CFB Playoff

[phork]

So FSU is now #4. First defending national champion still undefeated and could be left out of the playoff if OhioSt can magically dump a load on Wisky and FSU looks unimpressive in the ACC champ game. LOLZ GO PLAYOFF

 

[anarin]

Won't happen. The backlash from that would be INSANE.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

Win and they are in the playoffs. Even ugly win gets them in.

 

[irishfan]

So stupid. FSU has won 28 games in a row. They're undefeated regardless of how ugly it may look. Played OK State, ND, and Florida out of conference...what more were they supposed to do?

So, if Mississippi State had beaten Ole Miss, would FSU be #5 right now?

I don't think the committee would have the balls to do that.

I'm also going to pretty annoyed if 11-1 TCU makes it in over 11-1 Baylor.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Still don't get how Baylor is 3 spots below TCU. Is Minnesota really that much of a schedule changer?

 

[anarin]

The only true way to rank these teams is to get rid of pre-season rankings. And give a true rank after so many weeks into the season. I think the playoff would look much different at this point if this happened.

Maybe this would cut down on the SEC over ranking as well.

 

[IrishLax]

Baylor absolutely deserves to be below TCU, IMO. TCU got hosed in their head-to-head game and scheduling cupcakes like Baylor should be discouraged. Yes, TCU is lucky Minnesota isn't a scrub, but it's the way the cookie crumbled.

Ohio State... who both sucks and hasn't played anyone and lost to freaking Virginia Tech... has no business being anywhere close to their current slotting relative to FSU.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Baylor absolutely deserves to be below TCU, IMO. TCU got hosed in their head-to-head game and scheduling cupcakes like Baylor should be discouraged. Yes, TCU is lucky Minnesota isn't a scrub, but it's the way the cookie crumbled.

Ohio State... who both sucks and hasn't played anyone and lost to freaking Virginia Tech... has no business being anywhere close to their current slotting relative to FSU.

I think TCU is a way tougher out in the playoffs than Baylor would be, but I don't like how BU's W against TCU is dismissed and nullified by a perceived slight. Same is the case for FSU, wins are wins.

 

[Wild Bill]

Baylor absolutely deserves to be below TCU, IMO. TCU got hosed in their head-to-head game and scheduling cupcakes like Baylor should be discouraged. Yes, TCU is lucky Minnesota isn't a scrub, but it's the way the cookie crumbled.

Ohio State... who both sucks and hasn't played anyone and lost to freaking Virginia Tech... has no business being anywhere close to their current slotting relative to FSU.

All things being relatively equal, i.e., they're in the same conference and they have the same record, I would give the nod to the winner of the head to head game.

TCU scheduled cupcakes too - Samford and SMU. The only difference in their schedule is TCU played Minnesota while Baylor played Buffalo. Minnesota is tougher, sure, but not tough enough for me to disregard the head to head game.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

CFB Playoff

All things being relatively equal, i.e., they're in the same conference and they have the same record, I would give the nod to the winner of the head to head game.



TCU scheduled cupcakes too - Samford and SMU. The only difference in their schedule is TCU played Minnesota while Baylor played Buffalo. Minnesota is tougher, sure, but not tough enough for me to disregard the head to head game.

The funniest part is people are pining for a "Big XII CG" between Baylor and TCU, like they didn't already play, and the conference has said they will acknowledge both as conference champions if they both finish 11-1. That's just posturing on their part. Don't want to hurt the slim hopes of getting both in by only backing one team from your conference.

 

[gkIrish]

So TCU beating a terrible Texas team by 38 while FSU beat an SEC team by 5 is enough to completely leapfrog an undefeated FSU? Moronic.

 

[Bishop2b5]

FSU is undefeated and the defending national champ, but we've all seen them play. They haven't dominated a good team all year, have looked bad at times, have come within a gnat's hair of losing several times, and have just not looked like a #1 team all season.

 

[anarin]

So TCU beating a terrible Texas team by 38 while FSU beat an SEC team by 5 is enough to completely leapfrog an undefeated FSU? Moronic.

Your statement would hold more water if that SEC team wasn't Florida.

But I do agree they shouldn't jump over them.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ohio State... who both sucks and hasn't played anyone and lost to freaking Virginia Tech... has no business being anywhere close to their current slotting relative to FSU.

You think Ohio State sucks? Is this with or without Barrett? I think they have a case for the best offense in college football with Barrett.

I think 100% of Irish fans would also be demanding a mulligan for the Virginia Tech game if the program was in the same position.

No, I don't think Ohio State deserves to be in the playoff. But they sure as shit don't suck.

