"Clear Red Line" on Iran's Nuclear Program?

[DSully1995]

If i were to be black, and a fan of doing driving rants, I'd create almost this exact same video

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[GreatGolson]

Lets say that iran is able to produce a few ICMBs, there is no way they would be stupid enough to try a first strike against a US ally (especially considering the strong US prescense in the region currently). however if the Israelis launched a preemtive strike (nuclear or non) i feel like it would drag the US in to another war based mostly on airstrikes/dronestrikes/missles based from US warships in the region and Afghanistan ( there would be minimal support at home for a full land invasion of the country)

 

[DSully1995]

Lets say that iran is able to produce a few ICMBs, there is no way they would be stupid enough to try a first strike against a US ally (especially considering the strong US prescense in the region currently). however if the Israelis launched a preemtive strike (nuclear or non) i feel like it would drag the US in to another war based mostly on airstrikes/dronestrikes/missles based from US warships in the region and Afghanistan ( there would be minimal support at home for a full land invasion of the country)

Unless Iran could be blamed for a attack on the homeland, then its once again all hell breaks loose

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Can't not choose a side. That's what Walder Frey would do and he is an ultimate douche.

Ha nice.

 

[phork]

I'm just curious which countries you are referring to that don't get "tangled up in losing battles."

Canada?

 

[TDHeysus]

the US should steer clear of any conflict in the middle east and Israel. That region has been in conflict for 2000 years, to think that the US will have any role in stopping or preventing conflict in that region, is arrogant (to say the least) on a megalomanicial scale.

 

[irishff1014]

Let them blow themselves up trying. We need to quit being the big brother for awhile.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Let them blow themselves up trying. We need to quit being the big brother for awhile.

No, we need to quit being the dumba$$ uncle who is trying to tell his brother how to parent his kid, when the uncle's kid is sh!tstain delinquent.

 

[GreatGolson]

the US should steer clear of any conflict in the middle east and Israel. That region has been in conflict for 2000 years, to think that the US will have any role in stopping or preventing conflict in that region, is arrogant (to say the least) on a megalomanicial scale.

while i agree with your idea reguarding US action, i would argue that the middle east/palestine has seen long streches of peace under Pax Romana, the Mongol empire, and even druing the British occupation. bottom line, the area is a powederkeg right now, but it has not always been that way and certainly will not always be such a volatile area

 

[luckyfc]

If someone said they would kill you, would you take it seriously, or would you shrug it off? Now what if they said that they not only wanted to kill you, but they would also go after everyone that you knew and loved and all that you hold dear, to literally wipe you off the face of the map? Now what if they told you that not only did they want to, but they also thought it was the will of God? At what point would it register that they mean what they said?

As for Mr. Obama, he sent the Churchill bust back to England, told Russia to wait until after the election to screw our allies- when he has more flexibility, and won't even recognize the capital of Israel as Jerusalem.

Mr. Obama's "bumps in the road" were living, breathing people, serving their country. Instead of acting on a warning that they had days in advance, when their death could have been avoided, instead of serving the people he served them up as a sacrifice. To blame this on a video is moronic and laughable.

The only thing I would count on Mr. Obama for is to nearly double our national debt, endear himself and endanger the people of our great nation by associating with known anarchists and the Muslim Brotherhood, work on his golf game, try to fundraise and try to get elected again.

I hate to say this, but I genuinely fear for Israel. This runs much deeper than politics, and we do not have he right President to answer the call for help.

Israel is our only true ally in the middle east. It would be reprehensible for us to stand by and do nothing in the name of political correctness. It would shame me as an American.

God protect them please. In Jesus's Name, Amen.

So...what would you do if you were in their shoes?

 

[pumpdog20]

War with Iran would be just as easy as Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. It's the keeping the peace part that we struggle with. If it comes to it, let the military do their thing, and let Saudi do the nation building.

 

[Irish YJ]

Both sides need to find Jesus.....

I'd love to stay out of it, but you know that will never happen if something does start. If we do jump in,,,,, level all the threats. Don't dip a toe in, don't send ground forces in, just level everything and let the peace keepers come in later and clean it up.

 

[phgreek]

I have thought about that too, but these guys are use Islam like a tool for social control on the people, inside im sure they would rather palaces than a holy sacrifice.

ya know...until recently I would have disagreed...but the more I look into it, the more I find VERY FEW of these "leaders" live the life they espouse...Achmadickintheass...I don't know about him, specifically. We now have some indication OBL was a pussy, and wouldn't even fight for what he "believed in", and talked so many others into kiling themselves for. That guy was a hypocritical coward beatch...I'd guess Achmadickintheass to be the same...spin up everyone else, preach hate, but don't mess with his weekly porn feed, big Mac, fries , and coke.

Although, as a humanitarian mission, someone should open a third eye in that guy's forehead too.

 

[phgreek]

War with Iran would be just as easy as Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. It's the keeping the peace part that we struggle with. If it comes to it, let the military do their thing, and let Saudi do the nation building.

