAB. Times are changing.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Oregon is expected to hire UTSA co-offensive coordinator Will Stein as its offensive coordinator.

Very good hire.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

We can put to bed the Hartline ND OC stuff soon then? Would be hard to not promote Hartline in this spot.

It would be interesting timing since Hartline just interviewed for a HC job and publicly declared he wasn't going to leave.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

North Texas has fired head coach Seth Littrell after seven seasons, the school announced Sunday.

The AD has moved on to WVU so unclear what comes next and who. Justin Fuente, Garrett Riley, Eric Morris and Graham Harrell are a few names that have been mentioned.

 

[dublinirish]

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[BoredIrish]

We can put to bed the Hartline ND OC stuff soon then? Would be hard to not promote Hartline in this spot.

What does Tony Alford have to do to get an OC gig?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Coach O in Vegas....his chasing tail would be worse tha TW golf course time while at ND.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

What does Tony Alford have to do to get an OC gig?

Take a pay cut.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

What does Tony Alford have to do to get an OC gig?

If Coach Prime wants to empower a black man, I'd start with Tony Alford. 54 years old and going into 30 years of coaching. Give the dude a shot at calling plays, even if it is CU and not CSU.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

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What a terrible idea.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is that his daughter or wife at 1:03 saying she loves it?? Either way she is very talented. 😍

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Is that his daughter at 1:03 saying she loves it?? If so, he has a very talented daughter 😍

That's Mrs. Prime, dude.

 

[Katzenboyer]

We can put to bed the Hartline ND OC stuff soon then? Would be hard to not promote Hartline in this spot.

That's actually a really big loss for OSU. He's a big, big reason why their passing game exploded over the last few years.

 

[ACamp1900]

That's Mrs. Prime, dude.

Lucky bastard.

I’m way too into that video for all the wrong reasons

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[MacIrish75]

Idk how people don’t like this guy. I hope he kills it. He’s genuine and authentic and everything guys like Dabo and Jimbo are not.

 

[drayer54]

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[MacIrish75]

Well based on that I am fully expecting Coach O to be introduced as the UNLV boss in the next 24-48 hours lol.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Idk how people don’t like this guy. I hope he kills it. He’s genuine and authentic and everything guys like Dabo and Jimbo are not.

If you really look and think hard enough, it's easy to see why people don't like him, even when he was a player. In fact, you don't have to look and think all that much at all to grasp it. He's come into college coaching at a time that is very uncomfortable for some fans of the sport and he's making things more uncomfortable for those fans. He's also making things uncomfortable for the network of good ol' boys in the sport that see most as outsiders, let alone Deion Sanders. Go to the Jackson State thread on this very board. When he got hired, a lot of people's first reactions were flippant comments about the compliance department and how JSU was going to have violations. This was a first time HC who had been hired, who had no reputation for cheating and violations. Interesting.

He's got people pissed off for what he did at Jackson State and now he's got people pissed off because he left Jackson State. It's two different groups of people, too. Sanders was a lightning rod as a player and now he's coaching in the same manner. I think what's worse for some people is that he ran out of f*cks to give a long time ago, not necessarily in a bad way, but with regards to what people think of him.

This isn't for financial reasons. We know that he doesn't need the money and he's reminded everyone of that. The way he spoke to those CU players, I highly doubt the majority of those kids in that room have ever been spoken to that way in their lives prior to that point by any coach, parent or teacher. Maybe not all of them, but a lot of them. It wasn't the "you have it better than me so I'm going to hate on you" stuff either. He flat out told those kids "you don't think you deserve this" and "if you don't believe in you, how can I believe in you?"

 

[IrishLion]

If you really look and think hard enough, it's easy to see why people don't like him, even when he was a player. In fact, you don't have to look and think all that much at all to grasp it. He's come into college coaching at a time that is very uncomfortable for some fans of the sport and he's making things more uncomfortable for those fans. He's also making things uncomfortable for the network of good ol' boys in the sport that see most as outsiders, let alone Deion Sanders. Go to the Jackson State thread on this very board. When he got hired, a lot of people's first reactions were flippant comments about the compliance department and how JSU was going to have violations. This was a first time HC who had been hired, who had no reputation for cheating and violations. Interesting.

He's got people pissed off for what he did at Jackson State and now he's got people pissed off because he left Jackson State. It's two different groups of people, too. Sanders was a lightning rod as a player and now he's coaching in the same manner. I think what's worse for some people is that he ran out of f*cks to give a long time ago, not necessarily in a bad way, but with regards to what people think of him.

This isn't for financial reasons. We know that he doesn't need the money and he's reminded everyone of that. The way he spoke to those CU players, I highly doubt the majority of those kids in that room have ever been spoken to that way in their lives prior to that point by any coach, parent or teacher. Maybe not all of them, but a lot of them. It wasn't the "you have it better than me so I'm going to hate on you" stuff either. He flat out told those kids "you don't think you deserve this" and "if you don't believe in you, how can I believe in you?"

I can't speak for everyone, and I don't know if I was even present in that thread... but I know my skepticism about Deion following the rules would have been directly related to Prime Prep.