 

[dang227]

Ohio State lost to a bad VT squad at HOME, struggled with Penn State, Indiana and Michigan. Their claim to fame is beating Mich St who in their own right hasn't beaten anyone but 9-3 Nebraska. The Big Ten is absolutely pitiful. Minnesota and Wisconsin don't even have MAC level QB's. It goes to show that strength of schedule doesn't mean shit to the committee.


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[Wild Bill]

FSU is undefeated and the defending national champ, but we've all seen them play. They haven't dominated a good team all year, have looked bad at times, have come within a gnat's hair of losing several times, and have just not looked like a #1 team all season.

To be fair, you can say the same thing about bama.

 

[Wild Bill]

You think Ohio State sucks? Is this with or without Barrett? I think they have a case for the best offense in college football with Barrett.

I think 100% of Irish fans would also be demanding a mulligan for the Virginia Tech game if the program was in the same position.

No, I don't think Ohio State deserves to be in the playoff. But they sure as shit don't suck.

Not if ND's schedule resembled OSU's. It's just awful.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ohio State lost to a bad VT squad at HOME, struggled with Penn State, Indiana and Michigan.

With a RS-Freshmen QB making his second start, who then went on to rewrite the record books at one of the best programs in the country. It's almost like teams get better or worse as the year goes on, hence the desire for a mulligan from the OSU fan base.

And I don't think you watch enough college football if you're surprised by teams having close games with athletically inferior opponents.

Their claim to fame is beating Mich St who in their own right hasn't beaten anyone but 9-3 Nebraska.

Nebraska and nine other teams. They're 10-2. You don't win ten games without being halfway decent at football as much as you'd like so shit on them.

The Big Ten is absolutely pitiful.

The Big Ten has five quality teams. Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska. I guess I'm sorry they don't hold up to NFL standards. It's college football we're dealing with here. It's arguably a better conference than the ACC. The Pac-12, SEC, and Big 12 have separated themselves from the rest of course.

Minnesota and Wisconsin don't even have MAC level QB's.

I'll set your hyperbole aside for a moment and remind you that teams can have redeeming qualities outside of quarterback play. Quarterback play is the reason Wisconsin isn't undefeated, but that doesn't mean they aren't a good team.

It goes to show that strength of schedule doesn't mean shit to the committee.

Or, it doesn't mean everything. Nor should it. That's an equally stupid way to go about sorting it out. Also...you know Ohio State isn't in the playoff right?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not if ND's schedule resembled OSU's. It's just awful.

I don't think it's awful. I think it's average. I think it's below that of the Pac-12/Big 12/SEC, but I think it's pretty on par with ACC teams or anyone else.

Should they win Saturday (please no), they'll have wins against Michigan State, Wisconsin and Minnesota. I'm not sure how that's much worse than Florida State from a simple schedule comparison (not resume, obviously the loss to Virginia Tech holds them back).

 

[koonja]

With a RS-Freshmen QB making his second start, who then went on to rewrite the record books at one of the best programs in the country. It's almost like teams get better or worse as the year goes on, hence the desire for a mulligan from the OSU fan base.

And I don't think you watch enough college football if you're surprised by teams having close games with athletically inferior opponents.



Nebraska and nine other teams. They're 10-2. You don't win ten games without being halfway decent at football as much as you'd like so shit on them.


The Big Ten has five quality teams. Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska. I guess I'm sorry they don't hold up to NFL standards. It's college football we're dealing with here. It's arguably a better conference than the ACC. The Pac-12, SEC, and Big 12 have separated themselves from the rest of course.



I'll set your hyperbole aside for a moment and remind you that teams can have redeeming qualities outside of quarterback play. Quarterback play is the reason Wisconsin isn't undefeated, but that doesn't mean they aren't a good team.



Or, it doesn't mean everything. Nor should it. That's an equally stupid way to go about sorting it out. Also...you know Ohio State isn't in the playoff right?

Who cares? Virigina Tech was starting a true Junior who was also making his 2nd career start. He went on the road and beat OSU. It's not like VT was trotting Logan Thomas into the horseshoe that night.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Who cares? Virigina Tech was starting a true Junior who was also making his 2nd career start. He went on the road and beat OSU. It's not like VT was trotting Logan Thomas into the horseshoe that night.

I'll simply say you're out of your damn might if Golson got hurt in preseason and Zaire went out out there and lost to Michigan and then rewrote all of Notre Dame's QB records during the rest of the season. Everyone on this forum would be in the exact same mode as Ohio State fans right now.

I'm not forgiving the loss to Virginia Tech from a resume perspective. There's just an obvious reason why it happened (in truth the four new OL hurt more and they got muuuuch better as the season went on) and it doesn't hurt to recognize it.