Amen.

 

[Grimm]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to deliver ‘clear red line’ speech on Iran’s nuclear ambitions to UN | World | News | National Post

Israel Prime Minister calls for "red line" to be drawn on Iran's nuclear program. President Obama has a very tough decision to make very soon regarding the US's stance on backing Israel.


What is everyone's take on the issue? How do you see it playing out?

The thing that bothers me so much about this is the timing of Netanyahu in his attempt to make this a real issue in the US. To me, it is clear he is trying to inject this issue into the presidential race and hopes he can box Obama in to give him support - or damage Obama in key states like Florida so he can get a more favorable administration. Obama shouldn't take the bait - and if he gets elected he should make him pay for this move. Last time I checked the US backs Israel to the hilt. Trying to get the US to agree to a red line to go to war to support his agenda (and I think it's important to note that a large segment of people in Israel, perhaps 50% or more, don't themselves support a red line or bombing Iran). No one gets to decide when America goes to war, except Americans. Also, when a country that gets significant money from the US and support starts trying to influence our elections, it's time to push back in demonstrable ways.

Perhaps I'm missing some key facts, but this is just my gut reaction.

 

[WaveDomer]

Ya sure, they can run from it, leave theyre country and people, butr theyll get caught eventually theres no doubt.

Also, our media coverage of the ''wipe off the map''quote is misreprentative

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Ofcourse they want israel gone (since they have a sensible argument that they, like newt gringrich said bout the palestinians, have no historical right to the holy land.

But to say that he would do this a another question

First, I don't really care what Newt says.

Second, you're right about that translation. However, there have been signs put up in military parades that say essentially the same thing. I'm not really trying to pick a side, my point was mainly that there is enough evidence out there that you can't be assured that threat of nuclear retaliation is a deterrent for Iran.

 

[DSully1995]

First, I don't really care what Newt says.

Second, you're right about that translation. However, there have been signs put up in military parades that say essentially the same thing. I'm not really trying to pick a side, my point was mainly that there is enough evidence out there that you can't be assured that threat of nuclear retaliation is a deterrent for Iran.

I mentioned him just out of the blue, but it was mostly to remain neutral, both sides can pull out the ``you have no historical right for the land`` cards, but the jews even less since there have been muslim states before

 

[WaveDomer]

I mentioned him just out of the blue, but it was mostly to remain neutral, both sides can pull out the ``you have no historical right for the land`` cards, but the jews even less since there have been muslim states before

Just giving you "you know what."

 

[jason_h537]

the US should steer clear of any conflict in the middle east and Israel. That region has been in conflict for 2000 years, to think that the US will have any role in stopping or preventing conflict in that region, is arrogant (to say the least) on a megalomanicial scale.

$$$$$ trumps all

 

[BGIF]

the US should steer clear of any conflict in the middle east and Israel. That region has been in conflict for 2000 years, to think that the US will have any role in stopping or preventing conflict in that region, is arrogant (to say the least) on a megalomanicial scale.

Double it.

 

[JadeBrecks]

WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for....

Nothing personal against you CTIDANDREW I'm just using your comment that is said by a lot of people.

Why is it that war is the only thing that makes people look at the books? People don't say the above statement for all the actions that got us in the debt we are in now. The knee jerk reaction to war is " WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for". The knee jerk reaction to most other political deals "what do i get out of it?". As long as people get something out of it it seams nobody cares if we can pay for it. I wish we could even out the thought of how we are paying for things in all things done politically. I think it would help us out greatly.

To be on topic. I think obama has his mind made up what he is going to do/not do but in order to not tick off possible voters it will be avoided as much as possible till after the election.

 

[Redbar]

The thing that bothers me so much about this is the timing of Netanyahu in his attempt to make this a real issue in the US. To me, it is clear he is trying to inject this issue into the presidential race and hopes he can box Obama in to give him support - or damage Obama in key states like Florida so he can get a more favorable administration. Obama shouldn't take the bait - and if he gets elected he should make him pay for this move. Last time I checked the US backs Israel to the hilt. Trying to get the US to agree to a red line to go to war to support his agenda (and I think it's important to note that a large segment of people in Israel, perhaps 50% or more, don't themselves support a red line or bombing Iran). No one gets to decide when America goes to war, except Americans. Also, when a country that gets significant money from the US and support starts trying to influence our elections, it's time to push back in demonstrable ways.

Perhaps I'm missing some key facts, but this is just my gut reaction.

Agreed. How many armed conflicts are we going to get into, how much money are we going to spend to advance someone else's foreign policy objectives? I support Israel and understand they are in a difficult spot but they wanted that land and they understood who their neighbors would be. They need to hammer out some compromises or deal with the consequences but quit looking to us to take out everyone who they perceive as a threat.

