Clark Lea - Defensive Coordinator

FDNYIrish1

ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THESE ONESIES???
Messages
3,015
Reaction score
5,237
We have a ton of talent on this team and coming in. This is an incredible job for a whole lot of talented coaches. Last year Elko was a relative unknown commodity. Yeah he was a good recruiter. Selling ND. We will survive this. Notre Dame helped Elko as much as he helped us. This is a home run job for someone and people will be lining up to take it.
 

Veritate Duce Progredi

A man gotta have a code
Messages
9,358
Reaction score
5,352
Ideally we'll have someone with a similar system because that's what we've been recruiting towards and that's what our players know.

I'm desperately trying not to harbor ill will towards Elko for giving one year and jumping for a few hundred thou more. He just signed his first class for ND and had been giving interviews on how year two allows people to dive deeper into the system.

And yes, I do fault him because I don't think I'd make that jump in a similar situation unless there were other mitigating factors.
 

Rizzophil

Well-known member
Messages
2,431
Reaction score
579
The good news is that BK knows what a good defensive Coordinator looks like now in regards to recruiting, culture, scheme. I’m hopefully we find a similar coach
 

GATTACA!

It's about to get gross
Messages
15,120
Reaction score
12,954
Ok its tertiary to my main point anyway. I am not even aggrieved. Its the nature of the business. "Fuck you pay me". Point is Its public record now what ND's ceiling is for DC. If they go and hire someone for more money then it was pointless and very very stupid not to keep Elko by paying him more.

So ND's ceiling is higher than 126 of 128 teams?

Seems okay to me.



Jim Leonard would be a great pull IMO.
 

spoonidentity

Well-known member
Messages
332
Reaction score
392
jimmy lake

don't know if this is accurate but :WASHINGTON HUSKIES
Salary: $375,000

He’s currently a co-DC though. A Lea/Lake combo at DC would likely entail Elston looking for greener pastures. Fair enough. Whose scheme do they run? Does ND have the pieces for a Washington style 3-4?

Jimmy Lake was originally hired as DB coach for UW and was promoted to Co-DC with Pete K.

His scheme runs A LOT of nickel. In last year's draft he had 3 DBs drafted in first 35 picks. I think it would work very well for him to come into this current scheme especially with the DBs we have coming in.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/09/washington-huskies-nickelback-jimmy-lake-myles-bryant

(Salary info for 2017/2018)
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...inator-jimmy-lake-expected-to-return-in-2018/
 

BobbyMac

Staff & Stuff
Staff member
Messages
33,950
Reaction score
9,295
Sounds like Elko and his agent screwed up, they could've gotten another $500,000 per year if they would've kept saying no, cause A & M just kept upping their offer.

Without a doubt they did. They could have kept telling A&M ND matched up to at least $2.25 I bet before they had to worry about them blinking. In the auto auction biz theats what we refer to as lost money when two guys are on the same care and one jumps off and the other guy gets the car at that price instead of what he was prepared to pay. That's why the classic car auctions have a barker on each buyer trying to find out what the max is and then they convey it to the auctioneer and other barker through speech codes and hand signals. They don't leave money unfound.

I think they should just promote Lea for continuity. Replacing two good coaches on that side of the ball and bringing in another new scheme (3rd in 3 years) is asking for Tillery and Coney to leave for sure, and even Tranquill to change his mind.

I think any outside hire is asking for trouble.

100. Promote Lea and do give Elston the Co- title and a bump to keep him happy. A buddy of mine who's very close to the inner workings at ND told me he expected Elston to take a Cincy/WKU/High paying MAC type job when he got the associate HC job title. Like it was a set up to make that happen. If Elston has a prob with it, bring in Dave Cohen from Wake to replace him on the DL. Adding Wake's LB coach, Brad Sherrod is a no brainer also. Duke grad, very good player, was Sam Houston's DC when they were #1 FCS, the rest of his coaching career was in the ACC footprint - UMass to the Carolinas and he played in NC too. Great demo hire.

Then you can hang on to Elko's 4 - 2.5 - 4.5 Rover scheme.


jimmy lake

don't know if this is accurate but :WASHINGTON HUSKIES
Salary: $375,000

He makes $650k base now. Pete makes $875k base.


Pretty sure Ol' Crus loves that guy, but Lake was most recently seen negging ND to Kyler Gordon. Would he even come?

Love that staff. UDub's my back-up school.

He’s currently a co-DC though. A Lea/Lake combo at DC would likely entail Elston looking for greener pastures. Fair enough. Whose scheme do they run? Does ND have the pieces for a Washington style 3-4?

I actually think ND could switch over with what they have on and incoming but staying with the Rover-D is best because of continuity. You could hire Pete K and Jimmy Lake both and they would have a down year on the re-boot when I don't think it's needed.

NO ONE thinks Lea is incapable. I think his time is now. I love this system because you can target guys for the system that traditional schemes aren't fighting for you as much. JOK and JGH were easy flips at the end of a cycle because they didn't have Top 10 offers... because they didn't fit those program's parameters.

Last thing I'll say about the UDub guys. They have spent their entire careers in the west, They aren't national recruiters typically. I'm not saying they couldn't but Lake is from Spokane and has played/coached college either in FCS NW, Boise or Washington. Pete K is a SoCal guy who went to the NW to play/coach and hasn't left.

I like the Lea and rob Wake again route better.

I would love for Pete K to get an interview or at least the honor of being publicly considered. He grew up an ND fan in Trojan country like a good Catholic should. I'm sure he'd be honored but pretty sure he's happy though as his total package is @ $1M.
 
