"Clear Red Line" on Iran's Nuclear Program?

[Walter White]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to deliver ‘clear red line’ speech on Iran’s nuclear ambitions to UN | World | News | National Post

Israel Prime Minister calls for "red line" to be drawn on Iran's nuclear program. President Obama has a very tough decision to make very soon regarding the US's stance on backing Israel.


What is everyone's take on the issue? How do you see it playing out?

 

[Irish Houstonian]

... How do you see it playing out?

Rhetoric. Then a lot of campaigning. Then some rhetoric while campaigning. Then some more interviews, and then the debates.

Seriously. Nothing Netanyahu can say will change anything the U.S. does right now. Either for or against Israel.

 

[tadman95]

Heard some "expert" talking today, said at the end of the day, the only ones that can keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon are the Iranians.

Probably some truth to that.

 

[FLDomer]

Isreal doesnt have the highest hope for support from Prez Obama....I know the feel among a large amount of the Jewish Community is disappointed in Obama's policies towards Isreal. I wish I had taken a pic of the billborad off the turnpike near Boca Raton when I was visiting the other week, that read "OYE VEA Obama....we have had enough!"

 

[irishog77]

Heard some "expert" talking today, said at the end of the day, the only ones that can keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon are the Iranians.

Probably some truth to that.

Yeah. And that sounds pretty scary when you say that out loud.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for....

I love America and the regular hard working american people that make it up(you guys). But once I get the chance I can't wait to move abroad and live in a country that doesn't get tangled up in losing battles.

 

[Buster Bluth]

It's a very interesting situation. Iran is 10x the opponent Iraq or North Korea were/are.

Israel has the sovereign right to defend itself and wage war as it sees fit. If they do attack Iran, I hope the US stays the **** away from it. Sell them everything they need though, we could use the cash.

 

[PLACforever]

Nuke and pave

 

[SaltyND24]

It's a very interesting situation. Iran is 10x the opponent Iraq or North Korea were/are.

Israel has the sovereign right to defend itself and wage war as it sees fit. If they do attack Iran, I hope the US stays the **** away from it. Sell them everything they need though, we could use the cash.

+1...we need to stay as far away militarily if Israel chooses to do so...Sometimes we just need to chill and be Sweden

 

[RyCo1983]

Team America...World Police no longer!

 

[bobbyok1]

Yeah we should stay away from Iran/Israel conflict because once Iran crushes Israel their power hungry, Islamic extremist, West hating, insane dictator of a leader will never consider attacking the USA next.

 

[irishog77]

I don't know. As much as we can't afford it, I'd hate the idea of Israel going it alone over there. First, it would be them versus Iran...and then the other mideast nations/groups/brotherhoods/clans would probably jump into the fray with their newfound Iranian best buds. Plus, does anybody really doubt Iran using a nuclear weapon, against somebody (if they have one)?

 

[Bobias]

It's a very interesting situation. Iran is 10x the opponent Iraq or North Korea were/are.

Israel has the sovereign right to defend itself and wage war as it sees fit. If they do attack Iran, I hope the US stays the **** away from it. Sell them everything they need though, we could use the cash.

Absolutely. Arms manufacturing is extremely lucrative, and would definitely be a huge boost to our economy. Plus we would save on our already astronomical military budget because it is Israel fighting and not us thus turning those expenses into revenues instead.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

+1...we need to stay as far away militarily if Israel chooses to do so...Sometimes we just need to chill and be Sweden

I think you mean Switzerland. Unless you mean we should support the war and/or invade them with Volvo's and Nokia phones. Maybe set up some IKEA military bases.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for....

I love America and the regular hard working american people that make it up(you guys). But once I get the chance I can't wait to move abroad and live in a country that doesn't get tangled up in losing battles.

I'm just curious which countries you are referring to that don't get "tangled up in losing battles."

 

[no.1IrishFan]

WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for....

I love America and the regular hard working american people that make it up(you guys). But once I get the chance I can't wait to move abroad and live in a country that doesn't get tangled up in losing battles.

 

[CHIDomer9]

Isreal doesnt have the highest hope for support from Prez Obama....I know the feel among a large amount of the Jewish Community is disappointed in Obama's policies towards Isreal. I wish I had taken a pic of the billborad off the turnpike near Boca Raton when I was visiting the other week, that read "OYE VEA Obama....we have had enough!"

That seems to be a popular meme, but it is not true.

Jewish Voters in U.S. Back Obama

While Republicans may look favorably on Romney's visit to Israel, another group with keen interest in U.S.-Israeli relations -- Jewish Americans -- solidly backs Obama in the election.

Gallup Daily tracking from June 1-July 26 finds Jewish registered voters favoring Obama over Romney by 68% to 25%. That is essentially the same as Gallup's prior update on Jewish voting preferences.

 

[ThePiombino]

WooHooo...more Wars we can't at all justify paying for....

I love America and the regular hard working american people that make it up(you guys). But once I get the chance I can't wait to move abroad and live in a country that doesn't get tangled up in losing battles.

Peace.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Both countries are trouble.

 

[FLDomer]

That seems to be a popular meme, but it is not true.

Jewish Voters in U.S. Back Obama

The adds I saw on TV and the billboards were sponsored by the Jewish Council....just say

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

As someone that use to live in Israel and have many friends there still....I am worried. $hit is about to hit the fan, Israelis are not really good at sitting idle while their neighbors load up.