Simple test, if Virginia Tech and Ohio State played last Saturday who would you put money on?

We sit here and forgive TCU for their loss to Baylor (rightfully so, in my opinion) but show great bias in hating on Ohio State's season. It's pretty silly.

 

[anarin]

It was the curse of Navy. Those damn midshipmen

(in reference to the buckeyes)

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I want some serious, end of days chaos:

Mizzou beats Bama
GT beats FSU
Zona beats Oregon
Wisky beats OSU
ISU beats TCU
KSU beats Baylor

*Obviously won't happen (although one or two possible), but if that doomsday scenario played out, who gets in?

My guess would be:
Arizona
Bama (still makes it)

Then who? I doubt Oregon would get a pass seeing it would set up a possible 3rd matchup against Arizona, and GT and Mizzou didn't gather enough support until this week to crash the party IMO. KSU? MSU (either one)?

 

[Wild Bill]

I don't think it's awful. I think it's average. I think it's below that of the Pac-12/Big 12/SEC, but I think it's pretty on par with ACC teams or anyone else.

Should they win Saturday (please no), they'll have wins against Michigan State, Wisconsin and Minnesota. I'm not sure how that's much worse than Florida State from a simple schedule comparison (not resume, obviously the loss to Virginia Tech holds them back).

Maybe it's closer to average than awful. Still, I wouldn't make a case for ND if they were in the same situation - the worst schedule, the worst loss and the least impressive wins out of the top 6.

 

[gkIrish]

I want some serious, end of days chaos:

Mizzou beats Bama
GT beats FSU
Zona beats Oregon
Wisky beats OSU
ISU beats TCU
KSU beats Baylor

*Obviously won't happen (although one or two possible), but if that doomsday scenario played out, who gets in?

My guess would be:
Arizona
Bama (still makes it)

Then who? I doubt Oregon would get a pass seeing it would set up a possible 3rd matchup against Arizona, and GT and Mizzou didn't gather enough support until this week to crash the party IMO.

I think it would be Bama, Arizona, FSU, and Kansas St. (*edit)

 

[Wild Bill]

I want some serious, end of days chaos:

Mizzou beats Bama
GT beats FSU
Zona beats Oregon
Wisky beats OSU
ISU beats TCU
KSU beats Baylor

*Obviously won't happen (although one or two possible), but if that doomsday scenario played out, who gets in?

My guess would be:
Arizona
Bama (still makes it)

Then who? I doubt Oregon would get a pass seeing it would set up a possible 3rd matchup against Arizona, and GT and Mizzou didn't gather enough support until this week to crash the party IMO.

Arizona, k state, bama and Tech or Wiscy.

Ridiculous.

 

[koonja]

I want some serious, end of days chaos:

Mizzou beats Bama
GT beats FSU
Zona beats Oregon
Wisky beats OSU
ISU beats TCU
KSU beats Baylor

*Obviously won't happen (although one or two possible), but if that doomsday scenario played out, who gets in?

My guess would be:
Arizona
Bama (still makes it)

Then who? I doubt Oregon would get a pass seeing it would set up a possible 3rd matchup against Arizona, and GT and Mizzou didn't gather enough support until this week to crash the party IMO. KSU? MSU (either one)?

I think the committee would celebrate with a 3 day bender, then announce it has expanded to 8 teams and release their new top 8:

1) Bama
2) LSU
3) Mississippi St.
4) Auburn
5) Ole Miss
6) Florida
7) South Carolina
8) Georgia

Then they kick Missouri out of the SEC quietly and force them back in the Big 12 because Missouri is fucking their shit up.

 

[NDRock]

This reminds me of the Playoff Committee.

 

[pumpdog20]

The only true way to rank these teams is to get rid of pre-season rankings. And give a true rank after so many weeks into the season. I think the playoff would look much different at this point if this happened.

Maybe this would cut down on the SEC over ranking as well.

Isn't that what they're already doing?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Baylor absolutely deserves to be below TCU, IMO. TCU got hosed in their head-to-head game and scheduling cupcakes like Baylor should be discouraged. Yes, TCU is lucky Minnesota isn't a scrub, but it's the way the cookie crumbled.

Ohio State... who both sucks and hasn't played anyone and lost to freaking Virginia Tech... has no business being anywhere close to their current slotting relative to FSU.

Total Score: TCU: 58 BU: 61
First downs: TCU: 23 BU: 39
Total Yards: TCU: 485 BU: 782
Yards per pass: TCU: 7.2 BU: 9.3
Yards per carry: TCU 3.4 BU: 5.0
Turnovers: TCU: 1 BU: 3

If head to head games mean anything anymore, Baylor deserves to be in over TCU