Last edited:

ab2cmiller

Troublemaker in training
Messages
11,455
Reaction score
8,536
Right or wrong, I don't think there is any way that Lea is hired as DC over Elston. Last time BK chose an "outsider" with a proven track record as a DC over Elston. If anyone is going to get the promotion, it will be Elston. The fact that the outsider left after one year means that BK will more likely go back to one of his loyal assistants.
 

PANDFAN

Look Down
Messages
16,770
Reaction score
2,278
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SOURCES: Texas is in talks with DC Todd Orlando for an extension and raise that will make him a Top 5 paid defensive coordinator.</p>— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/949308245369393154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

dublinirish

Everestt Gholstonson
Messages
27,335
Reaction score
13,096
obvious when aranda got his new deal it was gonna kick off an arms race for DC's to demand bigger deals. Kinda sad ND didnt want to compete tbh..
 

NDdomer2

Local Sports vBookie
Messages
17,050
Reaction score
3,875
Right or wrong, I don't think there is any way that Lea is hired as DC over Elston. Last time BK chose an "outsider" with a proven track record as a DC over Elston. If anyone is going to get the promotion, it will be Elston. The fact that the outsider left after one year means that BK will more likely go back to one of his loyal assistants.

there has to be some sort of middle ground here right. Someone who has coached with Kelly but has carved his own path so to speak.
 

indianamouse

Just a simple man
Messages
646
Reaction score
733
obvious when aranda got his new deal it was gonna kick off an arms race for DC's to demand bigger deals. Kinda sad ND didnt want to compete tbh..

Notre dame did compete. They offered a top 10 salary. If Elko was in year 5 and our defence was the best out there, then yes, throw a truckload of money at him. 1 year of results doesn't not equal best DC ever.
 

ab2cmiller

Troublemaker in training
Messages
11,455
Reaction score
8,536
there has to be some sort of middle ground here right. Someone who has coached with Kelly but has carved his own path so to speak.

Probably. Not sure who that would be.

I'm not suggesting that BK is going to promote Elston or that he's even going to promote anyone from within. I'm just saying that IF he's going to promote anyone, I can almost guarantee that if he had to choose one, he would choose Elston over Lea.
 
K

koonja

Guest
Is there any merit to Lea vs. Elston other than "Elston has been here a while and is loyal", and "Lea knows Elko's system"?

Just wondering if there's any experience with either one, even if for a short time. Or if there's reason to believe one would be better/worse than the other? Or is it as simple as deciding between the two based on the above.
 

dublinirish

Everestt Gholstonson
Messages
27,335
Reaction score
13,096
Notre dame did compete. They offered a top 10 salary. If Elko was in year 5 and our defence was the best out there, then yes, throw a truckload of money at him. 1 year of results doesn't not equal best DC ever.

top 10 at the time maybe but stacking up with the new DC deals that will come to pass post Feb signing day then it probably wouldn't be.
 

BobbyMac

Staff & Stuff
Staff member
Messages
33,950
Reaction score
9,295
obvious when aranda got his new deal it was gonna kick off an arms race for DC's to demand bigger deals. Kinda sad ND didnt want to compete tbh..

That's my beef. ND has the most reason to be the highest paying destination job. The school not only is where it is today because of the football program but it exists today because of the football program. Every dollar put into the program, reaps rewards.

The tremendous outreach that ND provides on its own and through the church nationwide is a priceless treasure. The fellowship, community and pride it promotes in MY daily life is amazing. I wear an ND polo most times to Mass. Not a day goes by that someone doesn't stop me to talk about the Irish, often times a group of us end up talking about some aspect of Notre Dame and how it's interwoven into our lives.

No matter if I'm in:

Chicagoland
The Region
Michiana
Evansville
Orange Co
San Diego
Scottsdale

The Notre Dame community is strong... and it's centerpiece is the football program.

They have the money, they have the reason, be the best. It's why you are who you are.

.
 

zelezo vlk

Well-known member
Messages
18,013
Reaction score
5,055
Is there any merit to Lea vs. Elston other than "Elston has been here a while and is loyal", and "Lea knows Elko's system"?

Just wondering if there's any experience with either one, even if for a short time. Or if there's reason to believe one would be better/worse than the other? Or is it as simple as deciding between the two based on the above.

Well Lea was Elko's replacement as DC for Wake in the 2016 bowl game and absolutely demolished Temple.
 

stlnd01

Was away. Now returned.
Messages
13,387
Reaction score
10,249
Well Lea was Elko's replacement as DC for Wake in the 2016 bowl game and absolutely demolished Temple.

And wasn’t Elston effectively the DC after BVG got fired? Our defense got a lot better then. Also he’s one of our best recruiters.
 

IrishFanJMercy

New member
Messages
2,485
Reaction score
40
I'd rather have ND higher a young up and coming DC who can coach and recruit their asses off and relate to guys.
 

IrishLax

Something Witty
Staff member
Messages
37,546
Reaction score
29,005
I'd rather have ND higher a young up and coming DC who can coach and recruit their asses off and relate to guys.

Hire*

And why don't you give an example of someone who fits that bill AND ND could hire right now.
 

stlnd01

Was away. Now returned.
Messages
13,387
Reaction score
10,249
Bill Belicheck may be available soon

Ha. Was thinking the same thing reading that story this morning. He ought get out of New England while the getting is good.
Not that it would happen, but if he were interested in ND I’d toss Kelly right quick, and I’ve always been Team BK.
 

Pops Freshenmeyer

Well-known member
Messages
5,112
Reaction score
2,457
Ha. Was thinking the same thing reading that story this morning. He ought get out of New England while the getting is good.
Not that it would happen, but if he were interested in ND I’d toss Kelly right quick, and I’ve always been Team BK.

That would be quite a plot twist.
 

indianamouse

Just a simple man
Messages
646
Reaction score
733
Notre Dame should just go the Mike Gundy route and just look online for a guy at a small school in the middle of nowhere.
 
Top