The guy had a great vision, but no regard (or a willing blindness) to the work it would take to make Prime Prep an actual, VIABLE option for students to both get scholarships, and stay eligible.

It was a farce. I can see why people would have been hesitant to believe that he'd run a clean college program in terms of compliance, since his most recent venture had failed many students in that regard.

HOWEVER... there are no signs that anything was amiss at JSU. Just a charismatic dude attracting talented football players, and getting them to perform well despite the spotlight. It does help that his son is a talented QB that could kind of help make the whole thing work, but JSU was more than just Shedeur Sanders at QB and Travis Hunter at DB.

I think his actual coaching chops, or at least his ability to hire great coordinators, will be tested to a much greater extent at Colorado, so the jury is out in that regard. It won't be as simple as recruiting better than everyone else. But he's on the right track if the reports are correct that he's hiring Sean Lewis from Kent State to run his offense.

 

[MacIrish75]

I can't speak for everyone, and I don't know if I was even present in that thread... but I know my skepticism about Deion following the rules would have been directly related to Prime Prep.

The guy had a great vision, but no regard (or a willing blindness) to the work it would take to make Prime Prep an actual, VIABLE option for students to both get scholarships, and stay eligible.

It was a farce. I can see why people would have been hesitant to believe that he'd run a clean college program in terms of compliance, since his most recent venture had failed many students in that regard.

HOWEVER... there are no signs that anything was amiss at JSU. Just a charismatic dude attracting talented football players, and getting them to perform well despite the spotlight. It does help that his son is a talented QB that could kind of help make the whole thing work, but JSU was more than just Shedeur Sanders at QB and Travis Hunter at DB.

I think his actual coaching chops, or at least his ability to hire great coordinators, will be tested to a much greater extent at Colorado, so the jury is out in that regard. It won't be as simple as recruiting better than everyone else. But he's on the right track if the reports are correct that he's hiring Sean Lewis from Kent State to run his offense.

That’s a really good point about Prime Prep. I think he may have potentially used that as a learning experience—specifically to the point that he may be better able to work his “mission” of impacting the lives of young people in an environment where all of the administrative details are largely handled by the university enterprise and he can use his best tools—his charisma and personality—to enhance the football program. I don’t know that he’s a great X/O guy, but so far he’s been able to surround himself with guys who are. To me, that’s the mark of a really smart leader. You know your strengths and hire people to supplement areas where you are weak.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Kent State HC Sean Lewis is reportedly joining Prime's staff at Colorado as the OC.

Big hire.

 

[IrishLion]

That’s a really good point about Prime Prep. I think he may have potentially used that as a learning experience—specifically to the point that he may be better able to work his “mission” of impacting the lives of young people in an environment where all of the administrative details are largely handled by the university enterprise and he can use his best tools—his charisma and personality—to enhance the football program. I don’t know that he’s a great X/O guy, but so far he’s been able to surround himself with guys who are. To me, that’s the mark of a really smart leader. You know your strengths and hire people to supplement areas where you are weak.

Exactly, I should have made it clear in my post that I am NOT skeptical of Deion's desire to help kids pursue their dreams and to help get them to where they want to go, when they otherwise wouldn't have the support system to do so. I do think he sees it as his mission to help kids... but his flashy personality and self confidence seem contradictory to a lot of people in that regard, and I could see how it makes people doubt his authenticity.

(And there was his whole battle with the other admin at Prime Prep about wanting an increased salary, despite knowing that the place was already in a shitload of debt... kind of bush league to use your name and exposure as a negotiating tactic in that setting, even if the other admin were worse shysters than you. He wanted to help kids, but he also wanted to be paid handsomely for his good will, and was demanding it at the worst time. That is a red flag, tbh.)

Now he has his own support system to take care of all the stuff he didn't/couldn't be bothered with at Prime Prep. Stepping up a level to both help kids AND win is perfect for how Sanders wants to operate. He wants to both be the good Samaritan, and also be the coolest guy in the room at all times. He is free to do that with off-field support systems already in place at a DI institution.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wondering if Sanders sticks with Thurman as his DC or if he goes for a Lewis type hire at DC.

Illinois DC and CU alum Ryan Walters would give him a very young, dynamic duo of first lieutenants on his staff. Kent State is not an easy place to win and Sean Lewis did a decent job there. Illinois is also not known for being a winning football program and Walters helped get them up and running pretty quick. His defenses were very good.

Just spitballing here. Ryan Walters is everything most thought Doug Belk was supposed to be at Houston.

 

[greyhammer90]

I don't believe Deon one bit when he says his mission is to help kids. Deon is in the Deon business.

The only difference is that I feel that way about pretty much every college football head coach, so I really don't have a problem with him.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't believe Deon one bit when he says his mission is to help kids. Deon is in the Deon business.

The only difference is that I feel that way about pretty much every college football head coach, so I really don't have a problem with him.

Idk man, I give him the benefit of the doubt on Prime Prep, or at least for the genesis of the situation.

Even if your nickname is on the building because you really love yourself a lot, and even if you're demanding ridiculous salary increases at all the wrong times... you don't put your name on an experimental high school aimed at getting athletes to college unless you really want to help.

Or maybe I've just got my head in the sand lol.