 

[BGIF]

Agreed. How many armed conflicts are we going to get into, how much money are we going to spend to advance someone else's foreign policy objectives? I support Israel and understand they are in a difficult spot but they wanted that land and they understood who their neighbors would be. They need to hammer out some compromises or deal with the consequences but quit looking to us to take out everyone who they perceive as a threat.

The Arabs aren't interested in a compromise. Never have been.

The consequence is their elimination. Extinction. The first battle the Israelis lose is the last battle they lose.


Who have we "taken out" on their behalf?

I don't recall American Military being involved in 1948 when the Arab nation collectively attacked.

Don't recall American Military in Six Day War or Yom Kipper either.

And didn't they take out a nuclear reactor under construction with an air raid a generation ago?

Are you saying we took out Saddam, Bin *****, or even Qaddafi for Israel!

 

[Grimm]

The Arabs aren't interested in a compromise. Never have been.

The consequence is their elimination. Extinction. The first battle the Israelis lose is the last battle they lose.

Just out of curiosity, do you support a red line concept (meaning US would agree to go to war to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons) ... or, maybe more watered down, at least support Israel in bombing Iran without the tacit support of the US. Not suggesting your statements indicate that you do or don't.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Nothing personal against you CTIDANDREW I'm just using your comment that is said by a lot of people.

Why is it that war is the only thing that makes people look at the books? People don't say the above statement for all the actions that got us in the debt we are in now. The knee jerk reaction to war is " WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for". The knee jerk reaction to most other political deals "what do i get out of it?". As long as people get something out of it it seams nobody cares if we can pay for it. I wish we could even out the thought of how we are paying for things in all things done politically. I think it would help us out greatly.

To be on topic. I think obama has his mind made up what he is going to do/not do but in order to not tick off possible voters it will be avoided as much as possible till after the election.

You're right and I'm no person of any stature to question the governments spending. (Although I feel we can all agree they have let us down recently). I'm just of the opinion no good can come from declaring war on Iran. Others think otherwise and that is fine, there are plenty of ex-military members on this site I'd rather hear their opinion on this matter and form my opinion based on what they have to say.

Also, to answer some people enquiries on where I'd like to think about moving. Australia seems nice. I love this country and the people that make it up. I'm just very scared what it will look like in 25 years if we keep up these old bad habits.

 

[IrishLax]

You're right and I'm no person of any stature to question the governments spending. (Although I feel we can all agree they have let us down recently). I'm just of the opinion no good can come from declaring war on Iran. Others think otherwise and that is fine, there are plenty of ex-military members on this site I'd rather hear their opinion on this matter and form my opinion based on what they have to say.

Also, to answer some people enquiries on where I'd like to think about moving. Australia seems nice. I love this country and the people that make it up. I'm just very scared what it will look like in 25 years if we keep up these old bad habits.

 

[Bluto]

The Arabs aren't interested in a compromise. Never have been.

The consequence is their elimination. Extinction. The first battle the Israelis lose is the last battle they lose.


Who have we "taken out" on their behalf?

I don't recall American Military being involved in 1948 when the Arab nation collectively attacked.

Don't recall American Military in Six Day War or Yom Kipper either.

And didn't they take out a nuclear reactor under construction with an air raid a generation ago?

Are you saying we took out Saddam, Bin *****, or even Qaddafi for Israel!

No offense, but the Iranians are Persians not Arabs and there are huge differences culturaly and in the form of Islam they practice. Also, to lay the blame for what is going on in the middle east squarely on one group ignores the entire history of the region. I'm a bit disappointed in the level of bigotry in this post.

 

[WaveDomer]

To the statement that the U.S. should just stay out of it. If Iran gets nuclear capability the entire world will be affected. Even if they do nothing with those weapons beyond use them as a bargaining chip, the world is affected. That's the way it is nowadays. And that's the way it is when you have a weapon that can travel anywhere in a half hour and can exert control of a region. The world is large but it's also small in regards to many things. I think it's naive to believe it's just Israel's problem.

Develop and master missile defense systems and proceed to give them to every country in the world.

 

[Bluto]

First, I don't really care what Newt says.

Second, you're right about that translation. However, there have been signs put up in military parades that say essentially the same thing. I'm not really trying to pick a side, my point was mainly that there is enough evidence out there that you can't be assured that threat of nuclear retaliation is a deterrent for Iran.

Come one. This statement insinuates that the Iranian leaders are completely insane and seek their own self destruction and the destruction of the entire state of Iran.

Here's an interesting op ed on this subject. The most interesting point being that "if" Iran ever gained nukes and launched a nuclear attack on Israel it would kill a huge number of Muslims and the fallout would kill and effect populations in Egypt, Syria, Lebenon... ect.

James Zogby: Dealing With Iran

Anyhow, off to work. Enjoy the bye weekend. What is up with Stanford's offense? Haha

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Netenyahu is a warmonger just like Ahmadinejad. Both of these are horrible states interested in genocide of the other side and neither should be getting support from the United States. This country will have failed if we let Israel drag us into a war because they are power-crazy.