 

[bobbyok1]

That seems to be a popular meme, but it is not true.

Jewish Voters in U.S. Back Obama

The adds I saw on TV and the billboards were sponsored by the Jewish Council....just say

Nothing new here. Whether Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc., Jewish voters have traditionally voted heavily democratic.

"Although one goal of Romney's Israel visit could be to attract greater support among Jewish voters in the U.S., Jewish Americans have been a traditionally strong Democratic group, so they are unlikely to become much more supportive of Romney regardless of the outcome of the trip."

 

[IrishLax]

Can't not choose a side. That's what Walder Frey would do and he is an ultimate douche.

 

[DSully1995]

It's a very interesting situation. Iran is 10x the opponent Iraq or North Korea were/are.

Israel has the sovereign right to defend itself and wage war as it sees fit. If they do attack Iran, I hope the US stays the **** away from it. Sell them everything they need though, we could use the cash.

I think everyone knows that wouldnt happen, the US would probly do most of the fighting, based on the way politicians suck up to israel.



I see two scenarios :

They get the nuke, they dont fire, neither doesnt anyone else, everyone shits themselves scared but war is averted


They get pre-emptively struck by israel/us, hell breaks loose

 

[DSully1995]

I don't know. As much as we can't afford it, I'd hate the idea of Israel going it alone over there. First, it would be them versus Iran...and then the other mideast nations/groups/brotherhoods/clans would probably jump into the fray with their newfound Iranian best buds. Plus, does anybody really doubt Iran using a nuclear weapon, against somebody (if they have one)?

YES. These gues might be anti-semetic *******s, but theyre one thing they care more about then Israel: THEMSELVES. They launch a nuke, they a pile of nuclear waste within hours, no doubt about it. Thats why I see them wanitng it just to even the playing field. Countries with nukes are highly feared and not ****ed with.

 

[BGIF]

Nothing new here. Whether Obama, Clinton, Carter, etc., Jewish voters have traditionally voted heavily democratic. ...

The Jewish vote started going Democrat around 1920. Many Jews were at the lower end of the economic scale working in sweat shops. Many were immigrants or the children of immigrants with home schooling in "the old country" pogroms and 2000 years of Diaspora. They were active in the labor movement, anti-slavery, women's voting, etc probably before the Democratic Party was. They were active in the NAACP and among the founders of the ACLU. Many supported the concept of communism as they identified with millennia of persecution.

They voted over 50% for Woodrow Wilson and firmly embraced FDR. Jimmy Carter's second election may be the only time since that they didn't vote a Democrat majority.

If there is a wedge issue for Jewish voters, "Next year in Jerusalem" would be it.

 

[jason_h537]

YES. These gues might be anti-semetic *******s, but theyre one thing they care more about then Israel: THEMSELVES. They launch a nuke, they a pile of nuclear waste within hours, no doubt about it. Thats why I see them wanitng it just to even the playing field. Countries with nukes are highly feared and not ****ed with.

I think they would use it. Iran is a theocracy. they are governed by their religion and consider the text the word of God. That means their actions are the actions of God. If they get a nuke it is to use it in God's name. Don't ever underestimate the craziness of religious nuts.

 

[DSully1995]

I think they would use it. Iran is a theocracy. they are governed by their religion and consider the text the word of God. That means their actions are the actions of God. If they get a nuke it is to use it in God's name. Don't ever underestimate the craziness of religious nuts.

I have thought about that too, but these guys are use Islam like a tool for social control on the people, inside im sure they would rather palaces than a holy sacrifice.

 

[WaveDomer]

I have thought about that too, but these guys are use Islam like a tool for social control on the people, inside im sure they would rather palaces than a holy sacrifice.

True. However, there have been leaders who don't think twice about killing their own people. Mutually Assured Destruction worked in the Cold War because the countries involved didn't want to destroy their citizens. High ranking Iranian officials have said what their goal is, to wipe Israel off the map, and Iran’s former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has said, “application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world.” You can't compare what worked in the Cold War to what would work with this situation. The differences between the Soviet Union back then and the U.S. were largely ideological. That is not the case with Iran and Israel/America. The Soviet Union never used suicide bombers either. It would not be difficult for such leaders to give the order and be in a different part of the world while that order is executed.

 

[DSully1995]

True. However, there have been leaders who don't think twice about killing their own people. Mutually Assured Destruction worked in the Cold War because the countries involved didn't want to destroy their citizens. High ranking Iranian officials have said what their goal is, to wipe Israel off the map, and Iran’s former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has said, “application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world.” You can't compare what worked in the Cold War to what would work with this situation. The differences between the Soviet Union back then and the U.S. were largely ideological. That is not the case with Iran and Israel/America. The Soviet Union never used suicide bombers either. It would not be difficult for such leaders to give the order and be in a different part of the world while that order is executed.

Ya sure, they can run from it, leave theyre country and people, butr theyll get caught eventually theres no doubt.

Also, our media coverage of the ''wipe off the map''quote is misreprentative

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Ofcourse they want israel gone (since they have a sensible argument that they, like newt gringrich said bout the palestinians, have no historical right to the holy land.

But to say that he would do this a another question